Didn't they ban the incel board? Or is reddit just turning the other cheek?
Fuck reddit and their fucking rules.
A hate group, not a movement.Huh, so like a movement for men who are angsty because they can't get a girl?
Not really. PUAs preach that with proper "game" any man can pull women. Incels teach the opposite, that if you are sub-8, there's no point in trying at all.It's less "failed PUAs becoming incels" but rather "incels being drawn to PUA boards/sites, looking to solve their problems". It helps that the misogynist preachings are fundamentally the same.
Reddit banned the original. They just migrated to that sub, which has slightly stricter moderation to prevent the admins from stepping in again.Didn't they ban the incel board? Or is reddit just turning the other cheek?
Fuck reddit and their fucking rules.
Didn't they ban the incel board? Or is reddit just turning the other cheek?
Fuck reddit and their fucking rules.
Holy hell that's insane.They've turned Elliot Rodgers into a verb. Going ER means to go on a killing spree focused on women.
No. That's putting it far too mildly, to say the least. Incels are hateful, delusional misogynists who think they are entitled to (young, attractive) women's bodies.Huh, so like a movement for men who are angsty because they can't get a girl?
The official Incels board was shut down last November. They have since scattered to several other boards. Reddit has some of the best and worst the internet has to offer.
What's so funny? I've seen the ugliest people have friends and romantic partners. They might not be thought of as attractive in the traditional sense but they are attractive enough to have friends, romantic partners and live a fulfilling life. It really isn't that hard. All that's required is to not be a dick.
They banned the incel subreddit for threatening violence against a man, not because of their views. Because women reporting their subreddit fell on deaf ears for years before that.Didn't they ban the incel board? Or is reddit just turning the other cheek?
Fuck reddit and their fucking rules.
I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but don't say that. Incels are not victims of anything except maybe of their own hateful delusions.
Sure, open-mindedness and humility are good traits. But they are far from being "all it takes" to be attractive. I assure you, those ugly people you mention had more to offer than that.What's so funny? I've seen the ugliest people have friends and romantic partners. They might not be thought of as attractive in the tradition sense but you are going to be attractive enough to have friends and romantic partners.
Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't mean physically attractive. An ugly person is an ugly person. But even an ugly person isn't doomed to a lonely life as long as they have those qualities. They will find companionship no matter what. Willingness to change will refine their personality enough to make them attractive.Sure, open-mindedness and humility are good traits. But they are far from being the "all it takes" to be attractive. I assure you, those ugly people you mention had more to offer than that.
Involuntary Celibates. A hate group of mainly men who blame women, feminism, greater society, etc. for being romantically/sexually unsuccessful. Their communities are usually misogynistic pitty parties where they trade dreams and desires for laws that rob women of their sexual autonomy and worlds where women are commodities to be used by them specifically. And as has been mentioned, often praise and revere acts of violence against women and claim it as an inevitable consequence of women having agency in their choice of partners.
I don't mean that they're worthy of sympathy or anything, incels are absolutely disgusting... And I should add that to my previous post before I draw any ire...I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but don't say that. Incels are not victims of anything except maybe of their own hateful delusions.
Sure, there are some differences, with some PUAs also focussing on self-improvement and positivity as part of their "game" but their views on women are largely the same. I'm still confident in claiming that a large number of incels is also drawn to PUA boards by the promises of quick and certain ways to attract women.Not really. PUAs preach that with proper "game" any man can pull women. Incels teach the opposite, that if you are sub-8, there's no point in trying at all.
I can't agree. There's plenty that can stand in the way of open-minded, humble people. "Not being a dick" is not a guarantor of success. A lack of charisma, paired with ugliness, makes relationships an uphill battle.Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't mean physically attractive. An ugly person is an ugly person. But even an ugly person isn't doomed to a lonely life as long as they have those qualities. They will find companionship no matter what.
I guess my point is semantic. Usually, by the time someone identifies as incel, they've given up on attracting women at all. I've even seen some incel vitriol towards PUAs as they perceive them to be in denial of their station in life. The most popular advice I've seen on incel forums is an acronym: LDAR. It stands for Lie Down And Rot.Sure, there are some differences, with some PUAs also focussing on self-improvement and positivity as part of their "game" but their views on women are largely the same. I'm still confident in claiming that a large number of incels is also drawn to PUA boards by the promises of quick and certain ways to attract women.
Wow. Insulting an entire forum just because you are the one who hasn't been keeping up with the news. What an awful post.what the fuck is a incel? you damn people talk like you go out once in a while and iteract without reddit/4chan/neogaf folk, please.
Incel is such a misnomer. There's nothing involuntary about what they are or how they act. If you're being an awful person with such toxic views on "how things should work", who's fault is it that nobody wants anything to do with you, really?
They're pathetic people who refuse to look at themselves and try to grow and improve, and instead blames others for their own shortcomings.
"Involuntarily" my ass, you just suck.
It'll certainly be an uphill battle, but my point is that they will find someone eventually. They might not find the most attractive person, but it will be a fulfilling relationship. Also, if a person is hard working and successful, that adds some in their favor as well.I can't agree. There's plenty that can stand in the way of open-minded, humble people. "Not being a dick" is not a guarantor of success. A lack of charisma, paired with ugliness, makes relationships an uphill battle.
Yeah, I think the importance of intimate relationships is kinda downplayed in threads like these.Well missing out on a huge aspect of life is pretty miserable.
