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Blunoise

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,885
Atlanta, GA
I have a friend from France known her for about 3yrs dated for 1 year. She is now in a dilemma to get her green card and needs a sponsor her other friend dropped out and now asked me to be her sponsor! I am very hesitant on it even though she is my friend, would it be wrong if I deny it and maybe stopping her to stay here
 

julia crawford

Took the red AND the blue pills
Member
Oct 27, 2017
35,277
User warned: insutling poster
Wait you in France or US? And most importantly are you friendzoned
 

xxracerxx

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
31,222
I mean you don't have to do something that makes you uncomfortable. Why does this make you uneasy?
 

cervanky

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,296
Why not, what are the reasons not to? I don't understand. If she not trustworthy? If she a delinquent, do you think she'll commit a crime while there or something?
 

Wein Cruz

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,772
Doesn't this make you financially responsible for them? Because if so hell no don't do it.
 

Stinkles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,459
Why not? What are the reasons not to? I don't understand. If she not trustworthy?


You are financially responsible for them. And you are also vouching for their good character. And a friend isn't really an adequate sponsor for a green card so I assume there's some missing info here.
 

Knight613

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,768
San Francisco
I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that sponsoring someone meant you are kind of financially liable for them. Which is why most people only really sponsor close relatives.
 

Killthee

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,169
The Sponsor's Obligations
The Form I-864 Affidavit of Support is a legally enforceable contract, meaning that either the government or the sponsored immigrant can take the sponsor to court if the sponsor fails to provide adequate support to the immigrant. In fact, the law places more obligations on the sponsor than on the immigrant--the immigrant could decide to quit a job and sue the sponsor for support.

When the government sues the sponsor, it can collect enough money to reimburse any public agencies that have given public benefits to the immigrant. When the immigrant sues, he or she can collect enough money to bring his or her income up to 125% of the amount listed in the U.S. government's Poverty Guidelines (as shown in the chart in Form I-864P).

The sponsor's responsibility lasts until the immigrant becomes a U.S. citizen, has earned 40 work quarters credited toward Social Security (a work quarter is about three months, so this means about ten years of work), dies, or permanently leaves the United States. If the immigrant has already been living in the U.S. and earned work credits before applying for the green card, those count toward the 40.

In fact, in marriage-based cases, work done by the U.S. petitioning spouse during the marriage can be counted toward these 40 quarters.

Even a bankruptcy does not necessarily end your I-864 obligations. Although most debts and contractual obligations are dischargeable in bankruptcy, so-called "domestic support obligations" are one exception. Such obligations are defined as alimony, maintenance, or support owed to or recoverable by one's spouse, former spouse, or child. Under U.S. court decisions—for now—these also include I-864 support obligations.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/fiance-marriage-visa-book/chapter3-5.html
I wouldn't do it for someone who's just a friend.
 

Arkeband

Banned
Nov 8, 2017
7,663
Watch some 90 Day Fiancé on fast forward and figure out if you have a more stable relationship than them.

If you're not planning on getting married you should not sponsor a random person.
 

Stinkles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,459
If you are sponsoring someone for a family based green card (U.S. lawful permanent residence) you will, in most cases, need to fill out an Affidavit of Support for that person. This is ordinarily done on Form I-864, published by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).
FEATURED LISTI
You may also be asked to sign a Form I-864 for a friend or relative, as a joint sponsor, because the main sponsor does not earn enough to support the immigrant alone.

Let's take a look at the legal implications of the Form I-864 Affidavit of Support. Signing one is a serious endeavor that should not be done lightly or with anything less than full trust in the immigrant's intentions. You should also attempt to read all the instructions that come with the form.

If you are the main sponsor and you are lucky, you might not have to fill out the long version of the form. Some sponsors get to use a considerably simpler Form I-864EZ rather than the Form I-864. If you are sponsoring only one immigrant, all your income comes from earnings or a retirement plan are shown on a W-2, and your income alone is enough to satisfy the required Poverty Guidelines levels, be sure to use this easier form! (For information on how much income you will need to show, see How Much Income an Immigrant's Sponsor Needs to Show According to the Poverty Guidelines.)

The Sponsor's Obligations
The Form I-864 Affidavit of Support is a legally enforceable contract, meaning that either the government or the sponsored immigrant can take the sponsor to court if the sponsor fails to provide adequate support to the immigrant. In fact, the law places more obligations on the sponsor than on the immigrant--the immigrant could decide to quit a job and sue the sponsor for support.

When the government sues the sponsor, it can collect enough money to reimburse any public agencies that have given public benefits to the immigrant. When the immigrant sues, he or she can collect enough money to bring his or her income up to 125% of the amount listed in the U.S. government's Poverty Guidelines (as shown in the chart in Form I-864P).

