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Skittzo

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The problem has become people take my Liam quote and spin it on social media and through various websites. Some people take what was said as facts or change the wording. It makes me feel bad and I don't want people attacking Liam.

Just listen to his podcast and you can hear it.

Maybe you should add a disclaimer to the beginning of the post saying that it's 100% unverified rumor and it should be taken with a grain of salt.
 

Sub Boss

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I'd like to think it wasn't that "dire".

If these two games were being made at the same time, then if Zero was a hit, Retro's game would have likely been a follow-up that would have readily addressed one the immediate concerns Zero had (no MP) and would have only expanded the brand's reach by taking a different avenue. But since that wasn't the case, Retro's game pretty much now is the true torchbearer of the brand, now.

It's very possible that because Zero wasn't a success, it also put the kibosh on whatever "licensing media plans" that may have been in the works for StarFox on the same token, until everything can be synched up to Retro's title.

I mean....I can't be the only one that wonders what might have happened if Zero actually beat the odds. Could that "The Battle Begins" animated feature begot more like it?
Im very glade Zero 2 isn't a thing, imagine changing Bayonetta 3 for a SFZ sequel D:
 
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You didn't do anything wrong, Dark Cloud. We're in a rumor thread talking about a rumor and Liam had more things to say about the rumor so we're talking about the things he has to say about the rumor. Because apparently the things he has to say are worth listening to because he is in this with other reliable sources. If people are taking this stuff as fact then that's their problem, and if Liam is upset then that's his problem. He basically started all this anyway, with all his star fox "jokes", so if he's gonna get upset then that's his deal. It's not like you posted an illegal download of his patreon podcast, you paraphrased it. It's a normal thing to do when we're discussing a rumor.
 

NeonStars

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At this point the real surprise would actually be for this and the Pokémon Let's Go thing to be proven fake, too much "info" and impressions about these games have been released from multiple sources, even Nintendo seems to be teasing them.
The Pokémon Let's go thing is definitely real. This however I'm still not sure about. One things for sure though is that this E3 is gonna be pretty interesting.

If it turns out this game doesn't exist I'm going to be VERY skeptical regarding leaks in the future.
 

Doorman

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Im very glade Zero 2 isn't a thing, imagine changing Bayonetta 3 for a SFZ sequel D:
I don't think that this was ever a likely scenario to play out, so I wouldn't worry over it too much. If Zero had done well enough to warrant an immediate sequel like that, it probably would have had to have been a substantially different game than what we ultimately wound up with, at which point the notion of a sequel to it would play a lot more positively anyway. It's not like Bayo 2 sold particularly great either but 3 is still being made, which suggests to me that it's more of a passion project for that team and Nintendo thinks it's worth the investment as a portfolio-booster even if it's not being looked at as a possible commercial hit.
 

Sub Boss

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I don't think that this was ever a likely scenario to play out, so I wouldn't worry over it too much. If Zero had done well enough to warrant an immediate sequel like that, it probably would have had to have been a substantially different game than what we ultimately wound up with, at which point the notion of a sequel to it would play a lot more positively anyway. It's not like Bayo 2 sold particularly great either but 3 is still being made, which suggests to me that it's more of a passion project for that team and Nintendo thinks it's worth the investment as a portfolio-booster even if it's not being looked at as a possible commercial hit.
ok but thats probably what that team has been working on after Zero (and Nier?) finished, other sequels would have made it hard for PG to focus.
 

Datajoy

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I just want the remind everyone that very very few details have actually been mentioned by any fully reputable sources. The bits from the Liam guy sound cool, but his track record is pretty spotty.... such as:

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ReyVGM

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I just want the remind everyone that very very few details have actually been mentioned by any fully reputable sources. The bits from the Liam guy sound cool, but his track record is pretty spotty.... such as:

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And then he said it was true before the event started, so he did have inside infoi

People need to stop thinking these guys are oracles or something. They get info from other people and sometimes those people will be wrong. Either because they lied or plans changed or they misinterpreted the info.
 

