Funny you should mention this. This thread reminded me that I've boycotted a burgerbar because the one time I went there the employee was wearing a MAGA-hat. Talk about being okay...
And this was in Denmark...
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Customer harassed by Cheesecake factory employees....for wearing a MAGA Hat
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Funny you should mention this. This thread reminded me that I've boycotted a burgerbar because the one time I went there the employee was wearing a MAGA-hat. Talk about being okay...
And this was in Denmark...
I think it is wrong to harass someone over what they wear. What is OK is to inform the person wearing such idiot, hateful symbol, is why it is idiotic and question that belief, but refrain from harassing. You can also, if it is a place you visit that have MAGA supporters in the staff, just refuse giving them their service (inform them why). If you work for a company and a person comes with a MAGA hat, you can refuse them service, but expect repercussions from your employer.
I also don't think MAGA hat's are comparable to swastikas.
I also don't think MAGA hat's are comparable to swastikas.
Its just for fun. I idolize no one.
Damn dude you opened my eyes.
Surely it should be up to the oppressors to take the first step in that regard? Why should it be up to black people to love the racist KKK, and you know, not up to the KKK to stop being racist?
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Keeping the ranks pure and purge? Sounds like something Nazis would love. You played yourself bro.
Saying conservatives generally believe minorities are subhuman? You should get out more.
"Make America Great Again"
"The Holocaust Didn't Happen"
"LGBT People Deserve To Be Murdered"
"Women Should Be Raped All The Time"
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you tell which thing is not like the others,
By the time I finish my song?
Hey, I agree that it's not exactly and innocent message but to say it's "equivalent" to the others is such a massive reach.
Where I come from there are many initiatives to get disadvantaged young people away from anti-social behavior and help make them, I don't know how to put it, "better". I've participated in such activities and to be honest it can be tough to tolerate these kids at times as they are just... they don't have a good sense of what they shouldn't be doing and why the shouldn't be doing it. No respect for others. No respect for others property etc.
They wider society does "hate" them or at least wants nothing to do with them. You can see why when they are vandalizing stuff and assaulting people and harassing people. You can't just like throw them under the bus though.
In the local area the things these people do, and the effects they have on the lives of others, is worse than any freakin MAGA hat or whatever but we don't suggest going around berating them or assaulting them. We try to reach out and say "OK, lads, you are really ruining peoples quality of life here, can't we talk and try to make things better".
Probably better in this case if the Cheesecake Factory (that sounds f'ing awesome by the way) employees just nudged each other and said "look at this feckin eejit in his MAGA hat, what a clown" and then got on with serving the guy and his family while laughing at him in private.
If you're still supporting Trump now you're doing it with the full knowledge it's tied directly to viewing minorities as scum.
I did not mean all conservatives. I meant Trump and Trumpers.
Yes. That's a nice idea isn't it. You don't live here. You don't have loved ones who are being attacked.
Want to get married to your life partner? "Fuck you faggot"
Want to not get singled out for being black every day of your life and harassed by police? "Shut the fuck up you welfare queen".
A Latino doing back breaking work to support their family? "Go back to Mexico criminal".
I fully reserve the right to punch someone squarely in the fucking face who tout these kind of ideals and attitudes in public. Those are the types of things MAGA actually stands for.
I've never actually been in a fight, but in theory.
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You can do what you like, but since you've never even been in a fight (which is commendable), you probably won't. I don't get all the tough talk around here on the matter. Most of you aren't getting in any fistfights over these hats or seriously approaching anyone over it, yet you want to bug out on people who don't think it's worth the time or try to rile others up to do some shit.
Been in plenty of scraps growing up and it's rarely all that grand when it plays out. Violence is the last thing anyone should want to be involved in. Nothing of value came from these people saying anything to the guy about his stupid ass hat other than them losing their jobs and they'd of all been worst off if they touched him. Much more satisfying when the bigots show their asses and end up fired.
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I'm assuming you practice what you preach and are not virtual signalling.. so you boycott every company that has done buiness with trump and his supporters
If I'm aware of it, I absolutely try to.
I'm already boycotting most food company where I live but it's more that it's generally crap over anything.
I don't go out of my way to do business with neonazi supporting companies either.
It's ok they wouldn't want my money anyway.
e: anyway I don't get the point of the question as there is absolutely no way you could actually verify this anyway.
