Daniel Vavra (Kingdom Come Deliverance) cancels his visit to Gamelab; Spanish development conference

L Thammy · May 21, 2018

Elfotografoalocado said:
What I said. Care to add anything?

2112 said:
Hahaha what?

He's a Gamergater because he has slapped #gamergate on the ends of their tweets and spoken in support of them. He openly supports that group.

Gamergate was originally the Quinnspiracy, a movement which existed for the sole purpose of harassing a woman, Zoe Quinn. That's the purpose for which the group was created, and harassment of women continues to be its main purpose.

If you go to Gamergate's spaces, you see shit like this. If he has communicated with other Gamergaters at all, he would have bumped into things like this.

The group also has a significant openly Neo-Nazi component, and courted groups like /pol/:

saenima · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
No, I cannot, but let say, that insults which is extremely offensive in my (our) country. About being Nazi, even he has grandparents in Nazi camps. And really disgusting stuff like that, aside from some death treats, etc. But please, I need to keep those people in private, since, nothing of that materialise.

I would be willing to bet most of the Israelis that defend and even encourage the ongoing genocide of Palestinians had family members that suffered at the hands of the nazis. What happened to a group of people 70 years ago does not give another group of people in the present the right to be trash. I don't really give a shit that Vavrà had grandparents in nazi camps. In my opinion, it makes him look even worse. He's not only being a shitbag to living people by supporting the far right nonsense, he's disrespecting his grandparents on top of that.

megiddo · May 21, 2018

Please just post quotes from the guy denigrating other races or believing in the superiority of the Aryan race or other white supremacist bullshit. Don't post a big ol' image just because of a hashtag he used. If he is a racist and/or neo nazi then there has to exist a bevy of quotes and actions taken to deserve being called such. Please post them. My 3rd request.

L Thammy · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
Please just post quotes from the guy denigrating other races. Don't post a big ol' image just because of a hashtag he used. If he is a racist and/or neo nazi then there has to exist a bevy of quotes and actions taken to deserve being called such. Please post them. My 3rd request.

I'm saying that the hashtag he used is a hate group that he is actively supporting. This is not meaningless information even if you try to present it as such.

Razgreez · May 21, 2018

Riviakn said:
Yet I remember Resetera almost celebrating and supporting South Africa ANC's President when he said "We are not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now" refering to the mass slaughter of white farmers

TIL Julius Malema is the president of South Africa. I must be living in an alternate reality

2112 · May 21, 2018

Elfotografoalocado said:
What I said. Care to add anything?

"he's openly racist and sexist and supports harassment"

Gonna need some proof guy.

Weltall Zero · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
I guess you cannot see emails, private messages, calls....

I have absolutely zero doubt that if he had received threatening emails, messages or calls, he would have wasted no time to tell the world. So yeah, I'm going to make the bold choice of assuming the things he is vocally complaining about is pretty much everything there is for him to vocally complain about.

I also find it something pretty eloquent about this stance of assuming that he's the recipient of more harassment that he lets on, as opposed to what seems to be the standard internet assumption than women and people of color exaggerate or even fabricate the harassment they actually do report.

megiddo · May 21, 2018

L Thammy said:
I'm saying that the hashtag he used is a hate group that he is actively supporting. This is not meaningless information.

It's particularly meaningless if there is no substance of the guy himself actually doing anything terrible beyond the hashtag itself. I'm all for raking people over the coals for stupid shit they say and/or do. I'm not for raking people over the coals over the tangential use of a hashtag. #RationalThinkingOfJudgingPeopleByTheirWordsAndActions

L Thammy · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
It's particularly meaningless if there is no substance of the guy himself actually doing anything terrible beyond the hashtag itself. I'm all for raking people over the coals for stupid shit they say and/or do. I'm not for raking people over the coals over the tangential use of a hashtag.

It isn't tangential use when he's actively trying to promote and defend the hate group when he uses the hashtag.

It's also not tangential that he tries to sell their narratives.

The Vathlonian · May 21, 2018

Niceguydan8 said:
So is harassment one of those things that's only acceptable when it applies to somebody you don't like/agree with?

yes

BernardoOne · May 21, 2018

2112 said:
"he's openly racist and sexist and supports harassment"

Gonna need some proof guy.

What do you think promoting and endorsing gamergate is, exactly?
As well as supporting dumb alt right conspiracies like pizzagate?

