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Bill Maher has some harsh truths about the Mueller investigation
- Thread starter Mondy
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hey, if y'all want to cape for bill maher, be our guests
but don't act like he's a particularly good "ally", or that not having his particular problems is particularly hard for a potential "ally" to adhere to
but don't act like he's a particularly good "ally", or that not having his particular problems is particularly hard for a potential "ally" to adhere to
Well, if the supreme Court says charge and arrest him the DOJ will do that. If they don't, then we are truly living in a dictatorship.
Not being a racist really isn't that hard of a bar to clear, unless we assume every white man can't help themselves from randomly shouting n****r.
lol, it's nothing to do with being a saint... it's about NOT being a bigoted pos and giving a platform to other hateful bigots.
Yes, you absolutely did.
Maybe take another run at it and try to be clearer, then? Because what you wrote reads that way.
Ok. I watch and enjoy Bill Maher, so I guess I'm a racist by proxy.
Get off your high horse.
i'll never forget all the people that act like happening to be right about a black swan event instantly vindicates anything wrong you've ever done or said
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I think there is a glimmer of hope that the old retarded rednecks are old and will die out, it all depends how the choices the younger generations will make.
A recent trend with certain people on the internet like Astro is to constantly claim moral high ground and shunt off even the slightest bit of opposite perspective on an issue you're claiming the high ground on. It's an unbelievably boring and tedious line of dialogue that goes nowhere because it cuts off communication and empathy from the outset. These types of people just create enemies for themselves everywhere they look because the feeling of moral righteousness is more appealing than critical thought.
Yep. And according to this thread, a lot of people will be fine with that as long as they can say "see you x type liberals were wrong!"
If what the bigot is saying goes down, America is over. However anyone following this knows that there is the potential of other crimes he can't just duck out on. The president isn't above the law. But you have people desperately wanting him to be on both sides oddly enough.
With this morons platform, he's not using it honestly. Which is unfortunate, because now you're going to have to deal with low information people that couldn't even be bothered to follow any of this, that will take home that nothing will come of any of this. Despite everything that has happened and is still happening.
For the record. Bill is a transaphobic bigot, and he hates islam. Fuck him.
I suspect support of this idea sure as hell ain't from all the brown people who are being targeted by the gop.
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Yeah, that attempt at humor (he's a comedian) doesn't make him a racist. I had a feeling that was going to be the "evidence". I'm not telling you to not write him off. That's your call. To me he's a great ally to have, although the older he gets the less effective I find his schtick. Still a powerful ally though.
That's because Democrats managed to convince enough people that he was being impeached "over a blowjob" when it was actually more than that. I suppose if Republicans can convince enough people that Donald Trump was framed and the FBI is rigged, the same thing could happen.
this happened to me from Far-Left people (Canada).
Instead of building an alliance 2 told me to my face that they would vote Conservative just to see the Liberals lose. (They were supporters of the Left Wing party known as the NDP: Canada's 3rd place party).
You support a racist bigot so you're part of the problem, yes.
Bit of a dangerous rant from Maher since it mainly focuses on the concept that Trump is already president for life and he can do whatever he wants. Should have spent more time talking about voting and what to do about it instead of basically normalizing the idea that 'hey you in a dictatorship now!'. All the 'there is nothing to be done' people are dangerous and an enemy to actually doing something.
(He's a comedian)
Oh okay glad we've cleared that up. Whew!
He can say whatever he wants now! Especially use the hard r!
Oh okay glad we've cleared that up. Whew!
He can say whatever he wants now! Especially use the hard r!
None of that is hard left. Maybe in some sectors of the extremely right wing US. And the way you phrase your post says a lot about what you think of these issues.
'Aggressive' deplatforming
'Actually afraid' of fascism
'Throws out' the word bigot 'very easily'
All of that tells me you don't take any of these issues seriously. Probably because you're not affected by them. Well guess what, many people are indeed affected. Ask Heather Heyer or DeAndre Harris if we should be worried about fascism and white nationalism. Or the thousands of other victims of hate crimes in the US every year. While you're at it, go ask Milo on Twitter what he thinks of transgender people.
Must be nice to live in those little bubble where this shit can just be dismissed as if it were nothing. Ignorance truly is bliss.
I don't know any other racists who gave 1 million to a black presidential candidate.
Does anyone know of any racists aside from Bill Maher who has done this?
Not being enough of a trans ally doesn't make you transphobic.
Not being enough of a gay ally doesn't make you homophobic.
