Is it stupid the guy wore the hat to a restaurant? Yes. It's so tasteless its ludicrous, but it's his right to do so. Do the people that insulted him have the right to do so? Yes. But they have to understand that they are now giving fodder to the right saying look how crass and inhumane these people are that they are now attacking us when with family. It gives them an opportunity to play the victim, something that they will happily use to fuel their arguments.
I'm ok with this
Woah, Im at work and didn't expect all these responses. I know everyone is passionate about all this. As a middle eastern man I see hatred come towards me on a regularly basis, but my parents always taught me to treat everyone with respect, everyone gets the same amount of respect, what they do with that dictates if they get more or less. I mean I'm not saying treat them all good because they're all the best people on earth, I'm saying this guy was at dinner with his family. There's a time and a place and these people attacking him just makes the people on the left look bad.
Yes. There are no protections for political positions when it comes to whether or not someone can throw you out of their establishment. I mean, that's long established before that judgement (where the patron tried to claim it was a religious expression), but that's the way it is.
And I understand fully why people feel like that, but we cant allow ourselves to just generalize people like that. Like I said I help people on a regular basis that are far right and far left. I don't judge them, the few that kinda fall in between that I've talked politics with about that voted for trump, were misguided and realize that now when they see that their vote was a mistake. The problem comes when we then just over generalize people for it.
I understand that, people need to make their voice heard, but I don't know how far we can get as a country if we're at each others throats like this. With stuff like this too it fuels their press cycles, when it's a dead news day at Fox, they're then forced to talk about all the stuff normal news companies talk about. But when it's something like this no normal news cares, but Fox is all over it, hiding more of what's actually happening in politics behind something stupid like this. At least when stuff like this doesn't happen, then they're at least forced to boot up their propaganda machine and apply a little spin to what's happening with the white house.I think the thing is that...this is exactly what the right is counting on. They either do this shit and get called out and whine about being called out, or we say nothing when they do it and they feel empowered to keep doing this shit.
That's correct, but that´s NYC so do not know about other places in the USA, also see:
So, under that perspective, the employees were right in their desire to not have him there and could thrown him out. The issue is that, if the reports are to be believed 100%, they exaggerated in their demeanor, which was aggressive.
Not allowing MAGA hats should be policy of every food vendor in America (and i mean the continent).
Well, it'd have to be a manager's call, and even then it'd need to be inline with the restaurant owners. I don't think everyone working at the restaurant has the right. It's a thing the proprietor decides.That's correct, but that´s NYC so do not know about other places in the USA, also see:
So, under that perspective, the employees were right in their desire to not have him there and could thrown him out. The issue is that, if the reports are to be believed 100%, they exaggerated in their demeanor, which was aggressive.
Not allowing MAGA hats should be policy of every food vendor in America (and i mean the continent).
The issue might be that they harassed him and used racial slurs.
That shouldn't be defended in any aspect.
Well, it'd have to be a manager's call, and even then it'd need to be inline with the restaurant owners. I don't think everyone working at the restaurant has the right. It's a thing the proprietor decides.
I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.No, I can generalize people over this. I hate this subtle false equivalence going on here between people who are actively voting for a bigot and groups of peoples that are based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion. I know you're most likely not doing it consciously or on purpose, but it is happening. I don't care what your personal reasons are for voting for a bigot. You are still voting for a bigot. You help a bigot get into power and I'm not going to be happy about it. I'm not going to coddle you. I'm not going to think you were misguided. I'm going to think you are a bigot at most, or alright with it at least. Simple as that. You don't get to claim a non-bigoted reason for voting for a bigot when the result to me is all the same.
I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
See as someone who gets called a terrorist regularly. I see the bad side of generalizing. You can choose to not see it, I understand why a lot of people don't, but as a victim of generalizations and stereotypes it's a dangerous road to go down. No matter the intentions.Oh no, a possible future where brown people aren't called terrorists or animals! Ugh, a future where black people can barbecue in the park or sit in their cars, or even in a Starbucks?! I can't continue living without corporations funneling money directly to the President!
You heard it here first, guys. Vote for the bigot if you're afraid of a future in which minorities are accosted by hate groups, you aren't exploited by companies, you get universal healthcare, free tuition, true equality, and increased social mobility. It's a terrible future.I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
See as someone who gets called a terrorist regularly. I see the bad side of generalizing. You can choose to not see it, I understand why a lot of people don't, but as a victim of generalizations and stereotypes it's a dangerous road to go down. No matter the intentions.