NeonStars

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And then he said it was true before the event started, so he did have inside infoi

People need to stop thinking these guys are oracles or something. They get info from other people and sometimes those people will be wrong. Either because they lied or plans changed or they misinterpreted the info.
So he backpedaled? I mean what does that say about all this? If he says before this E3 "Actually never mind guys Star Fox isn't real" and it ends up not being shown does that mean he has inside info?
 

Hailinel

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And then he said it was true before the event started, so he did have inside infoi

People need to stop thinking these guys are oracles or something. They get info from other people and sometimes those people will be wrong. Either because they lied or plans changed or they misinterpreted the info.
At least in Liam's case, his whole business model seems to revolve around convincing people to violate their NDAs so he can say as much as he can publicly regardless of how factual his information may or may not be.
 

Christo750

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I just want the remind everyone that very very few details have actually been mentioned by any fully reputable sources. The bits from the Liam guy sound cool, but his track record is pretty spotty.... such as:

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This is annoying; nobody ever quotes his tweet from literally 2 hours later saying he may have been wrong and a lot of things in that 4chan list were true. Of course it all wound up being true but it's possible nobody knew all of it.

Either way, using this cherry picked example against him is bullshit.
 

Dr. Dre's Dr.

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at this point, I Cant help but think that we aren't getting the full picture here, The more I think about it the more I fell as if some insider heard Starfox and racing and then just ran with it. the racing will more than likely be a part of this new game but I only believe it will be just that a "part". We are missing some really big pieces here.

And it's not even like we got any soft confirmation like Nintendo patents for the rumoured pokemon, in that case, the rumour more likely forced them to patent it early so that it wouldn't get scooped up by another company. If these circumstances are accurate then what about Star Fox Gran Prix? why haven't they moved to patent the title if it were completely accurate?

These string of rumours at this point cant is 100% believed.
You need to reach the stage of acceptance before E3 or it's going to be rough.
 

Datajoy

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This is annoying; nobody ever quotes his tweet from literally 2 hours later saying he may have been wrong and a lot of things in that 4chan list were true. Of course it all wound up being true but it's possible nobody knew all of it.

Either way, using this cherry picked example against him is bullshit.
I'd be happy to see any other tweets of him correctly predicting things. I just post this one as an example of a high-profile and sort of hilarious fuck-up, given that games with those exact titles were announced within days (hours?) of the tweet.
 

NeonStars

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This is annoying; nobody ever quotes his tweet from literally 2 hours later saying he may have been wrong and a lot of things in that 4chan list were true. Of course it all wound up being true but it's possible nobody knew all of it.

Either way, using this cherry picked example against him is bullshit.
But how do we know he didn't just say that after he considered the fact that if it so happened the leak was real and he said it wasn't he would lose credibility? Leakers always seem to phrase their info so that either way they can say that they were right even if they weren't.

I'm just saying we shouldn't put so much stock into "insiders". At times they are as clueless as we are.
And making educated guesses doesn't make you reliable.
 

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All the hype for the january direct was made by those leakers, that talked for months on how the january direct was going to be massive, and like 30 minutes before the actual direct they went here on Era with an apology "i don't understand, i thought this was huge, but apparently it is going to be only ports, byeee"...

That's not how I remember it at all. The Nintendo Direct was on January 11th.

I posted this here on the forums on January 9th. I warned you that the year would rely more on third parties + Nintendo ports.

I'm going to be brutally honest with you.

Nintendo's strategy with 2018 is to rely on third party stuff + ports of Nintendo games.

They believe that's enough to hold them over until 2019 when they bring out the big guns. (Metroid, etc)

I also teased Dark Souls two days before the January Direct.

I don't know Bandage. I think your souls will be ready on Thursday.

If you overhyped yourself for that January Direct, then you can only really blame yourself.
 

Spring-Loaded

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So what are people's DREAM features for this game


share your DREAMS here, and describe them as fully as you can


Personally, I just hope the basic movement is exhilarating and conveys the sense of locomotion and momentum of steering a real-ass plane through intricate series of obstacles




Also, if they create new characters for this, throw in a heroic pig-man to 1) show that not all pig people are evil like Pigma and 2) to have an expy of Studio Ghibli's Porco Rosso as an ace pilot

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and if there are going to be hub worlds, have at least one beach/ocean area with a mission giver in a little hidden alcove island that you can fly out of like so

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That's not how I remember it at all. The Nintendo Direct was on January 11th.

