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Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
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lmao at the alt bans.

man trumpeters really like to rally around certain threads huh? like flies to shit.
Yet they're always mysteriously absent in threads about really obvious racism.
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They're part of the problem.
 

Lurkyseas

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Dec 31, 2017
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The punishment of the employees was warranted, but they'd get a high-five from me regardless. When someone wears a MAGA hat you can pretty much guarantee that they're a hateful piece of shit. It takes every ounce of my patience not to call them out when I see them.

I agree.

Plus LOL at the amount of Trump supporters in this thread.
 

Deleted member 22490

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Guys, don't you know that calling for equality is just as bad as practicing bigotry? You're oppressing the oppressors and that's bad :(.
 
Jan 29, 2018
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Okay listen. One side, the side wearing that hat because it represents something, is actively rooting for values akin to white supremacy by dehumanizing people of other races, lessening the importance of women, ripping families apart through rapid deportation, and cheering for leaders that are dripping with conspiracies and cover ups. If they had their way, so many things would be so much worse than it is now.

Jews were ostracized and recognized because of their symbols and armbands. They suffered greatly for it.

You may just wear the hat because you want to, but whether you like it or not, you've joined a side. As much as someone doesn't want to participate in these kind of things or doesn't want to learn more about them, they still already chose a side. That grey area, that middle? It doesn't exist anymore. Absolutes are so prevalent nowadays.

I hate violence and I treat people with as much respect as I can, but what you choose to wear says a lot about you. If you choose to wear a hat that says "Make America Great Again", then you support the message behind it. A message that could very well kick people like me out of this country had it not been for my residency papers. I'll still love you like I was taught to, but you better darn well prepare for a long tirade from me. Cause now I know that if my back was turned those behind that message would stab me.

I'm honoured you went looking .. abit creepy but okay
 

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Good Night Left Side is a white supremacist slogan

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This is Arthur Jones, a nazi

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This is one of the guys who beat DeAndre Harris

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We all know that punchable face

But it's just a hat
 

Beef Supreme

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Oct 25, 2017
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Let me ask you this, what do you think the holier than thou people's agenda is? What is their goal?

It's just a general statement. Forcing ANY agenda is oppression. If a person's goal is berate you (in other words "holier than thou) into thinking what ever you say is wrong and they're right, it's oppression. I will not oppress you by saying that I'm either right or wrong because I do not have an agenda. I'm not the one calling for people's head for wearing a ball cap (you aren't either, I know). There's something very wrong about that.
 

Deleted member 22490

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It's just a general statement. Forcing ANY agenda is oppression. If a person's goal is berate you (in other words "holier than thou) into thinking what ever you say is wrong and they're right, it's oppression. I will not oppress you by saying that I'm either right or wrong because I do not have an agenda. I'm not the one calling for people's head for wearing a ball cap (you aren't either, I know). There's something very wrong about that.
Saying if people are right or wrong is oppression. Do you consider the Civil Rights Movement oppression? Women's Suffrage Movement? The 13th Amendment?

OP really should have mentioned the man's race in the title, that's what makes this story stand out the most.
It really doesnt
 

4859

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Oct 27, 2017
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In the weak and the wounded
While I agree the phrase has negative connotations, equating it to the genocide of millions of Jews is a bit much.

Wow. This was already a purposefully obtuse post, along with all the other garbage ones like it.

But man what a difference 3 minutes makes.

Maybe you should stop telling the people who Stan for the genocide of millions of Jews to stop equating it with the genocide of millions of Jews, and not people with basic observational abilities.

Funny story, you will never find a nazi wearing a hat with Wiitold Pilecki on it. Just saying.
 
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Saying if people are right or wrong is oppression. Do you consider the Civil Rights Movement oppression? Women's Suffrage Movement? The 13th Amendment?

It really doesnt

You know there's much cringe ITT that I can quote ridiculousness for days but that would turn disruptive, I need a break.

I'm still fresh from the Thug Life Doormat Outrage topic, I need a break. It's morning, time to start the coffee and take a shower.
 