Etc.
One day, you'll grow up and mature enough to learn that the world isn't so black and white. Hope that day happens sooner than later.
Isn't he stating the obvious here? Republicans don't give a shit if one of their guys does something wrong, as they're going around him for the voter base of intellectual midgets who actually think this empty neonationalist is a hard, honest businessman who has done more work than most Presidents.
Giving a platform to a hateful transphobic pos and not confronting his hateful transphobia does, though.
And you know, I'd disagree with you actually as the only reason you wouldn't be an ally for these people is if you had some kind of reason not to.
Didn't ever say it was black and white, but you ARE part of the problem supporting people like Maher.
Powerful ally feels like a pretty string statement. Have any evidence to back that up. Anything that shows how his actions have specifically moved the needle on an issue?
My take would be that people like Maher aren't particularly reliable allies because the connection that they have with their audience is more predicated on how they say something than it is on the content of what they say. Over his career, Maher's positions have changed and the logical underpinnings of his arguments have changed. The things he has kept constant are his attitude and his style of delivery. That is the core of his brand.
I don't find that type of person particularly reliable or useful in the long term.
Mueller isn't going to indict and arrest Trump. But if his investigation unearths serious wrongdoings then it'll be the duty of the Republicans in Congress to impeach and remove Trump (LOL) or the Democratic Party if they retake the house and senate.
And that's if. Mueller could conclude his investigation saying Trump committed no wrong doings. I think it's pretty obvious there is but we really don't know what kind of conclusions Mueller will come to. I think the obsession and hero worship of Mueller by liberals, especially on this forum where tons of members have him or Comey as their avatars, is only going to lead to disappointment.
At best, Mueller is going to deliver his report detailing wrongdoings and expressly leave whatever happens in congress's hands.
I'm not going to watch Maher. The guy is a tool. But if this was his argument then he's not wrong in this specific circumstance.
And that's if. Mueller could conclude his investigation saying Trump committed no wrong doings. I think it's pretty obvious there is but we really don't know what kind of conclusions Mueller will come to. I think the obsession and hero worship of Mueller by liberals, especially on this forum where tons of members have him or Comey as their avatars, is only going to lead to disappointment.
At best, Mueller is going to deliver his report detailing wrongdoings and expressly leave whatever happens in congress's hands.
I'm not going to watch Maher. The guy is a tool. But if this was his argument then he's not wrong in this specific circumstance.
He gave over a million dollars to get Hillary elected. How many allies do you know who were that committed to Trump not winning. He's a powerful ally.
Congress has shown they won't do anything. Whatever Mueller finds, it will be up to the DNC to use. Hopefully they use it effectively.
I don't see why Republicans would be so adverse to impeach Trump if he is guilty of something major. Then Pence steps in and you have a more establishment Republican to run for TWO relections for Presidency (depending on the timing).
It won't matter if it dominates the news coverage. The goons on Fox and right-wing radio/blogs will spin it and deflect it no matter what, and that's the only place Trump's base gets their news from. They've been laying the groundwork this entire time with the witch hunt garbage. If Republican voters aren't going to care, then will those same congress members have anything to fear from their base if they refuse to act?
I'm putting all my hopes and effort into winning at the ballot box, and controlling what we can from our side. I hope for the best from Mueller's investigation, but I'm not getting my hopes up that it will lead to any definitive action regarding Trump himself.
That's gotta the the dumbest thing I've heard. That's like saying "I love the Cosby show, so I must like rapists."
Also, give me one instance where he was racist and it was not a joke. He's a comedian, and he can make jokes that seem racist. Anything can be made fun of in the right scenario.
To people who are actually serious and realistic about making change happen. But you go right ahead and keep tossing out the imperfect in a futile quest for the perfect.
Because they see what their base looks like under him and are scared that impeaching him could have negative effects on their future. If they impeach him you be guaranteed that he'll go scorched earth on them and encourage his supporters not to vote for them.
Right on, I'll keep on watching the Bill Maher show and enjoy it for its panels, especially when Malcolm Nance is on. Cool?
Are you a 'progressive'?
I would hope but Charlottesville was my generation. My peers. They orchastrated that event with the guidance of the Old Guard.
There is a clear disconnect with the future direction of this country and younger white males. America is getting browner. It has made them feel threatened, scared, and outcasted and as a result they're lashing out.
They are clinging to the very thing that was left for them, White Supremacy and Nationalism. It makes them feel powerful, it emboldens them. The propaganda is bringing them in with massive numbers.