I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
People are generalizing you based on how you look. People generalizing those who have taken an active step in voting for a bigot can be generalized, just like I can generalize nazis as bad people. There is a difference between a protected class and political affiliation.See as someone who gets called a terrorist regularly. I see the bad side of generalizing. You can choose to not see it, I understand why a lot of people don't, but as a victim of generalizations and stereotypes it's a dangerous road to go down. No matter the intentions.
Welcome you already live in the future. So please keep it that way and don't make it worse. Try to improve on the issues and don't overstate the cause.Oh no, a possible future where brown people aren't called terrorists or animals! Ugh, a future where black people can barbecue in the park or sit in their cars, or even in a Starbucks?! I can't continue living without corporations funneling money directly to the President!
You're saying that brown people aren't called terrorists?Welcome you already live in the future. So please keep it that way and don't make it worse. Try to improve on the issues and don't overstate the cause.
Welcome you already live in the future. So please keep it that way and don't make it worse. Try to improve on the issues and don't overstate the cause.
Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...You heard it here first, guys. Vote for the bigot if you're afraid of a future in which minorities are accosted by hate groups, you aren't exploited by companies, you get universal healthcare, free tuition, true equality, and increased social mobility. It's a terrible future.
I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
Yup, me generalizing those who are taking an active purely voluntary part in bigotry is the same as nazis generalizing people based on race. You got me there. How could I ever live with myself?Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...
And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.
Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.
GET YOUR HOT SOCIALISM BUZZWORDSLol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...
And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.
Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.
You can't say it's how I look. It's actually because of my last name. You can say that Nazis are bad I will not defend them nor will you find me defending them ever. However I can only reiterate what I've already said so many different ways. You're arguing with someone who's pleading for peace, I'm not telling you to go out and hug a white supremacist. Im just saying a man eating should be at least given the same privacy that any of us expect.People are generalizing you based on how you look. People generalizing those who have taken an active step in voting for a bigot can be generalized, just like I can generalize nazis as bad people. There is a difference between a protected class and political affiliation.
Yeah this, I wish Americans would start putting some effort into fixing this two party system they have that causes nothing but trouble creating extreme divides. Even between people who actually aren't so different. But I never see any Americans talking about it, it's never a talking point in here for example. It's either that people are too used to it and it's the American way or they just enjoy it too much because of how simple it makes to label people. But it's not a good system by any means.I mean I definitely would have cast a dirty look at the hat but as long as the guy wasn't doing anything or being hateful I feel like the employees shouldn't have done anything. If they really did harrass him I have no problem with them being fired as thats unprofessional. I haven't read the whole thread so I may have missed something though. I do feel like wearing a maga hat is indirectly supporting hate speech, but I'm not sure just having a hat is on the level as other hate symbols. Yet. But that's mostly because I know a lot of the people who wear them are just party loyalty idiots, I might be being generous.
Okay, not based on your look but on your last name (which is still bigotry and out of your control). I'm with you in finding peace, I want you to realize that generalizing voters based on who they vote for is A-OK and perfectly fine. They are literally making a choice and I can and will judge them for that.You can't say it's how I look. It's actually because of my last name. You can say that Nazis are bad I will not defend them nor will you find me defending them ever. However I can only reiterate what I've already said so many different ways. You're arguing with someone who's pleading for peace, I'm not telling you to go out and hug a white supremacist. Im just saying a man eating should be at least given the same privacy that any of us expect.
Excuse me, what's this supposed to mean? Are you saying nazis were socialists?
One side sees minorities and LGBTQ as subhuman. And women as baby making objects for men to control.Yeah this, I wish Americans would start putting some effort into fixing this two party system they have that causes nothing but trouble creating extreme divides. Even between people who actually aren't so different.
Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...
And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.
Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.
Oh my god this is fucking perfect.
Thanks for the demonstration of what I just said.One side sees minorities and LGBTQ as subhuman. And women as baby making objects for men to control.
They are pretty fucking different than me.
I get the MAGA hat is a symbol at this point, but comparing to to THOSE symbols is just irresponsible in my opinion.
Translation: I'm scared of a possible future where the white race will no longer be dominant, and that I will be treated exactly the same way I have always treated darker-skinned people!I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
Yeah you're probably right. Progressives are the real problem. How dumb are we for fighting against hate?
I've got nothing but respect for those employees, publicly shaming racist-supporting scum at the risk of their jobs. I have zero respect for the MAGA-hat wearing troll.The punishment of the employees was warranted, but they'd get a high-five from me regardless. When someone wears a MAGA hat you can pretty much guarantee that they're a hateful piece of shit. It takes every ounce of my patience not to call them out when I see them.