• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
Sure, but if you put down your controller and do not actively do anything, the other survivors largely won't either. And that's the point I think, where everything revolves around you doing things. Nothing gets done without you actively doing it. You can't form a group of survivors to take on a mission without you. You have to lead that group of survivors on the mission. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
Personally I believe the survivors in the base is a part of the base management aspect of it so I'm not sure what you'd want them to do. I don't think they intend for the base to be "automatic" either, on purpose.

They do defend and attack nearby enemies that pose a threat which is what matters the most.
I do think you're correct on the "send out survivors" part since I've not seen anyone do it.
 

Edge

A King's Landing
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,012
Celle, Germany
I literally just want to select multiplayer, wait 1-2 minutes for a lobby of 4 players to fill up, then go out together.

You can basically do that, you can simply invite people, just not start a lobby with 3 randoms, which is completely understandable and probably for the better, because, besides you, who the fuck would want that? That's not the right game for such a Lobby or for playing with 3 randoms in general. Like I said it's still a single player rpg experience and not a GTA with zombies.
Why would I invite 3 random "assholes" (cause that's what people are, specially in multiplayer experiments without rules like Sea of Thieves, Ark or Conan, if mp games showed us anything than that) into my world where they could take my precious people and drive with them off the cliff? Or just over them and then they are dead forever.

Why would I want to do that? Random people could destroy your whole savegame and do shit with your world, of course that's no option because that's not what the game is about.

If you want to play with new people because you don't know someone who has this game, just use LFG (looking for group) like everyone else. Why people always demand a random player search in so many games instead of just using LFG where you get exactly the people that you want and that fits you the most is beyond me. It doesn't even take longer than a minute. I just don't get it.
 
Last edited:

Remo Williams

Self-requested ban
Banned
Jan 13, 2018
4,769
Sure, but if you put down your controller and do not actively do anything, the other survivors largely won't either. And that's the point I think, where everything revolves around you doing things. Nothing gets done without you actively doing it.

That's not what the first game was like. Obviously, I haven't played the sequel yet.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
You can basically do that, you can simply invite people, just not start a lobby with 3 randoms, which is completely understandable and probably for the better, because, besides you, who the fuck would want that? That's not the right game for such a Lobby or for playing with 3 randoms in general. Like I said it's still a single player rpg experience and not a GTA with zombies.
Why would I invite 3 random "assholes" (cause that's what people are, specially in multiplayer experiments without rules like Sea of Thieves, Ark or Conan, if mp games showed us anything than that) into my world where they could take my precious people and drive with them off the cliff? Or just over them and then they are dead forever.

Why would I do want to do that? Random people could destroy your whole savegame and do shit with your world, of course that's no option because that's not what the game is about.
Oh god.

It would be glorious to see from a distance.
 

Starlatine

533.489 paid youtubers cant be wrong
Member
Oct 28, 2017
30,366
Sure, but if you put down your controller and do not actively do anything, the other survivors largely won't either.

Do you also expect villagers in RTS games to start building your base for you if you dont do anything? Thats a silly thing to complain about imho, the simulation and base management is part of the game
 

ZeroMaverick

Member
Mar 5, 2018
4,432
Hey, hey, hey!

I have a Ryzen 2400G OC'd to 3.89 GHz with 16GB RAM and an RX 580 8GB. Will I be able to run this game well?

I just built this PC, and I haven't played much outside of Divinity 2, PUBG, Kingdom Come, and Fortnite.
 

Edge

A King's Landing
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,012
Celle, Germany
Oh god.

It would be glorious to see from a distance.

I mean, I don't really know, are there at least some limitations for what co-op people can do? Theoretically, they could really damage your last 50 hours of playtime if there aren't boundaries or rules and if they just want to troll. I don't think I will ever use this flare system.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
Hey, hey, hey!

I have a Ryzen 2400G OC'd to 3.89 GHz with 16GB RAM, and an RX 580 8GB. Will I be able to run this game well?

I just built this PC, and I haven't played much outside of Divinity 2, PUBG, Kingdom Come, and Fortnite.
I don't think you'll have issues, but you can see on the windows store if what you got meets minimum or recommended settings as it features a cross and checkmark system for everything but GPU and CPU :)
 

ZeroMaverick

Member
Mar 5, 2018
4,432
I don't think you'll have issues, but you can see on the windows store if what you got meets minimum or recommended settings as it features a cross and checkmark system for everything but GPU and CPU :)

Yeah, I saw that the Windows store does that, but for some reason, it has ??? in the CPU and GPU section. I'm sure I'll be fine, right? Like, I think, the only thing holding me back would be the 2400G. It's a quad-core, 8 thread CPU, but I'm looking at that 2700X and going, "hmmmmm..."
 