TheRuralJuror

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,504
This our society now.

I just don't understand what anyone is asking for specifically. If you all hate the hat so much, then go make people take it off and see how it works out for you. As I said earlier, fistfights aren't nearly as grand when you're in one. I think some just like the idea of going on a forum to talk big about how they'll set these folks straight irl, which I can't see most people here actually doing (and I don't blame them).

I don't disagree with anyone hating the hat, but ultimately, you're going to be in the wrong if you go start some shit. Personally, I'm not taking my chance with cops today. I think most people wearing the hat are ignorant, but I'm not going to let it fuck with my job or even fuck up my day. It simply reminds me of why I get out and vote dem each and every election and encourage those close to me to do so.
 

Pancracio17

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Oct 29, 2017
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I was actually kinda torn because, while its bad to generalize, MAGA hats are usually worn by assholes that oppress other minority groups. So idk what position to take.

But apparently there arent any sources? What?
 

Gaga Dead Aunt

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Oct 25, 2017
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that poster PMed me letting me know he was gonna ignore me for not using punctuation and he's talking about cringe
 
May 3, 2018
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I just don't understand what anyone is asking for specifically. If you all hate the hat so much, then go make people take it off and see how it works out for you. As I said earlier, fistfights aren't nearly as grand when you're in one. I think some just like the idea of going on a forum to talk big about how they'll set these folks straight irl, which I can't see most people here actually doing (and I don't blame them).

I don't disagree with anyone hating the hat, but ultimately, you're going to be in the wrong if you go start some shit. Personally, I'm not taking my chance with cops today. I think most people wearing the hat are ignorant, but I'm not going to let it fuck with my job or even fuck up my day. It simply reminds me of why I get out and vote dem each and every election and encourage those close to me to do so.

This here, this attitude, is truly the one that people will have to ultimately take. As it's been shown with this scenario, flipping out and getting rowdy will only be detrimental to the person acting that way.
 

snausages

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Feb 12, 2018
10,359
People talk a lot about semiotics on here. Which is fine, it's important.

But the thing signified here isn't absolutely defined, it's way more unstable than a Klan hood. Unless it is widely understood to connote the things people on here are saying (White supremacism, ethnostate) then you aren't really correct saying that the people wearing this hat embrace the same ideals. Cause they probably don't make this association. I personally don't make this association and I hate Trump (WRT the hat, I see protectionist economic policies and anti-PC. Stuff I don't agree with but not the same as KKK).

Meaning of a symbol comes from the way its commonly understood. But the hat signifies lots of different things to different people. Some of these things are racist. Many racists have embraced the hat, use it as a dogwhistle. But they don't own it. It's simply not true that it's on the same level as a Klan hood or the Nazi Swastika.

Possibly when time has passed and history has had its say the red MAGA hat will mean exactly these things to a majority of people. But right now it does not. Stuff like this isn't helpful for allowing the 'other side' to build up a fairly convincing narrative of victimisation. Like the 'deplorable' gaffe by Hillary during the election. Not worth dying on this hill, let them wear their stupid hat. They may come to regret it later anyway.
 

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That hat represents a lot more than just political beliefs. Dehumanizing minorities is not a political belief. Suppressing the free press is not a political belief. Standing for white supremacy is not a political belief. Criticizing prisoners of war is not a political belief. You don't get to pick and choose what a symbol like that means when it has this much truly despicable shit associated with it.

I'm not ever going to advocate for violence against people. But you better be prepared to catch a lot of shit if you walk out of your house wearing that bullshit.

If you support Trump you're either a bigot yourself or you're okay with them running amok because you don't think you're affected. He had his chance to denounce white supremacy, to declare he doesn't want the support of neo-nazis, the kkk, (neo?) confederates, etc. The best we got out of him was "there are bad people on both sides" as he works actively to eject as many minority non citizens here on asylum as he possibly can, break apart as many families as he can because they're brown, and enable police brutality against minorities. We all know just what that hat and that slogan symbolize.
 

