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Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Hundred Acre Wood
It is the year 202X

Some players are forced to download "adult content patches" to see anime tiddies

While others freely maim and dismember increasingly realistic humans, animals, and other creatures

You can't kiss a breast, but you damn sure can cut it off
 

Hierophant

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,196
Sydney
The games are already censored too so I don't see the point of doing this, as pointed out by others in the thread, I guarantee the state that these eroge are released on steam is way more tame than anything in the Witcher 3.
 
Dec 18, 2017
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They don't want kids playing pornographic games. Probably the same reason every other company does it: Apple, Google, Sony, Microsoft, etc.
I was 11 years old when I first looked at hentai online. It didn't disturb me at all unless it was the violent rapey stuff. Which admittedly is far too common in hentai. Not because it is sexual, but because it is violent.

I would have had no interest in ultraviolent games at all.
I'm not saying it is right or was okay for me to do. But I did have biological urges and sought out eye candy. It was a biological urge that I sought out. Even at that age.

Whereas I always thought violence was disturbing.

If you were to ask 11 year old me what was more disturbing, ultraviolence, or the sexuality present in some Steam games, I would say the non-violent sexuality, no question.
And if kids, like I once was, would have access to sexual content on Steam, without these measures, they still have access to horribly violent content.

Childhood me would have been horribly disturbed by some of the violence on Steam.

I'm not trying to justify what I did as a hormonal kid, or say that this is okay. But simply illustrate that, if kids shouldn't have access to sexual games on Steam, they shouldn't have access to disturbing violent ones, either.
 

FreDre

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Apr 10, 2018
275
Argentina
I'm pretty sure this is Paypal related with their zero tolerance policy on adult sex content.

It's a bummer for the VN niche market, but it was bound to happen sooner or later.
Play by Paypal rules or else.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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How is it a dangerous precedent? It's their store.

Also more or less the one outlet that can make or break an indie game, at least on PC. This is why Valve needs a proper competitor. Or have a landscape where developers/publishers can thrive by directly selling you their games without storefronts like this. Now you have an arbitrary 3rd party dictating what is and isn't OK for consumers while seemingly arbitrarily conflating sexual content with problematic material.
 

XDevil666

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,985
I wonder if this is because of the next UK law change?
The one that is a complete mess, will trigger a lot of stolen details, people diverting to the dark web or through VPN/proxies

The Porn Pass
 

signal

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Oct 28, 2017
40,199
I was 11 years old when I first looked at hentai online. It didn't disturb me at all unless it was the violent rapey stuff. Which admittedly is far too common in hentai. Not because it is sexual, but because it is violent.

I would have had no interest in ultraviolent games at all.
I'm not saying it is right or was okay for me to do. But I did have biological urges and sought out eye candy. It was a biological urge that I sought out. Even at that age.

Whereas I always thought violence was disturbing.

If you were to ask 11 year old me what was more disturbing, ultraviolence, or the sexuality present in some Steam games, I would say the non-violent sexuality, no question.
And if kids, like I once was, would have access to sexual content on Steam, without these measures, they still have access to horribly violent content.

Childhood me would have been horribly disturbed by some of the violence on Steam.

I'm not trying to justify what I did as a hormonal kid, or say that this is okay. But simply illustrate that, if kids shouldn't have access to sexual games on Steam, they shouldn't have access to disturbing violent ones, either.

lmao. Email this to Gabe he'll change his mind.
 

Tickling

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Oct 29, 2017
961
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you pull this stuff you have to be consistent so are they pulling the big Aaa games with sexual content? I seriously doubt it. Are they going to pull adult rated shooters? Are they going to pull adult rated fantasy games? This is a complete bs move
 

Alcibiades

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Feb 3, 2018
630
The Roman empire is one of the big (if not the biggest) reasons why almost every modern society has an absolutely disastrous view of sex that equates it with male pleasure and power so I wouldn't use them as an example of a culture ahead of their time lmao

And this is almost undoubtedly borderline porn games and Valve covering their ass considering state and country - including certain laughable laws in the supposed sexually liberated Europe - specific laws. They wouldn't give a shit otherwise.
You're talking about two different things there mate. In case you didn't realize: every pre-industrial society was sexist and dominated by males. Pinning all the blame on the Roman Empire makes little to no sense.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
12,091
I wonder if this is because of the next UK law change?
The one that is a complete mess, will trigger a lot of stolen details, people diverting to the dark web or through VPN/proxies

The Porn Pass
That is interesting. I'm tired of blaming American social standards, when the UK is the one with the weird pornography laws.
 