The sponsor's responsibility lasts until the immigrant becomes a U.S. citizen, has earned 40 work quarters credited toward Social Security (a work quarter is about three months, so this means about ten years of work), dies, or permanently leaves the United States. If the immigrant has already been living in the U.S. and earned work credits before applying for the green card, those count toward the 40.

In fact, in marriage-based cases, work done by the U.S. petitioning spouse during the marriage can be counted toward these 40 quarters.

Even a bankruptcy does not necessarily end your I-864 obligations. Although most debts and contractual obligations are dischargeable in bankruptcy, so-called "domestic support obligations" are one exception. Such obligations are defined as alimony, maintenance, or support owed to or recoverable by one's spouse, former spouse, or child. Under U.S. court decisions—for now—these also include I-864 support obligations.

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CAUTION

A sponsor in a marriage-based case remains legally obligated even after a divorce. Yes, a divorced immigrant spouse could decide to sit on a couch all day and sue the former spouse for support. (See Does I-864 Really Force Me to Support Immigrant Ex-Spouse Who Has Plenty of Money or Can Work?) The sponsor may wish to have the immigrant sign a separate contract agreeing not to do this, but it is not clear whether courts would enforce such a contract.

Who Can Serve as an Immigrant's Financial Sponsor
The person petitioning the immigrant and any additional financial sponsor(s) must meet three requirements to serve in this role. Each sponsor must be:

  • a U.S. citizen, national, or permanent resident
  • at least 18 years of age, and
  • live in the United States or a U.S. territory or possession.
As a practical matter, of course, the sponsor will have to doing well financially to get the immigrant approved for a green card. Even if the sponsor's income and assets are lower than the Poverty Guidelines demand, however, he or she must sign an Affidavit of Support. But in a case of low income, the sponsor will have to look for additional sponsors to help the foreign-born person immigrate.

Alternatively, a sponsor might be able to bring his or her income up to the required level—rather than rely on a joint sponsor—by adding the would-be immigrant's income to his or her own. This is only possible, however, if the would-be immigrant's income will continue from the same source after he or she gets the green card.

Take particular note of the third requirement above if both the sponsor and the would-be immigrant are presently living overseas. The consulate will require that the sponsor show either that this is a temporary absence and that the sponsor has maintained ties to the U.S., or that he or she intends to reestablish domicile in the U.S. no later than the date that the immigrant is admitted as a permanent resident. Some of the ways the sponsor can show having maintained ties to the U.S. include having paid state or local taxes, kept U.S. bank accounts, kept a permanent U.S. mailing address, or voted in U.S. elections.

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CAUTION

Sponsors who try to run away from their obligations will face fines. The U.S. government has anticipated that some sponsors might try to escape their financial obligation by simply moving and leaving no forwarding address. That's why the law says that the sponsor must report a new address to USCIS on Form I-865 within 30 days of moving. A sponsor who does not comply faces fines of between $250 and $2,000; or $5,000 if the sponsor knows the immigrant has collected need-based public benefits.
 

Syriel

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
11,088
I have a friend from France known her for about 3yrs dated for 1 year. She is now in a dilemma to get her green card and needs a sponsor her other friend dropped out and now asked me to be her sponsor! I am very hesitant on it even though she is my friend, would it be wrong if I deny it and maybe stopping her to stay here

This basically makes you 100% responsible for their well being.

Edit: Stinkles with ALL the links. What he said.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,017
I have a friend from France known her for about 3yrs dated for 1 year. She is now in a dilemma to get her green card and needs a sponsor her other friend dropped out and now asked me to be her sponsor! I am very hesitant on it even though she is my friend, would it be wrong if I deny it and maybe stopping her to stay here
Be honest, you are hoping this brings you back together.

Zero chance I would do this.
 

Normal

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,296
Do it.
What is the worst case scenario? You being financially responsible for a person you know for less than 5 years? Psh doesn't seem so bad. Doooo it. :]
 

JaseC64

Enlightened
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,008
Strong Island NY
You are financially responsible for them. And you are also vouching for their good character. And a friend isn't really an adequate sponsor for a green card so I assume there's some missing info here.
I was going to post something like this.

Sponsor normally is for a family member or spouse or fiancee?...maybe. But a friend? I think Immigration or whatever might have an issue with this or make it really hard to do this. You may have to prove some hardship going on with your friend. If she has family that can she can rely on, that may be really hard.

Also I wouldn't do this for a "friend". I mean you will be responsible for this person if its OK'd by the government. Let say you kick her out or there is an issue between you two...she might be able to file a complaint against your or something. I don't know but it sounds way too risky.
 