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I guess I'm just worried about what happens next. We have to live with these people, even after Trump is gone. "Ostracizing" the third of the country that seems to be hardcore Trump supporters no matter what isn't so much ostracizing as it is making permanent a schism in civic institutions that serve right and left. How do we get them back to, at least, Bush-era levels of conservative fuckery, instead of outright hostile to the interests of the American people? I don't know how, but it probably doesn't involve yelling at everyone in a MAGA hat that you see.
In the long run we really only have three choices:
1.) We find a way to reintegrate Trumpistas back into the ideological mainstream (not by condoning racism, of course, but by removing or blunting it so democratic mechanisms will work to check them once again).
2.) We continue on the present course of tit-for-tat constitutional hardball that winds up paralyzing the American government one way or another in the long run.
3.) Civil war.
2 and 3 aren't exactly palatable, and I'm not sure why so many people want to jump straight to 3 when 1 is still on the table.
In the long run we really only have three choices:
1.) We find a way to reintegrate Trumpistas back into the ideological mainstream (not by condoning racism, of course, but by removing or blunting it so democratic mechanisms will work to check them once again).
2.) We continue on the present course of tit-for-tat constitutional hardball that winds up paralyzing the American government one way or another in the long run.
3.) Civil war.
2 and 3 aren't exactly palatable, and I'm not sure why so many people want to jump straight to 3 when 1 is still on the table.
Societal shame is actually a very powerful motivating factor. MAGA people are either ignorant, completely brainwashed or white supremacists in most cases. Or some mix of the three. And there are tens of millions of them. Its not like the government is going to shut down the GOP propaganda machine anytime, so ostracizing people that are dangerous to society is something we as citizens can do to try and break through to these people.
This dude is losing alts like this tree lost branches
I'm not American but about half your population voted for Trump, I mean I fucking hate the guy but is it really that surprising to you to see people supporting this orange prick in public? Reading this forum always feels like such a weird bubble. I want to be strong and firm on the values we hold dear here too but let's not pretend that these people are outliers. Some oft these people are ignorant above all and that's no excuse but if we immediately brand them nazi's they suddenly become aligned with a group while they're just too stupid to understand the facts. I'll continue to believe that at least a portion of these people can be saved, otherwise there's no solution but to nuke half of America; not really an option.
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This seems much more likely, especially since there is no video.
Only around half of the voting population in America voted in the last presidential election, not half of the overall population. Even among the 25% of Trump voters, most of them do not go around wearing those ugly hats in doors.
Fair enough, I'd have to look at the statistics more properly but I wonder if many of the people who didn't vote would've swung it more or less in Drumpf's favor.
What decade are you visiting us from? Unless it's somewhere fancy, no one takes off their hats indoors anymore.
Eugenior (lol) was purposely trying to troll people, and the workers at Cheesecake fell for it. Now they're under the bridge in the unemployment line. Don't let those MAGA clowns mess up your livelihood. Find smarter ways to fight back.
Registering to vote wod be an amazing start.
Registering to vote wod be an amazing start.
Make America Great Again is the one that is not like the others. It's because it is an indirect call for and acts as a symbol for hatred and bigotry while the others are more direct.
I agree with you for the most part.
I guess I was trying to fully explain how little I personally tolerate MAGA hat wearing trolls.
Fights are super dumb for sure. Although I've called out plenty of people in real life for being racist/bigoted, so it would be more like a "do you know what that hat means?" kind of discourse. I'd probably ask the person to leave if the hat wasn't removed. Severely doubt I would ever get physical with someone unless they were out of control.
The idea is that you're only in control of your own actions. Why do things that are only going to invite people to double down on their own hate filled view of the world? I understand protecting you and yours and that if we're talking about an ideal world they have the moral obligation to be the better people. I'm simply saying that if we're looking at things that WE can be doing (not THEM) then actions like this, or similar stories, while satisfying on an emotional level, really aren't doing the world a whole lot of good.
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This dude is losing alts like this tree lost branches
He really really had strong feelings about this subject.
Perfectly accurate descriptions are not hyperbole.
Nice hyperbole.
He probably was eating a plate full of boggrrs and spit if he decided to eat there and I would high five every staff member who participated.
That maga hat is the new symbol of ignorant white supremacists and uncle toms alike. The world is going to treat you accordingly if you wear it in public.
