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RM8

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Oct 28, 2017
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Welp, this is my first non-boxing/UFC milkshake duck :( Why is it so difficult for celebrities to not molest people?
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wish they had mandatory classes on high school/college that ironed into people what is wrong and should never be done.

Too many people don't understand sexual assault/harassment/rape.

Let's get the main points out of the way first.

1) If you're both drunk or one of either is drunk, nobody can consent to sexual acts.
2) Consent can be revoked at any time. Regardless if you're in the act or not, if one party doesn't want to continue, you DO NOT continue.
3) Do not EVER touch a person inappropriately if they are not concious.

It's really not that difficult to not sexually assault somebody if you use common sense.

Male culture surrounding masculinity, sexual identity, equality for women etc... is hideously toxic and we all know this. Many guys grow up hearing women being objectified and just never think any differently. This doesn't excuse their behaviour at all, like you say it's pretty obvious where the lines are... but then you know what they say about common sense...

The point is, we need to address this problem at the source: educating our children to understand this behaviour is never okay. It should be part of national curriculum, it should be infused into us at every stage of early development.

It's sad that it's necessary, but this is where we're at.
 

BocoDragon

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It's always best to exercise judgement with a sound mind.
If it's advice about how to maximize a lasting consent that no one will regret, then I understand.

I just don't think alcohol in the system = rape is that simple.

To me drunk is fine. Falling over passing out? Not ok.

It's hard to define but you know it when you see it.

That does make sense.

If you're basically not conscious of what's happening it's basically like you're asleep.
 

shadowkat

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't buy this one.

He championed LGBTQ issues and women's rights and spent his own fortune in the efforts. People who do that don't do shit like this. This smells like opportunistic retaliation by rumor-mongering conservatives.
People who do that absolutely do shit like this.

Waiting to hear Takei's response.
 

TJG662

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Well guys we had a nice run. Looks lime the women are in charge now. We all going down.
 

WoollyTitan

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Maybe he doesn't even remember it


It's okay to doubt people but we should always support accusers unless they give good reason not to.

Eagerly awaiting Takei's response.
We got this whole thing here known as "Innocent until proven guilty" you know... Immediately supporting accusers by definition immediately condemns the accused, when you have utterly no clue what's what. And even IF he's ultimately proven innocent, it's a stain and experience that never goes and will and will haunt him for a long time, because that's just the way we fucking are. Now of course, if he's guilty, well, fuck him.

George Takei has been bashed time and time again by conservatives and conservative media for his boundary pushing progressive views and actions. I've been saying this for a while, but this whole movement is primed for opportunists to take advantage of. It just boggles my mind how everyone seems to think that what I'm saying is UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE when history has proven it as a thing time and time again. Whenever there's a movement in condemnation, whether it's the bloody witch trials, religious persecution, or a movement against oppression; when people in general by default automatically side with the accuser - RIGHT OR WRONG - there will be people who will use that against their neighbors for the sole sake of petty grudges.

Lol, I can think of quite a few enemies George Takei has made simply because of his extremely leftist views.
 

Instro

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I believe that it happened, but obviously this is a bit different than many other accusations in that both were adults on a date and had been drinking. We'll see what George has to say I guess.
 

Dr. Caroll

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There was that rather odd business about George Takei describing his 13 year old self having sexual encounters with a 19 year old camp counsellor . The experience being "both wonderful and scary and kind of intimidating, and delightful."
 

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Goddamn. I regularly re-listen to his classic appearances on Stern. Him and Artie were gold together. Besides that he's seemed like a genuinely good guy and a role model for lgbt people. I really hope this isn't true. :-/
 

FireSafetyBear

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If it's advice about how to maximize a lasting consent that no one will regret, then I understand.

I just don't think alcohol in the system = rape is that simple.



That does make sense.

If you're basically not conscious of what's happening it's basically like you're asleep.

So then anything past the legal limit. If you can't drive, then that means you can't do much else because you're impaired.

If anything, just be smart.

Most important one I left out

If one party says nothing and doesn't say no, that's NOT consent.
 

SolidChamp

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"Everything is fucking", from True Detective season 2, is one of the worst lines to come out of anything...and yet maybe Pizzolatto was on to something...
 

TrueSloth

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That's awful of him. I hope the victim,has recovered from the trauma. Has GT changed in the past 26 years or is this typical behavior of him?
 