Syriel

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
11,088
Also I wouldn't do this for a "friend". I mean you will be responsible for this person if its OK'd by the government. Let say you kick her out or there is an issue between you two...she might be able to file a complaint against your or something. I don't know but it sounds way too risky.

There is no "might" about it. She could. And he would be responsible for supporting her.
 

TheBeardedOne

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
22,189
Derry
Be careful

I've become friends with someone I recently met. He's dealing with a lot of depression because he sponsored and married a lady from Hong Kong (and her children from a previous marriage). Now that the marriage has fallen apart, he's forced to live with them and share the house, because if he leaves they'll be deported and he'll feel guilty. Apparently the lady owns a salon or something near their house, and the kids are in school, so being deported would be a huge negative for them and he doesn't want to be responsible.

Meanwhile he's depressed and doesn't enjoy living there, and though he can go stay with his mother (or could) he really can't without jeopardizing them. Someone from immigration showed up there and wondered why he wasn't sleeping at home.

She's not supportive to him and doesn't treat him well, but he doesn't want to screw them over either.
 

Phonzo

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,817
Say you will think about it, get some poon, then say no after you thought about it long and hard.
 

JaseC64

Enlightened
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,008
Strong Island NY
There is no "might" about it. She could. And he would be responsible for supporting her.
Just read Stinlkles' beautiful post. Wow OP BAIL OUT.

Don't do it. She may be trying to get back with you or you are hoping this gets both of you together but man it sounds like signing a contract to legally support an adult as if it was a child...lol. I mean a child is one thing but what if she falls in love with some dude, you get jealous but still need to support her? This is a headache not worth investing in!!
 

Blackjaw

Member
Nov 21, 2017
720
Rack up some credit card debt, leave it to you...sounds like a good deal.../s

I personally wouldn't do it for anyone outside of family or like best friend from childhood...it's a lot of responsibility
 

Mobius 1

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,142
North Point, Osean Federation
The only way he can sponsor a non-relative is through marriage. Either going to France and marrying her, then applying for a spouse visa; Or by filing a petition for a fiancée visa, which allows her to move to America and marry here within 60 days.

Either way, he will have to sign an affidavit for financial responsibility for her until/if she becomes a permanent resident or naturalized citizen.

So he is hesitant because of what he is not saying - she asked him to marry her and bring her over.
 

Verelios

Member
Oct 26, 2017
14,877
Be careful

I've become friends with someone I recently met. He's dealing with a lot of depression because he sponsored and married a lady from Hong Kong (and her children from a previous marriage). Now that the marriage has fallen apart, he's forced to live with them and share the house, because if he leaves they'll be deported and he'll feel guilty. Apparently the lady owns a salon or something near their house, and the kids are in school, so being deported would be a huge negative for them and he doesn't want to be responsible.

Meanwhile he's depressed and doesn't enjoy living there, and though he can go stay with his mother (or could) he really can't without jeopardizing them. Someone from immigration showed up there and wondered why he wasn't sleeping at home.

She's not supportive to him and doesn't treat him well, but he doesn't want to screw them over either.
Situation is fucked...I wonder if she can't find a new sponsor?
 

Phonzo

Member
Oct 26, 2017
4,817
Why do people that always pose these types of questions never come back to respond.
 

Advance_Alarm

Banned
Dec 4, 2017
316
The only way he can sponsor a non-relative is through marriage. Either going to France and marrying her, then applying for a spouse visa; Or by filing a petition for a fiancée visa, which allows her to move to America and marry here within 60 days.

Either way, he will have to sign an affidavit that he will be financially responsible for her until/if she becomes a permanente resident or citizen.

So he is hesitant because of what he is not saying - she asked him to marry her and bring her over.

People are using the word "sponsor" interchangeably in this thread. Some are using it to mean they are willing to sign an I-864 affidavit of support and agree to support an alien financially so that they alien doesn't become a public charge (one of the categories of inadmissibility). Other people are saying "sponsor" when they mean they are petitioning for an alien relative using the Form I-130. I am not sure if the OP means he wants to marry this woman and commit marriage fraud in order to get her a green card or if he means to sign the I-864 and agree to provide money for her in the hopes of getting some French poonani.
 

Verelios

Member
Oct 26, 2017
14,877
It doesn't sound like she's either tried or been able to. I feel for my friend, because he's a good guy and though I haven't know him long I do like him a lot. He seems to wear his heart on his sleeve.
Now I feel bad for him. And there's no real incentive for her to leave since she knows he's a good guy...that's a terribly depressing situation.