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PlanetSmasher

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Is it stupid the guy wore the hat to a restaurant? Yes. It's so tasteless its ludicrous, but it's his right to do so. Do the people that insulted him have the right to do so? Yes. But they have to understand that they are now giving fodder to the right saying look how crass and inhumane these people are that they are now attacking us when with family. It gives them an opportunity to play the victim, something that they will happily use to fuel their arguments.

I think the thing is that...this is exactly what the right is counting on. They either do this shit and get called out and whine about being called out, or we say nothing when they do it and they feel empowered to keep doing this shit.
 

Jtendo '82

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If you start some shit with someone in public just because they have a MAGA hat on, if you get your ass beat, you deserved it.

And you'll be lucky if it's just a simple ass beating you get. Idiots.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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They lost their jobs but they're not wrong. I hope they were prepared for that consequence but took the risk to do the right thing anyway, because being fired was fairly likely here. That maga hat is the same as being a brown shirt; everyone knows what it means and it is not acceptable or simply a "political view".
 
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HStallion

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Woah, Im at work and didn't expect all these responses. I know everyone is passionate about all this. As a middle eastern man I see hatred come towards me on a regularly basis, but my parents always taught me to treat everyone with respect, everyone gets the same amount of respect, what they do with that dictates if they get more or less. I mean I'm not saying treat them all good because they're all the best people on earth, I'm saying this guy was at dinner with his family. There's a time and a place and these people attacking him just makes the people on the left look bad.

The people on the left look bad to the right when they call out their blatant hypocrisy, their needless cruelty, their major blind spots, their prideful ignorance and so on. Basically just talking to the right by the left triggers them to no end as everything that is said is condescending, attacking or blah blah blah hateful. Think on that.
 
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Really? Wow. Even for just wearing the hat?

That's correct, but that´s NYC so do not know about other places in the USA, also see:


Yes. There are no protections for political positions when it comes to whether or not someone can throw you out of their establishment. I mean, that's long established before that judgement (where the patron tried to claim it was a religious expression), but that's the way it is.


So, under that perspective, the employees were right in their desire to not have him there and could thrown him out. The issue is that, if the reports are to be believed 100%, they exaggerated in their demeanor, which was aggressive.

Not allowing MAGA hats should be policy of every food vendor in America (and i mean the continent).
 

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And I understand fully why people feel like that, but we cant allow ourselves to just generalize people like that. Like I said I help people on a regular basis that are far right and far left. I don't judge them, the few that kinda fall in between that I've talked politics with about that voted for trump, were misguided and realize that now when they see that their vote was a mistake. The problem comes when we then just over generalize people for it.

No, I can generalize people over this. I hate this subtle false equivalence going on here between people who are actively voting for a bigot and groups of peoples that are based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion. I know you're most likely not doing it consciously or on purpose, but it is happening. I don't care what your personal reasons are for voting for a bigot. You are still voting for a bigot. You help a bigot get into power and I'm not going to be happy about it. I'm not going to coddle you. I'm not going to think you were misguided. I'm going to think you are a bigot at most, or alright with it at least. Simple as that. You don't get to claim a non-bigoted reason for voting for a bigot when the result to me is all the same.
 

taco543

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I think the thing is that...this is exactly what the right is counting on. They either do this shit and get called out and whine about being called out, or we say nothing when they do it and they feel empowered to keep doing this shit.
I understand that, people need to make their voice heard, but I don't know how far we can get as a country if we're at each others throats like this. With stuff like this too it fuels their press cycles, when it's a dead news day at Fox, they're then forced to talk about all the stuff normal news companies talk about. But when it's something like this no normal news cares, but Fox is all over it, hiding more of what's actually happening in politics behind something stupid like this. At least when stuff like this doesn't happen, then they're at least forced to boot up their propaganda machine and apply a little spin to what's happening with the white house.
 

Ravensmash

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That's correct, but that´s NYC so do not know about other places in the USA, also see:





So, under that perspective, the employees were right in their desire to not have him there and could thrown him out. The issue is that, if the reports are to be believed 100%, they exaggerated in their demeanor, which was aggressive.

Not allowing MAGA hats should be policy of every food vendor in America (and i mean the continent).

The issue might be that they harassed him and used racial slurs.