That maga hat is the new symbol of ignorant white supremacists and uncle toms alike. The world is going to treat you accordingly if you wear it in public.
Well i mean....he just wore a hat. He didnt mess up anyone's livelihood The guy who couldn't manage his emotions in a professional setting while being paid did.
I always do, but it's mainly out of habit as my old man always did.
Does anyone else think that what the employees did was wrong?
I mean, the guy can have stupid political views, but, to start harassing him while he is minding his own business makes the employees no different than that guy screaming at latino girls to go back to mexico... "Speak english in mah country!", "Take off that maga hat in my presence!" is no different to me, hate and bigotry comes in all flavors.
But im the kind of person that thinks we should give people the benefit of doubt, unless they make it apparent what they reasoning is, and believe that there are Trump supporters that actually believe the country will be better not because of race issues but economic/structural ones, we are talking about a black guy wearing a MAGA hat.
I could support those employees if it was some guy harassing people, but they really fucked up, hate and bigotry is not the way.
I mean, the guy can have stupid political views, but, to start harassing him while he is minding his own business makes the employees no different than that guy screaming at latino girls to go back to mexico... "Speak english in mah country!", "Take off that maga hat in my presence!" is no different to me, hate and bigotry comes in all flavors.
But im the kind of person that thinks we should give people the benefit of doubt, unless they make it apparent what they reasoning is, and believe that there are Trump supporters that actually believe the country will be better not because of race issues but economic/structural ones, we are talking about a black guy wearing a MAGA hat.
I could support those employees if it was some guy harassing people, but they really fucked up, hate and bigotry is not the way.
Still doesn't change that i don't wish harm to someone that doesn't care about me.
The whole side A is bad and side B is good, then proceed to act like side A does, thing is wrong to me, would be better if side B acts the part and be the better person/side and discern the people from their "side", else you would be in conflict with half the country, considering who won the presidency.
Taking aside the specifics of the hat for a moment, lets say he had a hat with a racist slogan on it. Is that 'just a hat' as many have put it or is that harassing behavior in and of itself?
He shouldn't face threats. He shouldn't face racial discrimination, but this really comes down to whether or not you see him as instigating trouble by wearing that hat indoors, or whether you think he was doing nothing but minding his own business.
Is it as bad as screaming at people to speak English to tell someone to take off something that isn't questionably racist? Like someone with a swastika armband... if I demand someone remove that, and I as bad as the guy yelling at workers in that coffee shop? Does it matter what that armband means to the person wearing it, or is that irrelevant here?
Even as someone who would love to throw a cup of scalding hot coffee in the face of anyone who wears that goddamn stupid hat, I have to agree with this. Sometimes it sucks to admit things like this, but to not do so is disingenuous.
This dude is losing alts like this tree lost branches
Totally off topic but that parking lot looks EERILY like the one at the start of Silent Hill 2:
MAGA has a layer of obfuscation on it. The others don't.
Totally off topic but that parking lot looks EERILY like the one at the start of Silent Hill 2:
Ewww the HD edition
I dont know man, what im trying to say is that people should be better, else we will come to a point where we instigate harm to someone because of their clothing/beliefs or the meaning behind their clothings or whatever radical ideology starts going, when we demostrate those people that there are other ways besides hate and harm, they, us and everyone will be better.
but to clarify, what i meant is that hate and bigotry is the same whoever it comes from, not the specific actions the harassers did, if i get bothered and so triggered to harass someone because someone is speaking spanish is the same to me as being so bothered and triggered by someone wearing a maga hat, I can understand being like "come on dude!".
I bolded what i meant above.
You just repeated yourself.
Hating someone for speaking Spanish and hating someone for being a MAGAer are not the same.
Eh, show up wearing a swastika and be prepared to be accosted. Same shit as MAGA as far as I'm concerned. Constitution and american law has so much "reasonable" shit written into it, that should be fair game. A reasonable person in 2018 shouldn't think the current situation is okay so if you're a racist psychopath then get fucked. Else, let's do some major overhaul on the constitution to get these crazy vague "reasonable" workarounds out at the same time as we remove constitutionally approved sexism, racism, and discrimination from the sacred text.
Do you really believe that the swastika is equivalent to a MAGA hat?
Do you really think that both symbols are on the same level?
This isn't me defending the orange guy in the White House at all (I think America has made a mistake) nor negating the rhetoric spewed by his base.
But it feels like a false equivalency to me.