Volimar

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We got this whole thing here known as "Innocent until proven guilty" you know... Immediately supporting accusers by definition immediately condemns the accused, when you have utterly no clue what's what. And even IF he's ultimately proven innocent, it's a stain and experience that never goes and will and will haunt him for a long time, because that's just the way we fucking are. Now of course, if he's guilty, well, fuck him.

George Takei has been bashed time and time again by conservatives and conservative media for his boundary pushing progressive views and actions. I've been saying this for a while, but this whole movement is primed for opportunists to take advantage of. It just boggles my mind how everyone seems to think that what I'm saying is UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE when history has proven it as a thing time and time again. Whenever there's a movement in condemnation, whether it's the bloody witch trials, religious persecution, or a movement against oppression; when people in general by default automatically side with the accuser - RIGHT OR WRONG - there will be people who will use that against their neighbors for the sole sake of petty grudges.

Lol, I can think of quite a few enemies George Takei has made simply because of his extremely leftist views.


We're not a court of law, and supporting an accuser doesn't mean you have to persecute the accused.
 

cubanb

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We got this whole thing here known as "Innocent until proven guilty" you know... Immediately supporting accusers by definition immediately condemns the accused, when you have utterly no clue what's what. And even IF he's ultimately proven innocent, it's a stain and experience that never goes and will and will haunt him for a long time, because that's just the way we fucking are.

George Takei has been bashed time and time again by conservatives and conservative media for his boundary pushing progressive views and actions. I've been saying this for a while, but this whole movement is primed for opportunists to take advantage of. It just boggles my mind how everyone seems to think that what I'm saying is UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE when history has proven it as a thing time and time again. Whenever there's a movement in condemnation, whether it's the bloody witch trials, religious persecution, or a movement against oppression; when people in general by default automatically side with the accuser - RIGHT OR WRONG - there will be people who will use that against their neighbors for the sole sake of petty grudges.

Lol, I can think of quite a few enemies George Takei has made simply because of his extremely leftist views.

That's for legal matters.... I've loved Takei as a regular guest on Howard Stern, but some of the stuff he has done on that show... well it wouldn't surprise me. I think defaulting to conservatives must be attacking him is a dangerous stand to take...
 

arts&crafts

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I believe that it happened, but obviously this is a bit different than many other accusations in that both were adults on a date and had been drinking. We'll see what George has to say I guess.

Agreed, also it was 40 years ago, did it go down exactly like the accuser remembered? Did Takai actually drug him, or this guy would have to be pretty drunk to be unconscious.
 

astro

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I'm having some trouble believing this. A friend of mine who is gay, and myself (straight) were at a gay club in Hollywood approximately 8-10 years ago. Mr. Takei was present. My friend, apparently has a very large uncircumcised penis, and was pretty loudly talking/boasting about it. Mr. Takei was within earshot and challenged him on it.

Friend, claiming it was a full 13 inches obliged to display said penis. At which point Mr. Takei stopped him saying he believed him, and it wasn't necessary feeling that his bluff was called. My friend then offered to let George have a feel under his pants. Again, Mr Takei declined even though he was very obviously attracted to my buddy - good looking dude, probably 25 at the time.

George bought us all a round of drinks and thanked us for the laugh and mental image, and told my friend to be safe.

Now, I realize this is all anecdotal, but in my one-off experiment Mr. Takei seemed like a stand up dude. I'm interested to hear, his statement on this gentleman's claim.

Never heard a guilty party's family and friends saying "I just can't believe it, he didn't seem the type!"?
 

AshuraSenku

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Abstrusity

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For shame, Mr. Takei.

I have to admit that I've become somewhat numb to all of this. I've long since justified it as "humanity was a mistake, it's all trash," never surprised about anything that comes out, the depths of depravity people will sink to. Even the people we claim to idolize, the ones who do good things, are no more than monsters in the end.

I'm wiling out the days until Keanu Reeves and Tom Hanks are revealed to be monsters, too. Nietzche was wrong, when he warned about those who fought monsters becoming them.

All people are monsters. Precious few might transcend that.
 

NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm having some trouble believing this. A friend of mine who is gay, and myself (straight) were at a gay club in Hollywood approximately 8-10 years ago. Mr. Takei was present. My friend, apparently has a very large uncircumcised penis, and was pretty loudly talking/boasting about it. Mr. Takei was within earshot and challenged him on it.

