This thread has provided me with a good list of people to use the ignore function on.
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Daniel Vavra (Kingdom Come Deliverance) cancels his visit to Gamelab; Spanish development conference
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He's mentioned receiving them a few times, but tries to make light of it.
https://twitter.com/danielvavra/status/516233923475808257
The fact he's unexpectedly cancelled a talk suggests something far more serious than him just being offended IMO, at least based on his past ways of dealing with harassment (and yes, he definitely has been harassed in the past)
"Trying to educate him" would do absolutely nothing, cause that would imply he'd want to listen.
I suppose the cynic in me knowing people of that persuasion who are generally very comfortable around aggressive confrontation would question if this is opportunist to make his detractors look bad as seems to be common practice from those types... but I'd rather take it at face value and give him the benefit of the doubt that he did receive some nasty messages and that he is feeling offended and threatened from those and in which case they should be condemned as nobody regardless of past actions should have to deal with harassment.
I mean that for some reason you've made your text grey.
https://i.imgur.com/8Gj8rLe.png
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Duly noted. Nobody has the capacity to change, so we should never try to move forward with our views and attempt to inform others.
It is really surprising that people whose land gets invaded are not welcoming the invaders with rainbows and flowers. If you played the game you would know it is not nearly as black and white as the article paints it. Issue of refugees is handled very well in the game, for example.
That is strange. I see it as white?
Because he was/is the main guy behind the game and one of the Warhorse Studios founders?
Ok lol
That's from three and a half years ago. What does it have to do with this?
And his cancellation suggests nothing of the sort. You're making assumptions with no basis whatsoever.
These kind of people have one trail of thought and they won't steer from it. Surely, you can try and maybe you'll succeed, but they'll likely ignore you.
Sorry, I didn't realise there's a statute of limitation when it comes to receiving death threats.
If he's gonna snowflake about being called racist, sexist, nazi and such, the easy way to not be called such is TO NOT SAY/DO RACIST/SEXIST THINGS AND TO NOT SUPPORT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. It's literally that easy. And if you do find yourself in the midst of racism accusation controversy for truly accidentally/ignorantly saying something racist or supporting a white supremacy group you didn't know is such, then own up to it, maybe apologize and learn from your mistakes instead of whining about SJWs and feminazis trampling on your Freedum of Spiich and artistic integrit because they criticize your work.
There isn't. Still has nothing to do with this. Don't be disingenuous.
Yeah, and the point I'm making is that at least trying is probably better than just throwing insults on the Internet or whatever, because you never know, right?
Ehh, expand on what type of gamergater he was. I used to be part of Gamergate because of the whole ethics in journalism thing (I NEVER condoned the death threats or harassment though and always worked to stop others from trying it), yet I left due to the continued and increasing harassment and mistreatment of people from the alt-right and incels within it.
Was he one that harassed women and others, or was he simply trying to fix the problems with gaming journalism?
Then again, I'm confused as to why this movement is still a thing. I haven't heard of it in years until ResetEra posters brought it up. If anyone can expand on what GamerGate means nowadays, I'd be thankful.
Well, I don't condone harassment but I'm not surprised people are still pissed at him after that weak non apology.
Dude promoted some pretty shitty hateful beliefs on social media, I wouldn't want someone like him speaking at a conference either so good on him for dropping out.
Dude promoted some pretty shitty hateful beliefs on social media, I wouldn't want someone like him speaking at a conference either so good on him for dropping out.
Give it a go then and then be sure to report back. Also how many racists have you managed to successfully educate in the past?
Sort of sounds like your saying he brought it on himself by doing something...
Sounds like victim blaming
It's not the victims job to think of the people that ruined their lives as deserving of that. This isn't like someone stole a grand from them and could return it.
This guy also actively doesnt want to change. You don't seem to understand that most gamergators like being gamergators. People like this dont deserve the expectation that they're all just naive and willing to change.
And really, no, there aren't better ways. You know how women have survived the past 4 years? Blocking, and blocking, and blocking, hoping it stops. But it never does. The law can't do anything. The only thing you can do is actively shun and stop any GGer from ever getting to a position like this, because he just enables more. The studio? Sure, there's probably a handful of decent people in there. But this specific person needs to have no platform to talk, and giving him one when he supported a movement that stopped dozens, hundreds of women from getting to where he is because of harassment is a spit in the face of those hurt by GG.