Quad Lasers · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
It's particularly meaningless if there is no substance of the guy himself actually doing anything terrible beyond the hashtag itself. I'm all for raking people over the coals for stupid shit they say and/or do. I'm not for raking people over the coals over the tangential use of a hashtag. #RationalThinkingOfJudgingPeopleByTheirWordsAndActions

What a stupid fucking argument. He used that hashtag because he has values that aligned with it. Otherwise he wouldn't have used it.

OrdinaryPrime · May 21, 2018

2112 said:
"he's openly racist and sexist and supports harassment"

Gonna need some proof guy.

He has stated his support for GamerGate.

https://techraptor.net/content/interview-daniel-vavra

Anything else you need 'guy'?

L Thammy · May 21, 2018

If someone doesn't have the guts to use the N-word in public but attends the Klan rallies, are we to assume that they just hang around for the finger sandwiches? Aligning with a hate group is a statement in itself. It has meaning.

megiddo · May 21, 2018

Mecha Suplex said:
What a stupid fucking argument. He used that hashtag because he has values that aligned with it. Otherwise he wouldn't have used it.

No, what's a stupid fucking argument is not being able to surface even ONE racist or nazi-sympathizing quote and then calling the person a racist and/or nazi. Has Vavra said that women shouldn't be in the video game industry? Does Warhouse actively restrain women from working for them? These are things that could be used rationally to defame the guy.

nillansan · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
So like, can someone source me on some actual racist and/or nazi-esque shit this guy did? Usually in pitchfork threads there's all sorts of quotes and links flying around but I've read through 6 pages of this and got nothing.

We've covered this matter numerous times in previous threads, now where are the damn receipts for the death threats and cases of harassment that caused Vavra to cancel his visit?

Muffin · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
No, what's a stupid fucking argument is not being able to surface even ONE racist or nazi-sympathizing quote and then calling the person a racist and/or nazi. Has Vavra said that women shouldn't be in the video game industry? Does Warhouse actively restrain women from working for them? These are things that could be used rationally to defame the guy.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/2084087/

There you go

Likes and retweets a bunch of alt-right trolls

BernardoOne · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
No, what's a stupid fucking argument is not being able to surface even ONE racist or nazi-sympathizing quote and then calling the person a racist and/or nazi. Has Vavra said that women shouldn't be in the video game industry? Does Warhouse actively restrain women from working for them? These are things that could be used rationally to defame the guy.

? Promoting gamergate is literally a "sexist quote". It's literally about not letting women have their say in the videogame industry.

Netherscourge · May 21, 2018

L Thammy said:
It isn't tangential use when he's actively trying to promote and defend the hate group when he uses the hashtag.

It's also not tangential that he tries to sell their narratives.

^ This is why I will never support him by buying his games, like Kingdom Come: Deliverance, or anything else he's done.

You can't reward someone you hate with game sales to sustain their career in an industry you care a lot about, while said person attacks the industry with shitty and dehumanizing views at the same time. Don't buy this game. Don't support his projects. Call him out on his shitty views every chance you get.

Morrigan · May 21, 2018

Here he endorses a video by Stefan Molyneux that says the real problem with gun violence in America are, in fact, black people:

(For those wondering, Stefan Molyneux is this charming fellow here, an alt-right cult leader/MRA/racist/conspiracy theorist)

Weltall Zero · May 21, 2018

L Thammy said:
It isn't tangential use when he's actively trying to promote and defend the hate group when he uses the hashtag.

It's also not tangential that he tries to sell their narratives.

Wow, he even used the "males are also sexualized; checkmate feminists".

megiddo said:
No, what's a stupid fucking argument is not being able to surface even ONE racist or nazi-sympathizing quote and then calling the person a racist and/or nazi. Has Vavra said that women shouldn't be in the video game industry? Does Warhouse actively restrain women from working for them? These are things that could be used rationally to defame the guy.

You have been shown plenty proof of what he thinks about feminism and demands for more inclusiveness. You're free to move the goalposts all you want but please stop using "rational" as if that magically makes you the one in the right. It doesn't.

7threst · May 21, 2018

megiddo said:
No, what's a stupid fucking argument is not being able to surface even ONE racist or nazi-sympathizing quote and then calling the person a racist and/or nazi. Has Vavra said that women shouldn't be in the video game industry? Does Warhouse actively restrain women from working for them? These are things that could be used rationally to defame the guy.

