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Black Mantis

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Oct 30, 2017
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Love the gameplay of SoD, so I'll put up with the bugs, but this is another prime example of MS not ensuring their titles are shown in the best light. Hopefully the day one patch improves things, but it's too late from a review perspective.
 

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Oct 24, 2017
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For everyone talking about MS not giving UL enough time:

SOD2 had a fairly long development time. There is little chance "a few more months" would make any difference.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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There are other budget titles that have released in recent years, many of which have had tremendous amounts of polish. Being a budget title doesn't absolve the game of core issues like bugs that negatively impact gameplay.

Not heard of this before and just checked it out on steam, it looks very interesting. Thanks for mentioning it.

Open world or generally "big" (in terms of virtual space to explore) indie games are very buggy and junky, actually. Look at the state PUBG, ARK, The Culling, the first State Of Decay even when they reached 1.0. The first game got quite a cult following despite being a janky little XBLA game. This one is a sequel to that sold at a budget price. Gameplay videos were very clear: this is still a janky experience, but the things that made the first game great are also back with a vengeance. Unless there are MAJOR technical issues or critical problems not specifically mentioned in any of the reviews above, it seems like the same as SoD 1.
 

SilentRage47

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Oct 27, 2017
161
Italy
I'll try it with GamePass this month and then I'll stop my sub until SoT has content and this is fixed.
The service seems a lot like paying for 'AAA' early access games as of right now.
 
Oct 27, 2017
440
Seattle
Isn't a eurogamer "avoid" classed as a 2-3 on MC?

I thought when they dropped numbered scores they were no longer on Metacritic? Either way, I believe it's the lowest rating they can give.
The Eurogamer review is listed on Metacritic in the "unscored reviews" section.

For everyone talking about MS not giving UL enough time:

SOD2 had a fairly long development time. There is little chance "a few more months" would make any difference.
Unfortunately, this seems pretty accurate to me.
 

Manta_Breh

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May 16, 2018
2,554
Shame about the scores and bugs, I havnt followed this game much (Dont have an xbox) but a couple of the videos I saw at E3 etc it looked like it had a lot of promise and would be a fun co-op romp.
 

Dphex

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Oct 27, 2017
12,811
Cologne, Germany
i really wonder why there are 85/100 reviews if the game is so bugged as it is described in the Eurogamer review...games should be judged on their "now status" not "after patches in a few months it will be great"
 

ElBoxy

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Oct 25, 2017
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This had roughly almost 4 years of development time so I don't see how it was rushed. It just seems like prioritize were checked somewhere else instead of cleaning up bugs.
 
Oct 27, 2017
440
Seattle
Why? Consoles arent far behind now. Master race bullshit needs to stop.

It will be the same experience, these guys arent exactly masters of their craft.
No, it'll score higher on PC. It seems to run much smoother on PC, at least. That along with the smaller review sample size will likely result in a Metacritic score a fair bit higher. Hardly the score most people will be looking at but...
 

Arklite

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Oct 27, 2017
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Eurogamer:
"...because like so many open worlds, State of Decay 2 is much more about things, property and busywork than it is about people. One key problem is that in practice, you are the world's only moving part. Aside from throwing tantrums and randomly producing the odd consumable item, survivors essentially do nothing when not under your control - they won't even shut the base gate to keep the undead out."
This was also a problem with Metal Gear Survive, though your community did have some options in that you could assign certain teams to go out and scavenge for supplies in different missions. It does kill some of the communal feel when your companions seem so static.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Jesus some of these reviews man. If it's really that bug ridden, why not delay it until it's all smoothened out?

As it stands now it's still the Forza franchise, Halo and Gears where you can expect it to be fine as in polished and little real glaring issues. MS really needs more studios like that.
 

Sylmaron

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Oct 28, 2017
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This stand out more and more when the competition is delivering polished exclusives. MS really needs to reconsider releasing games in this state.
 

Jaxar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Australia
I see reviews mentioning it feels like a budget title. Well... it is? It costs 30$, it's basically an indie game, expecting GTA-esque polish from it seems odd.

It could be a $5 game, but if it is launched in a buggy state then reviewers are still going to knock it for it. The retail price is not an excuse for launching an unfinished or unpolished game.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Seems really weird to review a game and mark it down on things that can be fixed by patches etc. I only played a small chunk of SoD but since SoD2 appears on Gamepass, I will give it a shot.
 