The right response to allegations like this isn't to mindlessly side with the person who has outwardly supported gamergate.
Gamergate was never about ethics in game journalism. It was a misogynistic, racist and all around bigoted harassment movement from day 1.
Who are you? Are you his alt account or something?
A lot of people here are all about being progressive and liberal but as soon as it's about someone they don't like then apparently anything goes.
Calling people snowflakes for getting upset about something regarding videogames - not allowed and would spark outrage.
Calling someone a snowflake for acting appropriately when they receive threats - absolutely fine.
Snowflakes indeed.
User Banned (3 Days): Dredging up off-site drama and inflammatory generalizations about the community
That place was built by harassment, by its owner, staff and the mob mentality that came here. No wonder. Harassment is only good if it's not against you.
Thanks for linking me that article, I guess that's one way to interpret the events in the game. Although it takes some mental gymnastics. It's strange that the author can't seem to grasp the concept of a foreign invading army instilling fear and xenophobia in the local populace. Istvan and Erik are actually really well developed in the game and there is one more gay character in the game that the author conveniently seems to ignore. Seriously, go give the game a try and try to form your own opinion instead of citing hot takes like this.
Yeah because this guy isn't aware of opposing views. If he wants to change it's up to him, no one has a responsibility to teach him anything.
Clearly it took a public spot of praise away from him, which is good.
Making people ashamed of their hate is a great way to stop it
-receipts please.
We only know of "insults". Cancelling an event due to insults is what he and the alt-right would call snowflaky.
User Banned (Permanent): Intentionally trolling and generalizing an entire community despite having been banned for the exact same ban behavior.
You best just report me then, so you can get back to just sitting agreeing with each other safe from anyone with an outside opinion.
Milo is gay and jew and that never once stopped the fucker from being homophobic and anti-semitic.
So far it doesn't seem he was subject to harassment of any kind. Seems to be the dude is very offended at being called exactly what he is.
This. This is also the man that stated you get blocked/banned on this website for liking his game.
Yeah, you do realize that harassing him and calling him names isn't going to make him more ashamed of the things he has said/supported right? If anything he'll probably feel like it validates his views.
You literally asked where the death threats Daniel received are. I linked you to his statement, but apparently that doesn't count because it was a few years ago.
Past harassment, regardless of when it was received, is very much relevant to this thread.
You can hate yourself. Jontron is Persian, Kanye West is black. Milo is gay. Doesn't stop them.
Has Milo created anything worthwhile that celebrates the diversity of a people often overlooked in games media? No.
Not sure why this is your line of reasoning for classifying something as diverse or not to be honest. Kingdom Come: Deliverance is a huge deal for the Czech Republic and I can only encourage more products coming from people that are underrepresented in video gaming, e.g. Beautiful Desolation (South Africa) or 1979 Revolution (Iran), which is what true diversity entails.
A couple of things:
- In the OP tweet thread the only "harassment" mentioned, alledged, is the campaign a twitter user did against Vavra and the lack of female reprentatives on Gameslab.
- The only people offended there are "gators"
If you want to compare the harassment Anita suffered, with constant DM, hordes of new users that all they did was constantly threating her and her family, posted their adress, etc... with someone doing a public campaign against Vavra's speech on a conference....well...
That's just some quotes of a very well argumented article and is not an isolate intepretation from what I saw. And I rather not give money to this guy to see if they are wrong (unlikely given the guys tweets throught the years).
- In the OP tweet thread the only "harassment" mentioned, alledged, is the campaign a twitter user did against Vavra and the lack of female reprentatives on Gameslab.
- The only people offended there are "gators"
If you want to compare the harassment Anita suffered, with constant DM, hordes of new users that all they did was constantly threating her and her family, posted their adress, etc... with someone doing a public campaign against Vavra's speech on a conference....well...
That's just some quotes of a very well argumented article and is not an isolate intepretation from what I saw. And I rather not give money to this guy to see if they are wrong (unlikely given the guys tweets throught the years).
You can't change everybody. In fact, realistically, there are an exceptionally small few that would ever change. Hate isn't a natural belief. It's learned, and bigots like it. I dont want them to change. I want them silenced and unable to enable more to be even worse.
The more you try and forcibly silence people, the louder they get.