Akronis

Prophet of Regret - Lizard Daddy
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,450
You can try using the "wsreset" program or the powershell command and see if the store is corrupt. It solved a issue I had installing something once.

PS Command;
Code:
Get-AppXPackage | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
Gonna take a little while for it to finish but did the trick :)

That is going to reinstall every single App-X package. You can just do this for the Store:

Code:
Get-AppXPackage -Name "Microsoft.WindowsStore" | % {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
 

thevid

Puzzle Master
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,305
That's not what the first game was like. Obviously, I haven't played the sequel yet.

How so? I really do want to give SoD another shot. Sometimes it takes me a couple tries to really get into a game. Happened with Deus Ex and Fallout: New Vegas, and they turned into some of my favorites.

Do you also expect villagers in RTS games to start building your base for you if you dont do anything? Thats a silly thing to complain about imho, the simulation and base management is part of the game

I'm saying I wanted the sim and management part to be a bigger part of the game. In an RTS you can tell your units to do things. In SoD, you have to do those things, as the various characters. I wanted Rimworld mixed with 7 Days to Die. But like I said in the edit, that's what I wanted the game to be, not necessarily a mark against what the game is.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
I mean, I don't really know, are there at least some limitations for what co-op people can do? Theoretically, they could really damage your last 50 hours of playtime if there aren't boundaries or rules and if they just want to troll. I don't think I will ever use this flare system.
I don't think they can do anything with your base, but without having seen it, I do believe they could kill AI survivors if they felt like it, however I don't know.
 

Starlatine

533.489 paid youtubers cant be wrong
Member
Oct 28, 2017
30,366
I'm saying I wanted the sim and management part to be a bigger part of the game. In an RTS you can tell your units to do things.

Like what, exactly? when you're building stuff, you're on the base as well, and it should be based on what you want. why have them do it without your permission? i would be pissed if i returned to base and saw all building slots occupied with bars

if you wanted to tell orders like "go scavenge stuff", that would make the game kinda pointless? why play yourself when you can send people to take all the risk for you. as for defending the base, all videos ive seen show the survivors doing it on their own pretty well

havent played rimworld and 7 ways to die so i'm not exactly getting what you want, sorry for that
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
Yeah, I saw that the Windows store does that, but for some reason, it has ??? in the CPU and GPU section. I'm sure I'll be fine, right? Like, I think, the only thing holding me back would be the 2400G. It's a quad-core, 8 thread CPU, but I'm looking at that 2700X and going, "hmmmmm..."
Mine say "Get more info" on both of those but you shouldn't have to worry about it :P
 

Saganator

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,998
So I've looked at a couple reviews but I'm trying not to look at too much because I want some surprises. Anyone know if the base defense stuff was changed? My main complaint about the first was when I'd go out on a run I'd get bugged about incoming hordes to my base. Got kinda annoying, does that still happen in this game?
 

StayMe7o

Member
May 11, 2018
1,016
Kamurocho
You can try using the "wsreset" program or the powershell command and see if the store is corrupt. It solved a issue I had installing something once.

PS Command;
Code:
Get-AppXPackage | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
Gonna take a little while for it to finish but did the trick :)

Thank you for the help! I've tried those methods and a few other ones but unfortunately, it didn't help.

I just need to find a way to make SoD2 restart the entire download instead of trying to resume from wherever it left off as I think that's where the corruption issue is.
 

thevid

Puzzle Master
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,305
if you wanted to tell orders like "go scavenge stuff", that would make the game kinda pointless?

No? The point is to have fun. In the older Rainbow Six games, you could assign your team a plan and they would execute it to the best of their abilities. If you wanted, you could leave the entire mission execution to them. Or you could play as any member of any team on that mission (8 units divided over three teams). You could enjoy the game however you wanted to. If you wanted to have three teams, assign one to sweep the outer perimeter, another to rescue the hostages, and another to defuse the bomb, you could. And you could just watch it all happen passively. Or on the other extreme, you could have a single unit try to do everything by themselves, with you personally controlling it. Or anything in between. That's something I wanted.

