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George Takei accused of sexual assault in 1981
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how so? I admittedly don't pay much attention to Takei, but is there something that I don't know about him?
I can't possibly imagine it. Colbert of all people...
Yeah I think that would be even bigger than Tom Hanks.
If only one person is drunk, at that point it falls to the non-drunk one to be responsible and say "no, you are drunk, we aren't doing this now."
Exactly. Don't take advantage of drunk people.
This one stings, but fuck it, cleanse this whole industry, even if it's people that I like.
Goddamn I feel like it's safest to assume any public figure has done something terrible at this point :/
If it comes out that Patrick Steward or Lavar Burton have done shit like this I guess I'll just have to give up any hope
I feel like we're starting to hear every literal story that could possibly be considered harassment... sometimes it's iust two adults who know each other and people can be annoyingly pushy when they feel sexual. At this rate I could be called a harasser and call others I've dated or been with predators. The net being cast here is getting wider and wider.
Yes and no. While harrasment does obviously happen everywhere people will not reallly put up with this kind of shit for a 50k/year office job. The level of money and power is literally off the charts in Hollywood. A break in Hollywood can literally be worth millions. The threat of blacklisting by directors is very real vs. your manager at Applebee's playing grab ass saying you'll never work in this town again.
I feel like the culture of most professional offices shifted drastically since I entered the workforce a few decades ago. Harrasment is taken seriously and you will get fired for it now. Again it still happens, but I don't feel like there are these "open secrets" and coverups going on in the rest of society. At least not to this level.
He appeared on Howard Stern a few weeks ago, and ironically the topic of discussion was Harvey Weinstein's scandal. Howard brought up how uncomfortable he could make everyone with his sexual forwardness, and I remember it got awkward when he actually admitted to being too aggressive with people at times. Between him and Louis CK, Monday's show will be interesting.
Groping and attempting to strip someone who is passed out is a pretty straightforward case of sexual assault. And that's before acknowledging the possibilities that Takei roofied the guy and/or would have raped him if the guy hadn't woken up.
And people don't want to touch this, hell we already had one person in here claim it is a conservative conspiracy
It's an improvement over the timeline in which women and men felt scared to say anything. If we have to lose a few artists to gain a new sense of empowerment, so be it.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear about any famous man being involved in some harassment or twisted sexual shit, well except maybe Obama.
For real though its about fucking time these men in power are being called out and I hope it continues to happen. The victims need to know they can speak up without fear of retaliation.
For real though its about fucking time these men in power are being called out and I hope it continues to happen. The victims need to know they can speak up without fear of retaliation.
Losing artists to the pit of deplorables I don't care about. It's that it's so wide spread and even the seemingly really good people in the world committed such acts. I'm glad sunlight is finally hitting these dark corners.
EDIT: I regret posting this, sorry. Really should have found time to read more first.
I am just muddy on the details when a miscalculated sexual interaction is assault or not.
If any miscalculation is assault, then I have assaulted, and been assaulted.
I am just muddy on the details when a miscalculated sexual interaction is assault or not.
If any miscalculation is assault, then I have assaulted, and been assaulted.
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Groping someone without their consent is assault. You shouldn't be grabbing people and hope for the best. There are ways you can tell someone you want to sexually interact without actually touching them. You can ask for permission of course but you can also use your body language to let someone know you want to be intimate. Doing either gives the person the opportunity to say no rather than be groped and then saying no after it has already happened.
I read the whole article. My bad, I didn't really properly absorb that part. I suppose that answers my question, though, thanks.
In other words, groping someone who has passed out, whether you know it for certain or not, or whether you're drunk or not, is definitely assault, correct? But are there degrees of criminality? If a case goes to court, does the alleged perpetrator's state of mind or condition matter? (I have read people discussing this topic, on the last couple of pages, though.)
Ok, cheers. I guess my question then rests upon the oft-cited "drunkenness" defense. Whether or not in Takei's case he was drunk, it doesn't matter at all, right?
If someone says no, then that's a no and anything beyond that can be considered sexual assault. If it's on a date, then there's maybe some room for misreading signals and getting a bit handsy isn't the end of the world _IF_ you stop immediately after the other person says no. If you keep insisting and the other person is clearly not responding to your advances and even says no, then you are in the wrong.
So yeah, I'd say you have wronged and been wronged, though of course not quite on the same level as these accusations against Takei.
Journalists usually check that these stories are plausible. Like with the Kevin Spacey thing with the 14 year old, they checked that the people, places, times, events and such were real, to minimize the possibility of just anyone making up some BS with no ounce of truth to it.
So no, not just anyone can accuse anyone. Not everyone IS accusing everyone. Stop with that nonsense right there.
Bruh Mark Wahlberg's skeletons came out a long time ago. As a teen he shouted slurs at black kids and attacked two Vietnamese men, beating them unconscious, and then later as an adult said that he'd been able to "forgive himself" in an interview, despite never actually apologizing to his victims. He's always been shit.
So to play the devil's advocate for a moment...
In this current climate what's stopping someone from making up a story about almost any celeb and have the masses shun them?
That's an incredibly scary thought.
You dont want to dismiss *any* story of anyone who comes forward; but should we really condemn at the drop of the hat?
Food for thought.
I have no answer.
In this current climate what's stopping someone from making up a story about almost any celeb and have the masses shun them?
That's an incredibly scary thought.
You dont want to dismiss *any* story of anyone who comes forward; but should we really condemn at the drop of the hat?
Food for thought.
I have no answer.
I guess you'd have to do the mental calculus on what said accuser would have to gain from a false accusation that would in all likelihood later be revealed as such. Doesn't sound like it would be worth taking the spotlight for a temporary turnaround in said celebrity's popularity, as the backlash against the accuser would be immense.
At the moment, I'm inclined to believe the accusations. In the long run, no one is going to be jailed without evidence and falsely accused people will most likely face no lasting effects.
There is no food for thought here if you understand how power dynamics work.
There's hours of audio of George groping men without "consent" on the Howard Stern Show that people can pull clips from. One happpened recently last month during Cocktober.
Man, George was one of the nicest, kindest celebrities I've ever met. He would've been one of the last people I ever expected to hear this about.
My hope lies with Keanu.
My hope lies with Keanu.
I find it good that victims get a chance now to shine a light on all these abusers in positions of power. Don't understand the people who don't want to believe the accusations and say "Not this innocent man! I saw him on TV when I was a kid, he couldn't have done this!".
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This is one I can give the benefit of the doubt. George may not have realized he passed out. I know that consent is not always verbally given. Before you guys grab your torches let me explain. The situation that your like sitting down and the girl/guy start to move down to give you a BJ. You don't always say yes you can blow me. I know I have just kinda leaned back put my head back and thought fuck yeah. You give the go ahead through your body language. It is possible George mistaken him passing out to the motion of leaning back, relaxing and going oh yeah. He seems to have acted completely appropriately once the guy said no. Situations like this with drinking and emotion the guy may have just got lighted headed and it was a case of mixed signals. Or of course he may have drugged him and tried to assault him, but for me the jury is still out.
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