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Napalm_Frank

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Oct 27, 2017
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i really wonder why there are 85/100 reviews if the game is so bugged as it is described in the Eurogamer review...games should be judged on their "now status" not "after patches in a few months it will be great"
Ben Moore of EZA had an interesting conversation on that some time ago. What to do when you review a game and personally don't encounter any big bugs but it's supposed to be full of them?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Seattle
i really wonder why there are 85/100 reviews if the game is so bugged as it is described in the Eurogamer review...games should be judged on their "now status" not "after patches in a few months it will be great"
People can and will feel very differently about the same elements of a work. For some, the bugs might be easier to forgive or forget; for others, they might be incredibly frustrating and off-putting. Not really an objective matter.
 

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Oct 24, 2017
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Seems really weird to review a game and mark it down on things that can be fixed by patches etc. I only played a small chunk of SoD but since SoD2 appears on Gamepass, I will give it a shot.
Wait, what? Why in the world is that weird?

They should review the game that is, not the game that might be.
 

KORNdog

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Oct 30, 2017
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There is little chance "a few more months" would make any difference.

i guess we'll find out if/when they release bug fixes in a few more months.

tbh this feels like a recore situation to me. a game that should have been more than it turned out to be. i'll wait to see if they fix the issues.
 

TsuWave

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Oct 27, 2017
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Seems decayed alright.

Never thought it would review ridiculously well, but according to these reviews it's incredibly buggy. Hopefully it gets adequate support with patches so those that like it may enjoy it/have fun without said bugs getting in the way.
 

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Open world or generally "big" (in terms of virtual space to explore) indie games are very buggy and junky, actually. Look at the state PUBG, ARK, The Culling, the first State Of Decay even when they reached 1.0. The first game got quite a cult following despite being a janky little XBLA game. This one is a sequel to that sold at a budget price. Gameplay videos were very clear: this is still a janky experience, but the things that made the first game great are also back with a vengeance. Unless there are MAJOR technical issues or critical problems not specifically mentioned in any of the reviews above, it seems like the same as SoD 1.

Considering the fact that they have Microsoft's backing and have been given more budget & time is it not fair to expect that the situation should evolve and improve from the first game? Some of the reviews do mention major issues BTW.

Would having more staff have helped produce a less buggy game?

Depends on what those extra people are assigned to do... You can hire all the people in the world but if all you do is get them to add more features on top of the already buggy framework then the outcome doesn't really change.
 

Gamer17

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Oct 30, 2017
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Jesus some of these reviews man. If it's really that bug ridden, why not delay it until it's all smoothened out?

As it stands now it's still the Forza franchise, Halo and Gears where you can expect it to be fine as in polished and little real glaring issues. MS really needs more studios like that.
imagine the state crackdown 3 is in, that this and SOT were released without extra time but they keep delaying the crackdown 3 .

Sony just delayed the days gone by almost a year when few elements needed more polish like transition from gameplay to cut scenes .
 

Fliesen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ben Moore of EZA had an interesting conversation on that some time ago. What to do when you review a game and personally don't encounter any big bugs but it's supposed to be full of them?
You rate it based on your experience, those who did encounter bugs rate it based on theirs.
Review aggregators will paint a somewhat accurate picture of the actual quality of the product.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Wait, what? Why in the world is that weird?

They should review the game that is, not the game that might be.

Game breaking bugs that delete game saves, crash a game, or destroy progress etc should be marked down. A few oddities with stuff going on should be mentioned but should not drop a review so badly. Personal opinion of course.
 

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Oct 24, 2017
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Game breaking bugs that delete game saves, crash a game, or destroy progress etc should be marked down. A few oddities with stuff going on should be mentioned but should not drop a review so badly. Personal opinion of course.
But it negatively affected the reviews experience. How can not not effect the score? It made the game less fun for them.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Seems really weird to review a game and mark it down on things that can be fixed by patches etc. I only played a small chunk of SoD but since SoD2 appears on Gamepass, I will give it a shot.

This is absurd. There is no guarantee that any of the bugs will be fixed, so for what reason should reviewers assume that in good faith?