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Solo: A Star Wars Story Review Thread (Embargo lift Tuesday 5/15 2pm PST) NO SPOILERS
- Thread starter ManaByte
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Sigh. Mutilated and downtrodden in a galaxy far far away.
I think if you grabbed all the raw improv-heavy footage from Ragnarok roughly 80% of the way through filming, then had somebody with no real background in comedy/improv try to edit that into a tonally coherent movie, it would pretty easy to be unsatisfied with the footage and label it as too silly. If the rumors are true, Lord and Miller had that exact thing happen to them, they even offered to put together their own cut, were flatly denied and fired.
Ultimately, I don't know which set of rumors are true, or which version of the movie would have been better, but I think we can all agree there is no real bad guy here, not Lord and Miller or Kasdan and Kennedy. A lot of passionate well intentioned folks went into this movie wanting the best film they could make, and in the end, just didn't agree on how to accomplish that.
On the plus side, we got Donald Glover as Lando and a Ron Howard directed Star Wars movie, so I'll happily clutch my gold dice collectable at the Solo fan event next week and just hope we'll eventually get a Star Wars Ragnarok somewhere down the line.
I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. That's not even what I was talking about
Is the big spoiler for this movie story related and can expand the universe or is it more of a single scene that's simply cool to see?
User Banned (24 Hours): Continued taunting of users about spoilers in a no-spoilers thread
Hey you keep sticking around this thread you might get lucky again
Let's not talk about the spoiler anymore, alright? When the movie is out next week we can have a spoiler thread, but this is a review thread and extended discussion of that spoiler will just lead to it resurfacing again.
FUCK. Clicked on that spoiler thinking i wouldn't care. Damn that would have been a good surprise.
Jeremy Jahns tore into this movie. I usually agree with a lot of his reviews so let's see how it goes. I'll check it out after my exams.
Jeremy Jahns tore into this movie. I usually agree with a lot of his reviews so let's see how it goes. I'll check it out after my exams.
True, but I think something like Ragnarok goes down easier in the MCU, especially after a proven movie like Guardians hits it big. A lot of the source material was already wacky before it made it to the big screen. SW has no precedent for that.. and I really have no interest in seeing it done.
Everything else you said I agree with.
I mean, there is certainly cause for concern when a movie is too improv heavy or too focused on getting a million takes. One of the reasons Ghostbusters didn't work as well as it could have was because Paul Feig was way too focused on "letting the women be funny" by just letting them riff six million times and picking the take he liked the best, rather than writing actual dialogue and allowing the actresses to nail that with a few improv/ad-lib takes for alternative options.
But at the same time, I do feel like Lucasfilm (or really, probably Kasdan himself) jumped the gun by assuming Lord and Miller's take was doomed to be a bad one just because it was more inherently comedic. I would've loved a straight heist comedy set in the Star Wars universe.
I mean, you have no logical reason for feeling this way lol, you haven't seen a lick of their footage.
If the literal reason Kennedy fired L&M was "the movie was gonna be too funny", I think it was a mistake to let them go. Disney needs to be comfortable enough to realize that a full-on comedy set in the Star Wars universe is not a bad thing. Star Wars does not need to be taken so bloody seriously - the fans, and Lucasfilm, could all stand to lighten up about it a bit.
I would have loved to see what they came up with. But they also canned their work when the film was almost done shooting so I'm guessing it probably wasn't very good, for whatever reason.
Yeah, the fact they waited until shooting was almost done and then pulled the plug and started over is just...I honestly don't know what to make of it. Unless the rumor I heard of Kasdan pitching a fit after a late-filming set visit and threatening to walk unless the film was redone in the style he wanted was true, at which point I could almost believe it.
But at the same time...Kasdan doesn't, or shouldn't, have that much power in Hollywood. It doesn't seem believable that him flipping out over the situation would cause such a heavy reshuffling of the creative process and convince Kennedy to just throw out almost a full movie worth of shot footage to start over. The cost is just way too high.
So I don't know. I still want my straight comedy Star Wars movie though. I'm tired of every Star Wars movie being treated like an epic.
I doubt he was the reason it went down the way it did. I don't think KK would allow him that much power.. it's not in the interest of LF or Disney to do that, considering they were almost done with filming. I could see if maybe it happened earlier on and KK felt like it wasn't a good work environment, that would make sense but for her to just be like "ok Larry, we'll reshoot it all for you" is absurd in theory.