I don't want to be the sole scavenger (I know about supply caches/outposts). I don't want to be the sole person rescuing other survivors. I don't want to be the sole person intercepting hordes. I don't want to be the sole person responsible for every task/event/mission in the game. I want to be able to delegate some of that away.
why play yourself when you can send people to take all the risk for you.

The risks would be the same as if I went personally. They could fail or die, and I would have to face the consequences of whatever delegating I did. Did I send a person with poor stats, no weapon, and no meds to a dangerous area of the map? That's on me and my decision making.
as for defending the base, all videos ive seen show the survivors doing it on their own pretty well

I've never mentioned base defense.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
Thank you for the help! I've tried those methods and a few other ones but unfortunately, it didn't help.

I just need to find a way to make SoD2 restart the entire download instead of trying to resume from wherever it left off as I think that's where the corruption issue is.
Uninstall the game if you have options for it (might be in the start menu > right click > uninstall)

Then on the store go to the top right three dots "..." > My Library > under games click Show All > use the download arrow =)
 

Remo Williams

Self-requested ban
Banned
Jan 13, 2018
4,769
How so? I really do want to give SoD another shot. Sometimes it takes me a couple tries to really get into a game. Happened with Deus Ex and Fallout: New Vegas, and they turned into some of my favorites.

Well, survivors would go out on their own, I would come across them every now and then when exploring. The base would usually defend itself without the need for my intervention, although I'd often thin out the approaching hordes when going out in a car. Of course, other survivors would never do mission-critical stuff on their own, that would be akin to the game playing itself.
 

Charsace

Chicken Chaser
Member
Nov 22, 2017
2,848
I wonder why undead labs can't seem to hammer out bugs? The original game had a small team so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and state of decay is one of my favorite games.

Small bugs I can live with but game breaking bugs that stop you from finishing the game is inexcusable. I hoped with that Microsoft money they would actually have decent QA and release a polished product.

I still I can't wait to play tonight at midnight but man this is disappointing. I hope I don't regret dropping 50$ on this game. I should have known when the devs had no idea about the beta that something was off.
The game play depends on procedure generation a lot in all of it's systems to make SOD dynamic. Dynamic game play systems are hard to balance. Most games have some dynamic physics and you see how buggie that can be. Imagine if all the game systems are built around a procedural design philosophy? Not so easy to balance things.

Lots of people didn't realize how ambitious the first game was and they still don't realize it now.
 

DrBo42

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,760
Last I checked game unlocks in 50 minutes if you switch to New Zealand region in settings.
 

Edge

A King's Landing
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,012
Celle, Germany
Last I checked game unlocks in 50 minutes if you switch to New Zealand region in settings.

Doesn't work if you already pre ordered it somewhere. Only if you bought or buy it in the NZ store.

Games unlock with that time where you bought it. So even if the German version unlocks in 6 hours, I have to wait 12 because I bought it cheaper in the US store.

But Yeah, you could theoretically buy it there in a couple of minutes and play.
 

StayMe7o

Member
May 11, 2018
1,016
Kamurocho
Uninstall the game if you have options for it (might be in the start menu > right click > uninstall)

Then on the store go to the top right three dots "..." > My Library > under games click Show All > use the download arrow =)

Didn't work :/

I guess i'll contact support to see if they can do anything about it.

Edit: As expected, no help. I'm stuck with a $50 digital coaster, wee
 
Last edited:

DrBo42

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,760
Doesn't work if you already pre ordered it somewhere. Only if you bought or buy it in the NZ store.

Games unlock with that time where you bought it. So even if the German version unlocks in 6 hours, I have to wait 12 because I bought it cheaper in the US store.

But Yeah, you could theoretically buy it there in a couple of minutes and play.
Oh have they fixed it since Sea of Thieves? Worked for that.
 

More_Badass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,622
No? The point is to have fun. In the older Rainbow Six games, you could assign your team a plan and they would execute it to the best of their abilities. If you wanted, you could leave the entire mission execution to them. Or you could play as any member of any team on that mission (8 units divided over three teams). You could enjoy the game however you wanted to. If you wanted to have three teams, assign one to sweep the outer perimeter, another to rescue the hostages, and another to defuse the bomb, you could. And you could just watch it all happen passively. Or on the other extreme, you could have a single unit try to do everything by themselves, with you personally controlling it. Or anything in between. That's something I wanted.

I don't want to be the sole scavenger (I know about supply caches/outposts). I don't want to be the sole person rescuing other survivors. I don't want to be the sole person intercepting hordes. I don't want to be the sole person responsible for every task/event/mission in the game. I want to be able to delegate some of that away.


