Isn't that an Alt-Right meme lol? Deplatforming absolutely works.
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Daniel Vavra (Kingdom Come Deliverance) cancels his visit to Gamelab; Spanish development conference
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As always with threads like these, some people feel like it's more important to be pedantic than to condemn a person's actions that supports GG. I think words are important, but when your first comment on a thread is to defend someone as not being racist but not mention the misogyny, I just feel like it's obvious what you're going for.
Daniel doesn't deserve death threats, Daniel deserves continuous pushback so that he knows his views are myopic, sexist and wrong.
We don't know anything about why he's not attending because he hasn't said anything definitive.
Yeah that's not true.
Daniel doesn't deserve death threats, Daniel deserves continuous pushback so that he knows his views are myopic, sexist and wrong.
We don't know anything about why he's not attending because he hasn't said anything definitive.
Yeah that's not true.
You might want to tell the GGers that then, as they were the ones trying to silence minorities first. Them getting louder back is just a natural reaction then, right?
Omg dude, I laughed so hard on this one.
Speaking about topic itself, I feel like smth was probably lost in translations. I believe no matter how you feel about mr. Varva harassment shouldn't be a thing no matter whom it is against
Of course he is, one look at his Twitter and what he likes and retweets would tell you as such. He's the usual alt-right troll.
And yeah, as others said, receipts for that harassment please, everytime I've seen him complain on Twitter was when he was called racist or a neonazi, the former being obvious, the latter being maybe a bit much but still very much not implausible given which people he normally talks about.
Is that why someone as horrible as Trump is President right now? Is that why us in the UK stupidly voted to leave the EU? It doesn't always work and sometime can make things worse.
Guys, stop acting like this dude is average Joe Smho that can be argued into thinking maybe the gays aren't causing hurricanes.
Wanting discourse aimed at Vavra is like suggesting the same for Alex Jones (coincidentally, Vavra frequently shares stuff from Infowars). Y'all are acting like all he's done is make a game about Europeans while he shares Pizzagate conspiracy theories and makes religion of peace jokes at Muslims.
Wanting discourse aimed at Vavra is like suggesting the same for Alex Jones (coincidentally, Vavra frequently shares stuff from Infowars). Y'all are acting like all he's done is make a game about Europeans while he shares Pizzagate conspiracy theories and makes religion of peace jokes at Muslims.
Go right ahead, try to educate the racists then, do it. Report back.
I don't think you know what deplatforming is, since what you're mentioning has nothing to do with it. Trump was allowed to speak all the time with free media attention.
Care to show me proof? Because so far the only proof recently is Milo, which has worked wonders!
User Banned (1 Week): Defending and downplaying the origins and impact of a hate movement
Ehh, I don't know about that. Wasn't TotalBiscuit a supporter of it at first until the mysogynistic comments came? At first, it was about ethics.
I think we all need to face facts and realize the gays are causing natural disasters, and finally put them on blast for it
Nah it has nothing to do with douchelord cancelling his presence at Gamelab. Unless you have receipts for that. Which you don't.
No, it was about a guy who got dumped and couldn't deal with it.
Trump was the opposite of deplatformed. The media gave him millions in free commercials by broadcasting him constantly. If they had ignored him, he wouldn't be President right now.
Lololol, you have to go through some mighty mental gymnastics to read my post and then answer like you did. Bravo!
Calling someone a racist or criticizing the racist things they do/say is not harassment and as such he is not a victim. He keeps crying about SJWs criticizing him instead of acknowledging that maybe he has done/said some problematic things. He keeps blaming SJWs for criticism as some kind of affront to his existence and human rights, which is exactly the kind of rhetoric bigots and white supremacists use.
Like, personally I don't have too much of an issue with Kingdom Come's lack of POC, what I take more issues with is how this person responded to the criticism. Instead of being all "I hear your criticism and acknowledge representation is important and support people's attempts to bring more representation into gaming but we just didn't think POC were such big part of the history of this region that we'd include them in the game" he went full "SJWs are trying to ruin our artistic endeavour and push their evil agendas into our game!"
It is common knowledge that Freddy Mercury was causing earthquakes at Queen concerts. That's how "We Will Rock You" came to be, after all.
It literally started because an asshole saw his ex girlfriend dating a kotaku employee and said she was doing for her game to be better reviewed.
The employee in question never wrote a single word about her game. It was just because the asshole wanted his ex harassed
I know exactly what deplatforming is. And I wasn't saying that Trump was the one being deplatformed, more-so the people that voted for him were deplatformed and so regained their voice even stronger when they had someone powerful to help spread their message.
It wasn't though. It was a harassment campaign through and through, embarrassing that we still have people like you attempting to downplay it.
Not sure either Trump or figures like Farage in the UK were deplatformed in any way during the approach to these votes. Both received inordinate screen time and blanket media coverage.
Except they literally had outside help, combined with young liberals not voting. Nothing to do with deplatforming.