These were suppose to be the future leaders to move us forward, and now we have a whole new wave of generational racisim to combat. Frankly, there is no "dying out" I hate to say it.
The only solution I can think of is minimizing exposure to such toxix rhetoric and working to make sure such people never reach positions of power.
How is Maher racist?
Has he stated he hates black people? He supports voter suppression? He want to limit their freedom in some way?
Has he stated he hates black people? He supports voter suppression? He want to limit their freedom in some way?
At what point is someone's negligence actually allowed to be called out as harmful to a group of people? The way he invited someone with transphobic views onto his show, let his guest talk about those views, and didn't challenge them, while agreeing with that particular guest. He called trans people in the bathroom "weirdos peeing," and agreed with the sentiment that transwomen shouldn't be in women's bathrooms. You can't just sit here and pretend that its him "not being enough of an ally" when there's a lot more to what happened.
People are really underestimating or simplifying too much how a Republican impeachment would play out. Trump is not the the type to go down quietly, there are plenty of Republicans there that know this and don't want that boat rocked. Also the optics of having a sitting US president removed from office for the Republicans would be devastating, not just in the US but in the eyes of the world. There is more than just Republicans that don't want to see that happen.
I remember my sister was up on FB everyday calling everyone trumpanzees. Asked her the day after election if she came out and nope. Talk all the trash you want on social media, forums, whatever, but please get out and vote as well folks.
Do you honestly understand how blind you are? How many people have current event shows that draw his numbers and will even discuss progressive topics and call out conservative talking points? If Maher is part of the problem then you are labelling a vast majority of the population as a problem. If more people were like Maher there wouldn't be as many issues in the States. Would there still be issues? Absolutely, but this purity bullshit has got to stop. You are never going to have a nation of 300 million pure individuals. Part about living in society is finding a common ground on things. Friends, coworkers, neighbors, etc are not going to be 100% lock step in your views 100% of the time. Vilifying people who have done more to push left leaning ideas than you or I is like self harm.
You don't like things he says, that is fine. Enter into discussions with people and attempt to change their views by showing respect. Some are lost but if you honestly believe that Maher is as bad as a right wing conservative talking point sheep then you are a lost cause.
They stand to lose the Trump zealots who are a big chunk of the party now. Many of them are former Dems or political outsiders who would jump ship if the GOP turns on Trump. That's why very few Reps criticize him openly even when it's a really obvious thing to do.
The only way I can see to impeach Trump if Mueller finds the crimes is Dems keep the Senate about where it is now or slightly better and the evidence is so overwhelming that Republican Senators from swing or red leaning states feel like they'll lose their seats by losing too many moderates and independents. The deep red state senators will not abandon him because they care about their seats not the country being led by a criminal.
Too many people are either too lazy to leave their homes or they fell for Huffpo's inane "Hillary has a 97 percent chance of victory" polling nonsense and believed it was a forgone conclusion.
"It was just a joke"
Not blind. Any good stuff absolute doesn't excuse the bigoted racist shot he spews and allows.
That's really all there is to it.
Accepting bigoted people like Maher is not how change is going to happen.
But you do you.
Yea sure looks old to me....
Millenials needs to get they head out the sand and realize just as many of y'all on some bigoted '"Remove" all minorities' type shit....
You can be allied with someone on important issues while completely opposing him on other things. No politician or news media personality represents me 100 percent of the time.
Maher is still one of the only further left personalities with an important media platform so I still watch his show weekly. I can think he's anti Muslim, transphobic, too anti science (vaccines, GMOs) and too fixated on the 'evil' of political correctness and still agree with him most of the time (religion, economics, healthcare, wars, Trump, race and so on).
There are only two big parties to pick from in US politics so I don't have the luxury to disregard everyone who disagrees with me on something important. Most Democratic leaders are way too religious for my comfort yet I'll consistently vote for them now. Lesser of two evils is the name of the game.
Maher is still one of the only further left personalities with an important media platform so I still watch his show weekly. I can think he's anti Muslim, transphobic, too anti science (vaccines, GMOs) and too fixated on the 'evil' of political correctness and still agree with him most of the time (religion, economics, healthcare, wars, Trump, race and so on).
There are only two big parties to pick from in US politics so I don't have the luxury to disregard everyone who disagrees with me on something important. Most Democratic leaders are way too religious for my comfort yet I'll consistently vote for them now. Lesser of two evils is the name of the game.