The risks would be the same as if I went personally. They could fail or die, and I would have to face the consequences of whatever delegating I did. Did I send a person with poor stats, no weapon, and no meds to a dangerous area of the map? That's on me and my decision making.


I've never mentioned base defense.
I mean, that's what you're doing in State of Decay. You're not the "sole survivor" doing stuff. You're just controlling the people that the leader of the community (aka the invisible hand of the player) decides to send out to scavenge and do stuff.

You already do the bolded in SoD. Except you get to play as that person with poor stats, no weapon, and no medals in a dangerous part of the map
 

HaNotsri

Usage of alt-account.
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
790
You can basically do that, you can simply invite people, just not start a lobby with 3 randoms, which is completely understandable and probably for the better, because, besides you, who the fuck would want that? That's not the right game for such a Lobby or for playing with 3 randoms in general. Like I said it's still a single player rpg experience and not a GTA with zombies.
Why would I invite 3 random "assholes" (cause that's what people are, specially in multiplayer experiments without rules like Sea of Thieves, Ark or Conan, if mp games showed us anything than that) into my world where they could take my precious people and drive with them off the cliff? Or just over them and then they are dead forever.

Why would I want to do that? Random people could destroy your whole savegame and do shit with your world, of course that's no option because that's not what the game is about.

If you want to play with new people because you don't know someone who has this game, just use LFG (looking for group) like everyone else. Why people always demand a random player search in so many games instead of just using LFG where you get exactly the people that you want and that fits you the most is beyond me. It doesn't even take longer than a minute. I just don't get it.
Because there are awesome Sunbros like me pumping those assholes full of lead. Or at least trying to...
 

thevid

Puzzle Master
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,305
I mean, that's what you're doing in State of Decay. You're not the "sole survivor" doing stuff. You're just controlling the people that the leader of the community (aka the invisible hand of the player) decides to send out to scavenge and do stuff.

You already do the bolded in SoD. Except you get to play as that person with poor stats, no weapon, and no medals in a dangerous part of the map

I know that I'm not technically doing everything. But as I said before, I don't feel like I'm managing a group of survivors, I'm managing a closet of suits that give me powers.

If I come across as a negative nancy, it's because SoD seemed like a dream game for me. It was just really disappointing that it wasn't what I expected and hoped for. But I'll give it another shot, and try to keep an open mind and enjoy it for what it is.
 

More_Badass

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,622
I know that I'm not technically doing everything. But as I said before, I don't feel like I'm managing a group of survivors, I'm managing a closet of suits that give me powers.

If I come across as a negative nancy, it's because SoD seemed like a dream game for me. It was just really disappointing that it wasn't what I expected and hoped for. But I'll give it another shot, and try to keep an open mind and enjoy it for what it is.
I think you'd only get that dream game on PC; something that can shift between the nuanced AI and base management of a Rimworld or Dwarf Fortress and the direct control of a Project Zomboid or Cataclysm
 

StayMe7o

Member
May 11, 2018
1,016
Kamurocho
What exactly is happening?
Got some screenshots?

It starts to download a few megabytes then just stops. If it doesn't make any progress within a couple hours, then I'll just again tomorrow when it's officially released.

I'm not sure if this is normal for preloads on the Microsoft Store, but with Steam and PSN it's usually just instantaneous with no pauses or anything.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
It starts to download a few megabytes then just stops. If it doesn't make any progress within a couple hours, then I'll just again tomorrow when it's officially released.

I'm not sure if this is normal for preloads on the Microsoft Store, but with Steam and PSN it's usually just instantaneous with no pauses or anything.
There shouldn't be any pauses during the downloading.

Do you have a state of decay 2 icon on your windows start menu?
 

StayMe7o

Member
May 11, 2018
1,016
Kamurocho
There shouldn't be any pauses during the downloading.

Do you have a state of decay 2 icon on your windows start menu?

Yep. Tried uninstalling then reinstalling it multiple times, installing to a different drive, wsreset.exe, powershell, running the troubleshooter tool, running Disc Cleanup and talking to support. This type of issue is usually fixed with a reinstall or deleting the files but I can't find where the SoD2 files are.

The Forza 7 demo has no issue with resuming the download so I have no idea what's wrong.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
Yep. Tried uninstalling then reinstalling it multiple times, installing to a different drive, wsreset.exe, powershell, running the troubleshooter tool, running Disc Cleanup and talking to support. This type of issue is usually fixed with a reinstall or deleting the files but I can't find where the SoD2 files are.