I posted this here on the forums on January 9th. I warned you that the year would rely more on third parties + Nintendo ports.

I don't remember who were the leakers that tried to hyped up as much as they could and who tried to downplay it (because really it wasn't that special), so what you're saying migh be true, but no one can deny that leadup to it was surreal.
 

NeonStars

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That's not how I remember it at all. The Nintendo Direct was on January 11th.

I posted this here on the forums on January 9th. I warned you that the year would rely more on third parties + Nintendo ports.



I also teased Dark Souls two days before the January Direct.



If you overhyped yourself for that January Direct, then you can only really blame yourself.
I mean this year doesn't really seem any more reliant on ports/third parties than last year, considering most of the heavy hitters from last year were ports of Wii U games.
 
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I mean, even if you get the info correct, getting it correct right before everybody find out the news anyway doesn't have much value. I feel like Liam on his own is not reliable. The only reason this leak deserves the attention its getting is because of the large number of sources that believe in it. A mix of reliable and unreliable sources alike. Even then it likely won't turn out exactly as assumed.
 

Hailinel

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That's literally not his business model.
Literally, no, of course not. It's a simplistic perception. He does work on videos and projects about video games. But he does get a lot of his insider info through means I'm not terribly comfortable with, and some of his output has rubbed me very wrong.
 

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I mean this year doesn't really seem any more reliant on ports/third parties than last year, considering most of the heavy hitters from last year were ports of Wii U games.

Depends on how you look at it.

There's still more third party announcements coming. And there's still potential ports like Metroid Prime Trilogy and New Super Mario Bros U.

I mean, Go Vacation is literally a Wii port, and that was announced today.
 

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Literally, no, of course not. It's a simplistic perception. He does work on videos and projects about video games. But he does get a lot of his insider info through means I'm not terribly comfortable with, and some of his output has rubbed me very wrong.
I really hate to tell you this but he's not getting his info any differently than anybody else.
 

Momo

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Depends on how you look at it.

There's still more third party announcements coming. And there's still potential ports like Metroid Prime Trilogy and New Super Mario Bros U.

I mean, Go Vacation is literally a Wii port, and that was announced today.

Hopefully Xenoblade X is one of these potential ports.
 

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I actually really curious why everyone seems to think this game is definitely real to begin with. This topic EXPLODED the other day and I can't help but think it was just a perpetual internet cycle of certain sites reporting on it with other boards freaking out over it and so on and so forth.

If anyone can possibly point me in the right direction as to what started it all I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm trying to research it myself right now but I'm not finding definitive proof.
 
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Spring-Loaded

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I actually really curious why everyone seems to think this game is definitely real to begin with. This topic EXPLODED the other day and I can't help but think it was just a perpetual internet cycle of certain sites reporting on it with other boards freaking out over it and so on and so forth.

If anyone can possible point me in the right direction as to what started it all I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm trying to research it myself right now but I'm not finding definitive proof.

Because it's too fukken DOPE to be fake of course.


Won't you believe in it? That even if there's no god or Buddha

there is Star Fox
 

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What Liam said on his podcast from what he's heard

Take it all with a grain of salt! Anything is possible...

- The game is not like F-Zero
- He's seen a more complete version of the logo
- The game is based on the arwing (which differentiates it from F-Zero)
- He was told the title "Star Fox Grand Prix" was a tentative title
- The game is a mixture between classic Star Fox and racing
- You shoot enemies to propel forward and get combos; you can shoot other players too
- Each Grand Prix is three tracks with a boss fight- where the boss comes onto the track
- It has a big hub area where you can interact with the Star Fox characters
- You pick up new missions at the hub and there's story content to go through
- The game looks really really good in motion
- He also heard Retro was considering adding cameos like Donkey Kong


One more thing. He also heard it was a 2019 game, but wouldn't be surprised if it was a 2018 game.