This is why I'm over "waiting for the next star to be outed". We need to stop being shocked that we teach our young boys this shit, and then they grow up to think that it is okay.Violence agaisnt woman is nothing new and that's the one hang up I have with this incel thing. It's that western extreme and it's so out there for most people. I feel like all they will do is attack that sole extreme rather than address the root of the issue, toxic masculinity.
"Eventually" is such a pointless and vague concept here.It'll certainly be an uphill battle, but my point is that they will find someone eventually. They might not find the most attractive person, but it will be a fulfilling relationship.
Sex and romance is only a "huge aspect of life" if you deem it so. I spent 20+ years of my life as a virgin with zero romantic relationships despite trying. Of course I was lonely but it wasn't something that ate away at me. It wasn't something I let define me. And it certainly wasn't something that pushed me to violent thoughts/action & blaming women and other men for creating a conspiracy against me. The issue here is incels are tying their humanity to whether or not they're sexually/romantically successful and easily destroy their empathy and humanity since they believe being in a relationship is the only true way to live.Well missing out on a huge aspect of life is pretty miserable.
The name itself... it doesn't make sense. Involuntary celibates?
That just means no one wants to fuck you.
Doesn't that kinda indicate the issue is YOU?
That's not the point. The point is that it's not women's fault, and believing that it could be stems from staggering entitlement.Well missing out on a huge aspect of life is pretty miserable.
That isn't a guarantee. Life isn't fair. You can be a perfectly good person and still end up alone.It'll certainly be an uphill battle, but my point is that they will find someone eventually. They might not find the most attractive person, but it will be a fulfilling relationship.
I'd agree. Sadly, many of them suffer from depression - which can make it extremely difficult to differentiate between boundless self-loathing and earnest self-criticism.Don't know if it would help at all but maybe the value of earnest self criticism isn't openly advocated enough.
First of all, I don't believe there is an ugly person out there that would take 50 years to find a partner. I use the word eventually because this is a hypothetical and there's no definite time period. If a person is putting themselves out there, talking to others, making friends, working on themselves, and is kind hearted, it shouldn't take long for them to find someone."Eventually" is such a pointless and vague concept here.
"Eventually" could mean soon or 50 years from now. That's hardly reassuring.
We'll simply have to agree to disagree on that point. If a good person ends up alone, it will be through isolation or the death of loved ones. Still, I have a hard time believing that a truly kind hearted person isn't valued in society, no matter their appearance.That isn't a guarantee. Life isn't fair. You can be a perfectly good person and still end up alone.
That isn't a guarantee. Life isn't fair. You can be a perfectly good person and still end up alone.
No. Not "only".
It's the truth and it's your negative defeatist attitude stopping you. Get rid of that and your prospects will go up considerably.
Life has no guarantees.
It's not truth. It's the Just World fallacy (i.e. if you're a nice person and try hard enough, you'll succeed). It presupposes the world operates on any kind of fairness. It's the relationship equivalent of the bootstraps argument.It's the truth and it's your negative defeatist attitude stopping you. Get rid of that and your prospects will go up considerably.
But OP is calling for FBI to do something. Even if you shut down their websites, they'll find another home. What are they supposed to do about toxic masculinity?Please, let's not start this "it's just the internet" bullshit.
This is the era of #MeToo. We've had dozens of sex and gender-based school shootings. A literal Incel just killed a bunch of people in Toronto.
You want to be mad at something? Be mad at the manchildren that hide their hate behind terms like Incel.
Toxic masculinity is a fucking epidemic.
And also seems to ignore that if people constantly receive negative reinforcemen, well it shouldn't be surprising that they have a negative viewpoint on things.It's not truth. It's the Just World fallacy (i.e. if you're a nice person and try hard enough, you'll succeed). It presupposes the world operates on any kind of fairness. It's the relationship equivalent of the bootstraps argument.
That is considerably different from "just be open-minded and humble".First of all, I don't believe there is an ugly person out there that would take 50 years to find a partner. I use the word eventually because this is a hypothetical and there's no definite time period. If a person is putting themselves out there, talking to others, making friends, working on themselves, and is kind hearted, it shouldn't take long for them to find someone
They're probably too busy monitoring black people who demand civil rights, and movie piracy.fucking seriously? why are the feds not coming down hard and shutting that shit down. jesus christ.
You've got a point. It's pretty common to hear them clamor that personality doesn't matter at all, when that is obviously false. But...
Sure, open-mindedness and humility are good traits. But they are far from being "all it takes" to be attractive. I assure you, those ugly people you mention had more to offer than that.
Yeah, I think the importance of intimate relationships is kinda downplayed in threads like these.
That isn't a guarantee. Life isn't fair. You can be a perfectly good person and still end up alone.
I'd agree. Sadly, many of them suffer from depression - which can make it extremely difficult to differentiate between boundless self-loathing and earnest self-criticism.
Sex and romance is only a "huge aspect of life" if you deem it so. I spent 20+ years of my life as a virgin with zero romantic relationships despite trying. Of course I was lonely but it wasn't something that ate away at me. It wasn't something I let define me. And it certainly wasn't something that pushed me to violent thoughts/action & blaming women and other men for creating a conspiracy against me. The issue here is incels are tying their humanity to whether or not they're sexually/romantically successful and easily destroy their empathy and humanity since they believe being in a relationship is the only true way to live.
Yeah, why do you ask?