I would love to see a comedy in the SW universe, but it would have to be approached in a more subtle manner than say Gurdians, IMO. I think using Solo/Chewie/Lando to do it is a bad move though. Which is why I think it got scrapped.
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It would destroy their careers, probably, but an optimistic part of me hopes they kept enough of their footage to make a workprint for us to enjoy.
This guy, Roz Weston, who on this board I remember seeing a video posted of him hating The Last Jedi, liked Solo, especially Chewbacca in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrYDk2zOz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrYDk2zOz0
You people need to realize that 90% of reviewers don't give a rat's ass about you.
You either take their recommendation or leave 'em.
I've got quite a few that I don't quite agree with but can accept. Like Hope and Last Jedi being so high. Return soo low. But the real crime is Menace being sooo fucking low, even lower than Clones. There is not a single fucking dimension that Menace is worse than Clones which is the only real bonafide stinker. I actually think Sith is mediocre too and below Menace but I can accept some people thinkin otherwise. Clones tho fuck me.
Maybe their friends lose credibility to and they just stop using all media.
Solo was both a passion project for Kasdan and potentially his swan song to Star Wars, supposedly part of his involvement with the new trilogy is directly tied to him getting Solo made, he also has a long standing relationship with Kennedy.
One of the rumors that predates the firing was that their version was good, but not the type of movie the makes a studio comfortable... so if they had this wild version that the studio is unsure of, Kasdan is very unhappy and has real pull with the project, and Lord and Miller are dangerously close to that directors guild "90% rule", it starts to become understandable why they were fired and the footage was tossed.
The extensive reshoots made Kasdan happy, retooled the movie into something that made Lucasfilm less nervous, and most importantly, ensured Lord and Miller couldn't come back on Lucasfilm with any damaging DGA rule after the fact.
All those fence-sitting shitters that didn't give it a 10 or a 1 smhThis legit made me laugh.
Cheebo is wrong about the planet the scene happens on, but the critic is also incorrect in the way he describes it.
I'm really hoping this is better than Rogue One. I could use a Star Wars movie that doesn't leave me feeling dead when I leave the theater.
HOLY SHIT That Spoiler
This is the story Lawrence Kasdan wanted you to receive "word for word", a story that needed to be told...
LMAO.
Wakanda Forever.
This is the story Lawrence Kasdan wanted you to receive "word for word", a story that needed to be told...
LMAO.
Wakanda Forever.
But guys I was told user ratings were reliableThis legit made me laugh.
Also fuck that spoiler talk, just stop ffs.
I had to laugh when someone said user scores were a good indication of a film's quality earlier in the thread.This legit made me laugh.
They should feel that way, from what I have read and listened to, the script isn't anything special
But we were told before in other threads that there is no such thing as people mass voting for a movie they didn't see just to effect the score! It's clearly more reliable than the studio's paid for scientifically polled services like CinemaScore.
But, in an ironic, yet completely expected twist, when Michael K. Williams was still slated to be the bad guy, he was going to be full CGI.
Someone who saw the movie posted in this thread and said Chaw was wrong about that scene.
Centrists and moderates are terrible.This legit made me laugh.
That's so stupid.
Of all the characters you bring back for a Solo film, Darth Maul? The one-note villain who was dispatched in the same movie he was introduced, who was basically just the henchman of the actual main villain? Sure, he survived in the cartoon, but only like 10% of your audience has seen those. I would've expected Boba Fett or Jabba the Hutt or literally anyone else.
Yep and it gets worse. From what I heard,
he is Solo's love interests secret gangster boss and we see him only in a cryptic hologram form. We have a Han Solo prequel movie where Darth Maul is hinted at being the big bad for the next movies, this is the timeline we live in. Again, I didn't see it yet so it may play out better than it sounds, because lol
The problem there is when the recent SW films have attempted humor, you get shit like the TLJ intro, the squid scene in TFA, or whatever they had Benicio go for
And someone legit swore by user reviews earlier in the thread lolThis legit made me laugh.
Spoiler tags are easy to use amd identify, saying no spoilers for a review thread is more to indicate open spoilers aren't tolerated and it's a safe space for spoilerphobes who don't click on spoiler tags