Extra tidbits:
- Fire Emblem is on pace to release this year.
- Smash is releasing in October according to his sources

Interesting, way better than I (and everyone else) was expecting. It might turn out to be a great Star Fox game. I hope this finally place to rest the "Retro's Star Fox is killing my F-Zero!!!" hysteria.
 
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Betty

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I kinda hope it isn't floaty like F-Zero or wipeout and feels more like Mario Kart or Diddy Kong.
 

NeonStars

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Depends on how you look at it.

There's still more third party announcements coming. And there's still potential ports like Metroid Prime Trilogy and New Super Mario Bros U.

I mean, Go Vacation is literally a Wii port, and that was announced today.
Well let's see
ARMS
Splatoon 2
FE Warriors
Snippet Clips
Mario Odyssey
were the original games developed and published by Nintendo last year. Maybe I'm missing some smaller ones (I did include snipper clips though).

This year we have
Kirby Star Allies
Mario Tennis
Smash Bros
Pokémon (potentially)

So far we have 3/4 new games by Nintendo. So I dunno maybe the ratio is more disparaged but as far as original games go I think it'll be the same. Potentially even more.
 

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Who is Liam and why is what he says trust worthy? None of the links in the OP are written by anyone by that name so I'm unsure who he is and why he'd have sources.
 
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RainRainRain

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This sounds actually really cool. Not sure why so many people have been negative about it. A Star Fox racer really makes sense and would be very different from F Zero. Plus, it might actually be a good game, unlike SF: Zero.
 

EatChildren

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If not this year then early 2019 title I guess. With Smash this year they could probably pace it (even if I'd prefer they didn't). I'm still of the belief that 2018 is a somewhat quiet year on the Switch front, lot of simpler titles, expanded audience, and ports. Smash and maybe Pokémon being their big ones.
 

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I actually really curious why everyone seems to think this game is definitely real to begin with. This topic EXPLODED the other day and I can't help but think it was just a perpetual internet cycle of certain sites reporting on it with other boards freaking out over it and so on and so forth.

If anyone can possibly point me in the right direction as to what started it all I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm trying to research it myself right now but I'm not finding definitive proof.
The OP has no less than 3 major publications all chiming in to say they've heard the game is in development. That's usually a pretty big indicator that it's true.
 

night814

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Well let's see
ARMS
Splatoon 2
FE Warriors
Snippet Clips
Mario Odyssey
were the original games developed and published by Nintendo last year. Maybe I'm missing some smaller ones (I did include snipper clips though).

This year we have
Kirby Star Allies
Mario Tennis
Smash Bros
Pokémon (potentially)

So far we have 3/4 new games by Nintendo. So I dunno maybe the ratio is more disparaged but as far as original games go I think it'll be the same. Potentially even more.
FE warriors is developed by Omega-Force/Team Ninja and only published by Nintendo, good list though! I think it's likely there will be at least another 2-3 games first party games announced by e3.
 

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The OP has no less than 3 major publications all chiming in to say they've heard the game is in development. That's usually a pretty big indicator that it's true.

But I'm trying to find out if what they heard through the grapevine all leads to the same source, which may or may not be a reliable one. I'd really like to know what/who started it all.
 

Vito

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Depends on how you look at it.

There's still more third party announcements coming. And there's still potential ports like Metroid Prime Trilogy and New Super Mario Bros U.

I mean, Go Vacation is literally a Wii port, and that was announced today.
Any game with a 5 in the title on that third party list of ports?

:p
 
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But I'm trying to find out if what they heard through the grapevine all leads to the same source, which may or may not be a reliable one. I'd really like to know what/who started it all.

Well that's impossible as no one is going to out their source and get them fired. But when bigger publications like Eurogamer are confident that something is real there's no reason to immediately shrug them off. Not to say it's guaranteed, but there's plenty of rumors that come and go that larger publications don't ever discuss and even fewer that they actively choose to throw their weight behind. So when that happens it's usually worth paying attention to.
 
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