Lemstar

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the real issue that people should be concerned about is Valve's lack of feedback - this is the classic shitty Valve customer service, except on a corporate scale. If the policies haven't changed, then games that were previously kosher should remain kosher, and if they have, then that should be communicated to the publishers.

It doesn't seem like all erotic/adult games got hit, only games sexualizing minors got hit. A game like Lady killer in a bind/ Coming out On top didn't get hit, among other examples. Just an observation.
None of the characters in HuniePop are minors.

Unless we're going down the path of thinking that any woman drawn with anything remotely looking like an anime artstyle looks underage, in which case I'm not really sure what to say.

I'm pretty sure this is Paypal related with their zero tolerance policy on adult sex content.

It's a bummer for the VN niche market, but it was bound to happen sooner or later.
Play by Paypal rules or else.
It's definitely entirely plausible that a payment processor is behind this, but that's still something that should be communicated.
 

Candescence

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Oct 27, 2017
2,253
I'm pretty sure this is Paypal related with their zero tolerance policy on adult sex content.

It's a bummer for the VN niche market, but it was bound to happen sooner or later.
Play by Paypal rules or else.
Possibly. This sudden shift implies some kind of external pressure.

Granted, Paypal has made exceptions for certain sites and adult content before (Patreon), and I doubt Valve doesn't have the leverage to make Paypal give them an exception as well, so I'm not certain about it being Paypal specifically.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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Can we cancel Valve now? Fenced in middle man between you and the games you bought was bad enough, now they're content police too?
Yes, because Sony, Nintendo, and MS would never do anything like this. This is clearly a crackdown on borderline porn shit. But sure, everyone keep trying to conflate these trash games to gta and witcher. Anything to have a 2 minutes of hate thread about valve.

Valve allows AO content. Hatred is still on there. Getting rid of the skeevey trash is fine by me.
 

Deleted member 2793

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Also more or less the one outlet that can make or break an indie game, at least on PC. This is why Valve needs a proper competitor. Or have a landscape where developers/publishers can thrive by directly selling you their games without storefronts like this. Now you have a an arbitrary 3rd party dictating what is and isn't OK for consumers while seemingly arbitrarily conflating sexual content with problematic material.
Well, sure, I never liked the Valve "monopoly", even though seems most people were always ok with it, but they don't have any obligation to let adult sexual content in their store. They aren't banning these games from existence.

Honestly, I think games like Nekopara, a very low tier eroge, only became popular because they got fast to Steam and got that underserved casual "horny" market fast - same for other similar titles. They already made more money than they would ever make without Steam, so I don't think they're losing much having to adapt their content to the new guidelines. They can also sell +18 versions in their own stores or whatever.

Also, aren't all the games affected by this games that have actual sex implied? It's not just being "lewd" in a Senran Kagura way (has no sex), it's more than that.
 

Hierophant

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Oct 25, 2017
2,196
Sydney
Yes, because Sony, Nintendo, and MS would never do anything like this. This is clearly a crackdown on borderline porn shit. But sure, everyone keep trying to conflate these trash games to gta and witcher. Anything to have a 2 minutes of hate thread about valve.
What is wrong with porn games? What automatically confines them to "shit" or trash?

Why do you care so much if people play "skeevey trash"? Can I just assume you don't care about the livelihoods of such developers of "skeevey trash"? Do you personally watch pornography yourself?
 

ZeroGravity

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Dec 19, 2017
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It doesn't seem like all erotic/adult games got hit, only games sexualizing minors got hit. A game like Lady killer in a bind/ Coming out On top didn't get hit, among other examples. Just an observation.
There are no minors in HuniePop. They are clearly targeting games they don't agree with.
 
Dec 18, 2017
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So because Valve are successful, and market leader, they should not be allowed to set any kind of content policies for their store
I don't know about "not allowed". But it should certainly be okay to be critical of them and their decision and the values it reinforces and normalizes.

I don't think we should treat Valve's decision here as beyond reproach.
And when many games and game platforms are desexualized, it rightly leaves a sour impression for many people.
 

Mattersnotnow

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Jan 15, 2018
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Shouldn't Valve enforce an age verification system perhaps?

Anyway, I'm against censorship most of the time but Steam is a privately owned storefront that gets to decide what's on or not on their platform. The disingenous aspect is letting these games through first, profitting from their sales and only then mandating changes to the content.
Also... Doubt the standards will apply to bigger publishers with sexual content in their games so if that's confirmed, that's another bit of bs.
 

Kida

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes, because Sony, Nintendo, and MS would never do anything like this. This is clearly a crackdown on borderline porn shit. But sure, everyone keep trying to conflate these trash games to gta and witcher. Anything to have a 2 minutes of hate thread about valve.