Friend, claiming it was a full 13 inches obliged to display said penis. At which point Mr. Takei stopped him saying he believed him, and it wasn't necessary feeling that his bluff was called. My friend then offered to let George have a feel under his pants. Again, Mr Takei declined even though he was very obviously attracted to my buddy - good looking dude, probably 25 at the time.

George bought us all a round of drinks and thanked us for the laugh and mental image, and told my friend to be safe.

Now, I realize this is all anecdotal, but in my one-off experiment Mr. Takei seemed like a stand up dude. I'm interested to hear, his statement on this gentleman's claim.


Do you think every person that interacted with Kevin Spacey, or Harvey Weinstein, or Bill Cosby was sexually assaulted? It's certainly possible this story isn't true, but saying "But he does so much for charity!" or "But he didn't grab my friend's dick!" are not convincing defenses.
 

Dernhelm

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Oct 25, 2017
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I cannot be the only one here, who, beyond the obvious sense of disgust at the perpetrators of these crimes, is finding the string of outed celebrities, and particularly the order in which we're learning about this, to be all manners of surreal.

Like, beyond coating the entire body of show business with the same suspicion (not that that is a bad idea at this point), you literally couldn't guess who'd be next to be outed like this.
 

WoollyTitan

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Oct 27, 2017
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Do you think every person that interacted with Kevin Spacey, or Harvey Weinstein, or Bill Cosby was sexually assaulted? It's certainly possible this story isn't true, but saying "But he does so much for charity!" or "But he didn't grab my friend's dick!" are not convincing defenses.
I dunno. From what I heard, Tom Hanks definitely bit chunks out of every person he ever met.
 

Spoder

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Oct 24, 2017
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I liked him :(.

But I'm glad for all the victims. Imagine that they couldn't find justice for decades until now...
I hope people continue to name these assaulters, they all need to be brought to light.
 

kittenbreath

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Oct 25, 2017
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We got this whole thing here known as "Innocent until proven guilty" you know... Immediately supporting accusers by definition immediately condemns the accused, when you have utterly no clue what's what. And even IF he's ultimately proven innocent, it's a stain and experience that never goes and will and will haunt him for a long time, because that's just the way we fucking are. Now of course, if he's guilty, well, fuck him.

George Takei has been bashed time and time again by conservatives and conservative media for his boundary pushing progressive views and actions. I've been saying this for a while, but this whole movement is primed for opportunists to take advantage of. It just boggles my mind how everyone seems to think that what I'm saying is UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE when history has proven it as a thing time and time again. Whenever there's a movement in condemnation, whether it's the bloody witch trials, religious persecution, or a movement against oppression; when people in general by default automatically side with the accuser - RIGHT OR WRONG - there will be people who will use that against their neighbors for the sole sake of petty grudges.

Lol, I can think of quite a few enemies George Takei has made simply because of his extremely leftist views.

My man, you need to take a step back. Take a deep breath. Collect yourself. Because you're inventing a conspiracy theory out of whole cloth in order to defend the good name of a celebrity you don't know and isn't your buddy.

It's okay if you want to adopt a skeptical stance until you receive more information. But conjuring conservative boogeymen to explain away a story that is mildly inconvenient to your politics makes you no different than all those Roy Moore supporters falling all over themselves to justify their support of a predator.
 

Inkblots

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Oct 25, 2017
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It doesn't matter if he was drugged or drunk. He was unconscious and was taken advantage of. Accepting an invitation to your home is not consent for sex. Some of y'all scare me.
 

Luap

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Oct 26, 2017
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jesus christ i dont even know how to respond to that video. I feel like that was the point. So controversial it was supposed to be funny or some shit. Chappelle also reeked of 'give trump a chance' after the election so fuck him.

Ah, you really need to have seen the whole stand-up performance up to the point of that Cosby bit. It's a brilliant full-circle ending joke. But yes, quite controversial nonetheless.
 

collige

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jesus christ i dont even know how to respond to that video. I feel like that was the point. So controversial it was supposed to be funny or some shit. Chappelle also reeked of 'give trump a chance' after the election so fuck him.
It only makes sense in the context of the entire set because he spent pretty much the entire hour setting up the joke. Out of context, it's definitely not funny and I don't see its relevance to the thread outside of just being a summary of the good things that Cosby did during his career.
 
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