The Forza 7 demo has no issue with resuming the download so I have no idea what's wrong.
I'm actually seeing a bunch of people report SoD2 downloads being stuck at 8MB, 26MB, 27.10MB and 46.01MB so it might actually be a backend problem and nothing on your end. I wonder what caused this as it was working fine 4 hours ago.

I'll tag you if I see a fix if you don't get it working but for now I'd just leave it a little bit and see.
 

SpartyCrunch

Xbox
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
2,496
Seattle, WA
Something must've gotten corrupted or damaged on my end: Apps like Mail don't work despite adding my account numerous times, Windows Store lagging my entire system to the point that music would stutter, and the download starts for a bit then just stops abruptly.

I've used the troubleshooter they have and I'm still having issues. Had no issues prior to the new creator's update or whatever came in April. I'll figure it out, though.

You can try using the "wsreset" program or the powershell command and see if the store is corrupt. It solved a issue I had installing something once.

PS Command;
Code:
Get-AppXPackage | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
Gonna take a little while for it to finish but did the trick :)
I'm actually seeing a bunch of people report SoD2 downloads being stuck at 8MB, 26MB, 27.10MB and 46.01MB so it might actually be a backend problem and nothing on your end. I wonder what caused this as it was working fine 4 hours ago.

I'll tag you if I see a fix if you don't get it working but for now I'd just leave it a little bit and see.
Just FYI, it might take a few minutes for the download on PC to get underway since it needs to process a bunch of stuff first. It makes it look like the download is "stuck" sometimes, and it can sometimes happen in the middle of a download too. Resetting the store or running PowerShell commands won't fix this specific issue.

You'll be able to confirm if you're running into this issue by opening Task Manager and looking for wsappx or AppXSvc using a lot of CPU / disk resources.

The workaround to this particular issue is to just let it do its thing and wait a few minutes.
 

StayMe7o

Member
May 11, 2018
1,016
Kamurocho
Try this: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/reset-windows-store-cache.
Or try troubleshooting the windows store, it has a clear cache/reset option

Have tried this several times but as Tecniqe said, it might be a backend issue.

I'm actually seeing a bunch of people report SoD2 downloads being stuck at 8MB, 26MB, 27.10MB and 46.01MB so it might actually be a backend problem and nothing on your end. I wonder what caused this as it was working fine 4 hours ago.

I'll tag you if I see a fix if you don't get it working but for now I'd just leave it a little bit and see.

Thank you! I looked at /r/stateofdecay and saw a couple comments mentioning the same issue.

On the bright side, it seems that spamming the SoD2 icon either forces it to download or maybe they're slowly resolving the issue. It's finally downloading, albeit slowly.

Edit:
Just FYI, it might take a few minutes for the download on PC to get underway since it needs to process a bunch of stuff first. It makes it look like the download is "stuck" sometimes, and it can sometimes happen in the middle of a download too. Resetting the store or running PowerShell commands won't fix this specific issue.

You'll be able to confirm if you're running into this issue by opening Task Manager and looking for wsappx or AppXSvc using a lot of CPU / disk resources.

The workaround to this particular issue is to just let it do its thing and wait a few minutes.

Thank you for this information! I've definitely noticed slowdowns and thought it might've been caused by the download. Good to know for future reference.
 

Tecnniqe

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,743
Antarctica
Just FYI, it might take a few minutes for the download on PC to get underway since it needs to process a bunch of stuff first. It makes it look like the download is "stuck" sometimes, and it can sometimes happen in the middle of a download too. Resetting the store or running PowerShell commands won't fix this specific issue.

You'll be able to confirm if you're running into this issue by opening Task Manager and looking for wsappx or AppXSvc using a lot of CPU / disk resources.

The workaround to this particular issue is to just let it do its thing and wait a few minutes.
That's an interesting thing to note, I've never noticed this happen with all the games I got there so far.

The biggest issue I've run into with the store was "Something happened at our end. Try again later" which was only fixed by that powershell command.
The store is not really great at communicating what's wrong, if anything and how to fix it :/
 

Dbltap

Member
Oct 31, 2017
784
Woodinville, WA
I'm having trouble deciding if I should keep my order.

The game sounds fun but in need of 1 or 2 patches. I've still got half of GoW to play. I know they will work hard to fix the bugs.