You cannot be serious... or are you? He supports GG ffs, that in itself should be proof enough for abybody to rightfully accuse him of actively supporting a hate group, thus actively supporting their ideologies, including racism, sexism and nazism.

Why all the gymnastics to support this guy?

Carl2291 · May 21, 2018

Harassment or violence is never the answer. I also think it's wrong how "nazi" has been watered down to the point where it's being thrown around as a general insult at people who have questionable views. The Nazis were murderous monsters, responsible for the deaths of millions. It absolutely shouldn't be used on people who have relatives targeted, murdered, tortured, harmed or generally abused by the Nazis. People need to be careful with what they're saying to others.

That said, if you're on social media posting your questionable opinions for the world to see, you better be prepared to deal with both a) intellectual debate and b) idiots who will just insult you and your family. Especially if you're in a position where you're somewhat well known.

He should know better, and I find it hard to feel sorry for him.

Muffin · May 21, 2018

Carl2291 said:
I also think it's wrong how "nazi" has been watered down to the point where it's being thrown around as a general insult at people who have questionable views. The Nazis were murderous monsters, responsible for the deaths of millions. It absolutely shouldn't be used on people who have relatives targeted, murdered, tortured, harmed or generally abused by the Nazis. People need to be careful with what they're saying to others.

I'd refer you to the previous pages where this was discussed to death already. It's well earned.

Morrigan · May 21, 2018

Carl2291 said:
I also think it's wrong how "nazi" has been watered down to the point where it's being thrown around as a general insult at people who have questionable views. The Nazis were murderous monsters, responsible for the deaths of millions.

Do you think that there is no such thing as a neo-nazi, then?

gilko79 · May 21, 2018

Morrigan said:
Here he endorses a video by Stefan Molyneux that says the real problem with gun violence in America are, in fact, black people:

(For those wondering, Stefan Molyneux is this charming fellow here, an alt-right cult leader/MRA/racist/conspiracy theorist)

Ah, yes. Stefan Molyneux. The same guy giving terrible advice on Twitter.

L Thammy · May 21, 2018

One major difference between the original Nazis and Neo-Nazis is that the original Nazis had the opportunity to perform horrendous acts on the highest scale, the Neo-Nazis haven't had that chance even if they wanted to.

Another major difference between Nazis and Neo-Nazis is that the original Nazis didn't see exactly how far this movement would go before they took their side, while Neo-Nazis just have to open up a history book or watch countless movies on the subject.

Kappa · May 21, 2018

Morrigan said:
Here he endorses a video by Stefan Molyneux that says the real problem with gun violence in America are, in fact, black people:

(For those wondering, Stefan Molyneux is this charming fellow here, an alt-right cult leader/MRA/racist/conspiracy theorist)

Okay so, so far we have established that he is a racist, misogynistic shit head. But so far no records of his "harassment". Any snowflakes care to try show proof he isn't one and he truly is getting harassed?

Tranqueris · May 21, 2018

Let's be real, you could have Daniel Vavra post a video on his own Twitter account where he has a ton of white supremacist symbols in the background and spends an hour and a half talking about how much he hates women and non-white people and you'd still have people saying "It's obviously a joke guys, it's not his fault you don't get it." That or "random" posts talking about "I loved this game! Glad it sold so much!"

Weltall Zero · May 21, 2018

Morrigan said:
Here he endorses a video by Stefan Molyneux that says the real problem with gun violence in America are, in fact, black people:

(For those wondering, Stefan Molyneux is this charming fellow here, an alt-right cult leader/MRA/racist/conspiracy theorist)

"Hello, today I'm going to prove that the primary factor in gun homicides is race and not gun control. How I'm going to do this? By analyzing data from several cities in the US, and therefore the same value for the variable "gun control".".

Absolutely flawless statistical analysis methodology. I guess opponents of gun control don't have any other choice than pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist, but damn if it makes it any less surreal...

Chumley · May 21, 2018

Tranqueris said:
Let's be real, you could have Daniel Vavra post a video on his own Twitter account where he has a ton of white supremacist symbols in the background and spends an hour and a half talking about how much he hates women and non-white people and you'd still have people saying "It's obviously a joke guys, it's not his fault you don't get it." That or "random" posts talking about "I loved this game! Glad it sold so much!"

Yep.

Fuck his game, and fuck the people propping it up. So glad Giant Bomb never even said a word about it.