Valve allows AO content. Hatred is still on there. Getting rid of the skeevey trash is fine by me.

There are plenty of these games on the Vita and Nintendo allows stuff like GalGun on Switch.
 

sredgrin

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Oct 27, 2017
12,276
Hearing some folks theorize it's literally one person reporting every VN on steam. There was this one person on A Kiss For the Petals steam community that seemed to imply that they were going after other games - reporting them, too, trying to get them taken down. https://steamcommunity.com/app/766540/discussions/0/1698293068430721254/?ctp=6

Probably not just because of this person, at least I hope not?

Looks like a troll.

Though that thread encapsulates what I was talking about earlier. A fan trying to suggest a scene of tit sucking is not meant for sexual simulation and "A breast is not a sexual organ and not sexual in nature."
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,396
Yes, because Sony, Nintendo, and MS would never do anything like this. This is clearly a crackdown on borderline porn shit. But sure, everyone keep trying to conflate these trash games to gta and witcher. Anything to have a 2 minutes of hate thread about valve.

Pointing out one instance =/= other parties are absolved. Why are we resorting to whatabout-ism, and why are we defending murky policing on PC of all platforms?
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
5,956
Well, this is a bit shit of Valve. Especially if devs have been given the go-ahead in the past.
I think there is something more to this.

Companies like Valve do not often make decisions like these without some sort of external motivator.

In the PCGaming thread I jokingly suggested it was tied to the iOS Steam Link release - that someone was going through all the dubious games and checking them against iOS guidelines, which last I heard were very anti-sex/nudity. It would explain why Witcher 3 is so-far untouched - It's a "respectable" game with nudity from a large publisher, whereas everything that's been pulled-up so far has either been anime boobs, or smaller devs.

Edit: I will hasten to add that I have no proof for this, and it is just as likely PayPal, who are so anti-sex it's crazy.
 

Deleted member 43462

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May 16, 2018
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I don't understand why there can't be porn / smut in video games. It's not for me, and I don't get it. But books and film have them. There is clearly an audience for it.

I guess Valve is allowed to do what they want, since it's their platform. Only issue it raises, is them allowing AAA titles to have sexual content / nudity, while targeting visual novels.

I guess it's their definition of when something becomes porn, or exists specifically for sexual content.

Edit:

If this is about the depiction of minors, or the questionable age of people, then yeah there is no excuse for that. I don't think that is okay.
 

LostSkullKid

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Nov 27, 2017
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Watch someone defend the sexualizing minor games.
I don't know about other games but I know HuniePop has a catgirl character who says she's "1 year old" and she clearly has no idea what sex is and it's pretty clearly framed as you taking advantage of her innocence. That's clearly a problem. But like it seems like even if a character is stated to be over 18 and clearly acts their age, people will automatically claim any anime styled character is underage unless they have giant animay tiddies. So, I worry that stuff is going to be deemed as sexualizing minors when it isn't. Like adult women with small boobs actually exist in the real world.
 

Stilton Disco

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
581
UK
Graphic violence, gore and murder are A-OK and perfectly healthy family friendly fun, but don't you dare show a vag' you sick piece of shit!
 

impact

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Oct 26, 2017
5,380
Tampa
User Banned (A day) : Drive-by generalisation + Accumulated Infractions.
If this gets rid of anime games from Steam I don't see the issue. Gaben is trying to show you degenerates the light.
 

Strings

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Oct 27, 2017
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At least I can now play them during Ramadan.
Bahahaha, really caught me off guard.

I'm not a fan of these types of games at all (fanservice-y anime, manga, etc drive me up a wall), but they really need to release clear PR as to why they're targeting them and not the other aforementioned bigger games that feature sexual content.
 
Nov 2, 2017
951
Pointing out one instance =/= other parties are absolved. Why are we resorting to whatabout-ism, and why are we defending murky policing on PC of all platforms?
The developers are free to self-publish on PC, nothing is stopping them. Can they do the same on consoles? Can they sell games for consoles without going through MS, Sony or Nintendo? Maybe if MS blocked these games from Windows you would have an apt comparison.
 
Dec 18, 2017
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By the way, if I were a platform holder or a part of a company that holds a platform, I wouldn't want certain types of games on my platform. Including some sexual types.

Such as overtly rapey sexual games like Dragonia(it's a game on Steam, I don't recommend looking into it). I would not such games on a platform if I had one. Not because they are sexual, but because they contain an element of a particularly sadistic and grotesque level of violence. The sexuality in a lot of these games is violent in nature.

I don't think that means that we should ban all sexuality in games, however. Sexuality itself is a wonderful thing.
Sexuality is one of the good things in life. Violence and suffering is one of the bad things.
 
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