You keep saying the current usage of Nazi is imperfect, but handwave people using it anyway. I feel that this is an oversight on your and others' parts, so let's review history...
Nazis murdered somewhere around 6 million Jews and wrongfully imprisoned many more. These people were dehumanized, stripped from their homes, their families, and all of their worldly possessions, and sent to live like animals in horrifying conditions until they were executed.
Additionally, Nazis were direct and indirect causes of the deaths of anywhere from 50 to 80 million people, with civilian casualties ranging from 30 to 50 million. Their war effort destroyed countless families and forever changed the landscape of Europe, while also accelerating the military ideologies of the rest of the planet in the worst way possible.
I'm sure these statistics are familiar and I'm sure they have been repeated in a situation similar to this, but surely there is a discernable difference between mass murderering people who tried to take over the world and racist idiots on Twitter, and there has to be more accurate name-calling to be done that doesn't diminish the horrifying impact that actual Nazis inflicted on our planet. And certainly there must be something better to call a person of Jewish decent, regardless of how reprehensible their actions or thoughts may be, than a Nazi - especially considering what was done and attempted to be done to their people.
Beyond all that, if he's a hateful piece of shit, venues have every right to not welcome him and people have every right to protest where he goes or not attend or whatever. I'm not keen on the online harassment though and especially not on calling him a Nazi. There are ways of getting him to stay home, and lowering to a shitty level doesn't have to be one of them.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything though. Certainly voting and deplatforming aren't really related and I'm not sure why you're trying to make them so. There are only certain ways one can be prevented from voting in the US and boycotting them is not one of them.
No, just someone reading this thread.
Also for fucks sake, please learn how to use irony correctly. Just one of the many annoyences of this generation in general.
Edit: I also don't know who you are either.
Totalbiscuit was one of the people making mysogynistic comments.
"Actually it's about ethics" is beyond parody in 2018.
No, it all started because a man was upset about a woman he had a thing with that ended on her terms and then fabricated a story about her that blew up and fanned the flames of rage of the misogynistic black holes of the interwebz. They tried to give the outward impression of it being about ethics in vidya game journalism but the targets were all progressive outlets/people who championed for more representation and less bigotry. Because of course everyone who wants more representation and less ignorance and bigotry in gaming is corrupt and doing it at the expense of white men.
Were they though ? I'm seeing events from Europe so I may be misinformed but Fox News seems to be a thing since a long time.
As for Vavra, of course harassment is condemnable but let's not be fooled : it's easy to claim to be harassed when being called out. Vavra often makes joke about muslims, shares alt-right conspiracy stuff, is a known gamergater. If he's afraid to be called a racist that's one thing but it's not harassment per se.
Of course he could be genuinely harassed and I'm not downplaying it if that's the case, I'm just skeptical about this and very cautious with alt-right people.
And about the jewish heritage : I'm jewish myself and even if calling another jewish person nazi is despicable for many reasons, far-right jewish people exist, we're not a monolithic people with the same point of views. A jewish heritage is not exactly the same as being jewish too, it does not shield you from criticism or being antisemitic (though I don't know about Vavra's antisemitic views, only islamophobic ones).
The whole "ethics" was always a façade.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014...pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/
Not everyone uses twitter tho. For better context, i think some people would like to see these insults linked to the event.
why are people saying he faced death threats?
he himself said he was merely insulted, and the screens that have been posted were merely insults, not threats, as far as my limited spanish can tell
he himself said he was merely insulted, and the screens that have been posted were merely insults, not threats, as far as my limited spanish can tell
Yeah murder and arson are awesome huh?
I think it's pretty obvious why.
Spaniard here!
So, GameLab didn't say they canceled the event because of "harrasment": They just say he received insults.
About Vavra's political affiliation, I can guarantee Spain is not a "dangerous place" for right-winged people (it's the other way around, actually). I can understand he got offended because he thinks he can't be a nazi because of his family's past history, regardless of what he says and defends... But that doesn't mean he got harrased.
Besides, If he in fact got harrassed, It's really hard to feel sorry for him, for what a lot of other users in this thread had pointed at already.
So, GameLab didn't say they canceled the event because of "harrasment": They just say he received insults.
About Vavra's political affiliation, I can guarantee Spain is not a "dangerous place" for right-winged people (it's the other way around, actually). I can understand he got offended because he thinks he can't be a nazi because of his family's past history, regardless of what he says and defends... But that doesn't mean he got harrased.
Besides, If he in fact got harrassed, It's really hard to feel sorry for him, for what a lot of other users in this thread had pointed at already.
You say this but in reality they actually end up shutting the fuck up. Just like Vavra did now. Good riddance.
This line of thinking is absolute bullshit and needs to stop.
I feel like you can definitely come up with a million other examples where it doesn't work and/or has an opposing effect.
Should be easy then. Go ahead!
Believing that certain people don't deserve to exist is the absolute bullshit thing.