Moments Hunter · May 21, 2018

I am shocked that Mr. Vavra, one of the most vocal promoter of democracy and defender of free speech against any form of totality, is now offended by someone expressing his/her right to free speech.
End of sarcasm...

P.S. To the guy saying that Kingdom Come is important for the Czech Republic: As a Czech, I am saying: not it is not.

BernardoOne · May 21, 2018

Carl2291 said:
Harassment or violence is never the answer. I also think it's wrong how "nazi" has been watered down to the point where it's being thrown around as a general insult at people who have questionable views. The Nazis were murderous monsters, responsible for the deaths of millions. It absolutely shouldn't be used on people who have relatives targeted, murdered, tortured, harmed or generally abused by the Nazis. People need to be careful with what they're saying to others.

That said, if you're on social media posting your questionable opinions for the world to see, you better be prepared to deal with both a) intellectual debate and b) idiots who will just insult you and your family. Especially if you're in a position where you're somewhat well known.

He should know better, and I find it hard to feel sorry for him.

Nazis were Nazis before the genocide. Genocide is the conclusion of the ideology (as well of the conclusion of the alt right ideology), not a requirement for naming the fucking thing.

Carl2291 · May 21, 2018

Morrigan said:
Do you think that there is no such thing as a neo-nazi, then?

Of course. No denying that.

As an example, would you say that Daniel Vávra holds the same views to Richard Spencer and deserves to be labelled as such? I don't. While Vávra does hold some questionable opinions, he's in a completely different league to an actual neo-nazi.

Elfotografoalocado · May 21, 2018

2112 said:
"he's openly racist and sexist and supports harassment"

Gonna need some proof guy.

Others have been doing that the whole time, guy. Why is it that I keep seeing you defending racists with shit posts, guy?

L Thammy said:
It isn't tangential use when he's actively trying to promote and defend the hate group when he uses the hashtag.

It's also not tangential that he tries to sell their narratives.

OrdinaryPrime said:
He has stated his support for GamerGate.

https://techraptor.net/content/interview-daniel-vavra

Anything else you need 'guy'?

Muffin said:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/2084087/

There you go

Likes and retweets a bunch of alt-right trolls

Morrigan said:
Here he endorses a video by Stefan Molyneux that says the real problem with gun violence in America are, in fact, black people:

(For those wondering, Stefan Molyneux is this charming fellow here, an alt-right cult leader/MRA/racist/conspiracy theorist)

TyrantGuardian · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
Internet is fucking worst, I know the insults and some of them makes me even vomit. I know Dan and really no matter what he has done, he does not deserve this. Nobody deserve this. I don't care. If Daniel Vávra is off limits.

Ah yes, the poor white man who still actively supports a movement that has chased women out of their homes via death threats and worse is facing criticism on the vile, vile internet. BOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;________;

L Thammy · May 21, 2018

OrdinaryPrime said:
He has stated his support for GamerGate.

https://techraptor.net/content/interview-daniel-vavra

Anything else you need 'guy'?

Huh, so I was just looking through this, and this tidbit caught my eye.

Daniel Vavra said:
I was attacked on the Internet many, many times, because I often tend to say stuff people don't like, but I never ever had a need to whine about it in a magazine and play a victim. When stuff gets serious and somebody really is doing some ugly shit, the best thing you can do is call the police and not tweet about it.

I also noticed how the only person he calls out by name in this interview is Leigh Alexander... He also mentions Amy Hennig when he's trying to say that women don't face harassment in the industry, but while he's demonizing the games media throughout the interview, Alexander is the only person he targets.

Siresly · May 21, 2018

If you are supporting or did support Gamergate, you've forfeited your right to empathy for these kinds of situations.

Moments Hunter · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
Internet is fucking worst, I know the insults and some of them makes me even vomit. I know Dan and really no matter what he has done, he does not deserve this. Nobody deserve this. I don't care. If Daniel Vávra is off limits.

Maybe you should tell him to stop calling everyone disagreeing with him "western commies" and for once to say that he does not agree with nazi ideology.

Kainé · May 21, 2018

I guess this is right.

ShinySunny · May 21, 2018

Weird shirt.
"Men are Trash" generalizes the whole population.
Why not use "Some men are trash" tag instead?
They are disrespecting their father and grandfather that help raised them up.
Weird.

M1chl · May 21, 2018

Moments Hunter said:
Maybe you should tell him to stop calling everyone disagreeing with him "western commies" and for once to say that he does not agree with nazi ideology.