EnronERA

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Oct 25, 2017
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MAGA people may be shitheads, but treating people this way is unacceptable. Especially if they aren't even doing anything objectionable other than wearing the hat in public.
 

inner-G

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Oct 27, 2017
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MAGA people may be shitheads, but treating people this way is unacceptable. Especially if they aren't even doing anything objectionable other than wearing the hat in public.
I don't think they did anything illegal, it says they just yelled at him.

One could argue that the hat itself is the unacceptable statement, not the response to it.
 

Tonedeff

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Oct 25, 2017
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User Banned (2 Weeks): Continued pattern of antagonistic behaviour, inciting hostility, and trolling political topics.
Motherfuckers catching heat for wearing fucking hats now? Lol I love this shit. Let the heat rise until it burns everything. Fuck peace and fuck America
 

Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
26,151
I don't know, but I'd love to read an article or something which highlights/talks with his minority supporters.

after a quick search this is all i could find really

Hardaway and Richardson basically said that they support him because they want America to be "great" again, and that they support his plan to stop immigration by building giant wall at the border because they feel immigration is a major problem.

The common trend I've noticed with Black folks who support Trump is that they:

1. Lean to the right on the political spectrum
2. Are anti-immigration, if not outright xenophobic.
3. Believe that his wealth and reputation will make him a job creator.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-black-and-Hispanic-people-support-Donald-Trump
 

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People talk a lot about semiotics on here. Which is fine, it's important.

But the thing signified here isn't absolutely defined, it's way more unstable than a Klan hood. Unless it is widely understood to connote the things people on here are saying (White supremacism, ethnostate) then you aren't really correct saying that the people wearing this hat embrace the same ideals. Cause they probably don't make this association. I personally don't make this association and I hate Trump (WRT the hat, I see protectionist economic policies and anti-PC. Stuff I don't agree with but not the same as KKK).

Meaning of a symbol comes from the way its commonly understood. But the hat signifies lots of different things to different people. Some of these things are racist. Many racists have embraced the hat, use it as a dogwhistle. But they don't own it. It's simply not true that it's on the same level as a Klan hood or the Nazi Swastika.

Possibly when time has passed and history has had its say the red MAGA hat will mean exactly these things to a majority of people. But right now it does not. Stuff like this isn't helpful for allowing the 'other side' to build up a fairly convincing narrative of victimisation. Like the 'deplorable' gaffe by Hillary during the election. Not worth dying on this hill, let them wear their stupid hat. They may come to regret it later anyway.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you're expressing as a whole. But we're long past the point where people wearing that hat and sporting Trump gear get to say "I'm not a racist. I don't support racism!"

They are either bigots in line with Trump or they accept bigotry as a necessary consequence for seeing Trump try to accomplish whatever else it is these people support (tax changes & cuts, for example). Neither is acceptable.

totalitarianism is absolutely a political ideology

My point is it shouldn't be treated as one here. The right for a free press to even exist is supposed to be inherent to this country. As long as the first amendment exists as it does in the United States then no American should be treating the suppression of free speech as a valid political belief. Am I making sense?
 

Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
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My point is it shouldn't be treated as one here. The right for a free press to even exist is supposed to be inherent to this country. As long as the first amendment exists as it does in the United States then no American should be treating the suppression of free speech as a valid political belief. Am I making sense?

it should be treated as shameful radical nonsense in america, i agree
 

Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
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Yep. When you work a job, do your job and leave this shit at the door when dealing with customers.

Meh.
If people want to be a martyr for a cause, so be it. It might not be the short term best action, but it's good for society to not tolerate racist bullshit like maga.

So yes, it's understandable that the company fired them, but good for them. Hope they find another job
 

Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
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You can't just be threatening/hostile to every Trump supporter you come across. You'll end up fired(like here) or even in prison. They exist, you have to accept it and move on.

You don't have to accept it and move on.

If people want to confront them, good for them, even if it's to the detriment of their employment.

This shit while common should never be normal.