We were fucked by Nazis and Commies. Look at the map where Czech Republic is located.

saenima said:
I would be willing to bet most of the Israelis that defend and even encourage the ongoing genocide of Palestinians had family members that suffered at the hands of the nazis. What happened to a group of people 70 years ago does not give another group of people in the present the right to be trash. I don't really give a shit that Vavrà had grandparents in nazi camps. In my opinion, it makes him look even worse. He's not only being a shitbag to living people by supporting the far right nonsense, he's disrespecting his grandparents on top of that.

I am educated enough by this to comment on this, I am base my argument on talking to him, I am not on twitter, facebook or any other platform aside from ERA, which I really like. I have one of my my grandfather killed in WW2. So i would not tolerate any Nazi.

And yes I am not going to defended him, he is is quite eccentric person, but I believe he is not evil in any way. Based on my personal experience with him. People on internet acting dumb, which is not a apology for him, but is it how it is.

Nairume · May 21, 2018

You say he is not evil in any way, but he openly supports a hate organization.

M1chl · May 21, 2018

TyrantGuardian said:
Ah yes, the poor white man who still actively supports a movement that has chased women out of their homes via death threats and worse is facing criticism on the vile, vile internet. BOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;________;

Don't get me wrong, he can take it, but to think about others, I am not so sure. To me it was pretty vile shit, which I would rather not have got it in my inbox in my lifetime....just like it opened my eyes what people on internet can do.

Nairume said:
You say he is not evil in any way, but he openly supports a hate organization.

I get you, but I know him personally and even before this whole gamergate or how is that shit show called, I don't think that he is a evil person, far from that. He just let me down to even like care about this shit, this is not Czech-like thinking. I was disappointed to say at least....

yado · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
Don't get me wrong, he can take it, but to think about others, I am not so sure. To me it was pretty vile shit, which I would rather not have got it in my inbox in my lifetime....just like it opened my eyes what people on internet can do.

I get you, but I know him personally and even before this whole gamergate or how is that shit show called, I don't think that he is a evil person, far from that. He just let me down to even like care about this shit, this is not Czech-like thinking. I was disappointed to say at least....

You can just make it short and sweet and say that you don't care about his bigoted views because he's your friend.

Nairume · May 21, 2018

You keep saying you don't know him to be like that privately, but the public face he is still choosing to present is one that publicly backs some pretty awful people that are tied to some awful things.

How is that far from being evil in any way if he is willing to associate himself with those types?

M1chl · May 21, 2018

yado said:
You can just make it short and sweet and say that you don't care about his bigoted views because he's your friend.

Not really my friend, but I know him, I am far younger, so I keep my distance. I just saying that no matter what, anonymous people on internet is fucking worst. That was my point.

Nairume said:
You keep saying you don't know him to be like that privately, but the public face he is still choosing to present is one that publicly backs some pretty awful people that are tied to some awful things.

How is that far from being evil in any way if he is willing to associate himself with those types?

My "problem" is that I don't know him as a internet persona, just a as regular guy, which is quite a bit different how he act in person, I am just biased since I know him and I should probably remove myself from this discussion, because my point was, that anonymous people on the internet could be far worse and anyone with his name attach to him/her on the social network(s).

yado · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
Not really my friend, but I know him, I am far younger, so I keep my distance. I just saying that no matter what, anonymous people on internet is fucking worst. That was my point.

So you don't know him that well, there are pages and pages of proof of the kind of person he is but you don't think he's really like that because??

Alimnassor · May 21, 2018

It's shameful they even allow him to speak. No self respecting industry would allow Varva a voice. That said I doubt the validity of his claims.

TyrantGuardian · May 21, 2018

M1chl said:
Not really my friend, but I know him, I am far younger, so I keep my distance. I just saying that no matter what, anonymous people on internet is fucking worst. That was my point.

My "problem" is that I don't know him as a internet persona, just a as regular guy, which is quite a bit different how he act in person, I am just biased since I know him and I should probably remove myself from this discussion, because my point was, that anonymous people on the internet could be far worse and anyone with his name attach to him/her on the social network(s).

Did you know that nazis can be very friendly toward you as long as you are white? Crazy how that works! I couldn't care less about how he is in private. He could be the friendliest guy to ever exist. I don't give a shit. He's spreading hate and inciting real violence to real people via his so called "internet persona". He can fuck right off to hell.

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