That shouldn't be defended in any aspect.
 

plagiarize

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's correct, but that´s NYC so do not know about other places in the USA, also see:





So, under that perspective, the employees were right in their desire to not have him there and could thrown him out. The issue is that, if the reports are to be believed 100%, they exaggerated in their demeanor, which was aggressive.

Not allowing MAGA hats should be policy of every food vendor in America (and i mean the continent).
Well, it'd have to be a manager's call, and even then it'd need to be inline with the restaurant owners. I don't think everyone working at the restaurant has the right. It's a thing the proprietor decides.
 

roboleon

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If you willingly walk around as a poster boy for modern age fascism/white supremacy/bigotry/racism, please don't be shocked at people telling you to get well and properly fucked.
 
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The issue might be that they harassed him and used racial slurs.

That shouldn't be defended in any aspect.

True, but we only have one side of the story and something tells me that the employees were also black, this is something FOX don't say and i don't know how the black community sees/feels calling another black person racial slurs with the intent to offend.

Well, it'd have to be a manager's call, and even then it'd need to be inline with the restaurant owners. I don't think everyone working at the restaurant has the right. It's a thing the proprietor decides.

Yeah, that kind of policies fall within upper management. But they should (and could) make decisions like that.
 

Soony Xbone Uhh

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No, I can generalize people over this. I hate this subtle false equivalence going on here between people who are actively voting for a bigot and groups of peoples that are based on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion. I know you're most likely not doing it consciously or on purpose, but it is happening. I don't care what your personal reasons are for voting for a bigot. You are still voting for a bigot. You help a bigot get into power and I'm not going to be happy about it. I'm not going to coddle you. I'm not going to think you were misguided. I'm going to think you are a bigot at most, or alright with it at least. Simple as that. You don't get to claim a non-bigoted reason for voting for a bigot when the result to me is all the same.
I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
 

PMS341

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I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.

Oh no, a possible future where brown people aren't called terrorists or animals! Ugh, a future where black people can barbecue in the park or sit in their cars, or even in a Starbucks?! I can't continue living without corporations funneling money directly to the President!
 

taco543

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Oh no, a possible future where brown people aren't called terrorists or animals! Ugh, a future where black people can barbecue in the park or sit in their cars, or even in a Starbucks?! I can't continue living without corporations funneling money directly to the President!
See as someone who gets called a terrorist regularly. I see the bad side of generalizing. You can choose to not see it, I understand why a lot of people don't, but as a victim of generalizations and stereotypes it's a dangerous road to go down. No matter the intentions.
 

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I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.
You heard it here first, guys. Vote for the bigot if you're afraid of a future in which minorities are accosted by hate groups, you aren't exploited by companies, you get universal healthcare, free tuition, true equality, and increased social mobility. It's a terrible future.
 

Bee.Cups

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I mean I definitely would have cast a dirty look at the hat but as long as the guy wasn't doing anything or being hateful I feel like the employees shouldn't have done anything. If they really did harrass him I have no problem with them being fired as thats unprofessional. I haven't read the whole thread so I may have missed something though. I do feel like wearing a maga hat is indirectly supporting hate speech, but I'm not sure just having a hat is on the level as other hate symbols. Yet. But that's mostly because I know a lot of the people who wear them are just party loyalty idiots, I might be being generous.
 

PMS341

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See as someone who gets called a terrorist regularly. I see the bad side of generalizing. You can choose to not see it, I understand why a lot of people don't, but as a victim of generalizations and stereotypes it's a dangerous road to go down. No matter the intentions.

The generalization in this case does miss a key point that a good majority of Trump voters are completely ignorant to his policies, and see it as simply opposition to the other side. However, when you are endorsed by the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists everywhere, all of which gain a false confidence and sense of empowerment directly due to the administration we have, you're on the wrong side.
 
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I would vote for that bigot so people with your ideology don't rule the world. I'm really scared about that possible future.

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See as someone who gets called a terrorist regularly. I see the bad side of generalizing. You can choose to not see it, I understand why a lot of people don't, but as a victim of generalizations and stereotypes it's a dangerous road to go down. No matter the intentions.
People are generalizing you based on how you look. People generalizing those who have taken an active step in voting for a bigot can be generalized, just like I can generalize nazis as bad people. There is a difference between a protected class and political affiliation.
 

Soony Xbone Uhh

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Oh no, a possible future where brown people aren't called terrorists or animals! Ugh, a future where black people can barbecue in the park or sit in their cars, or even in a Starbucks?! I can't continue living without corporations funneling money directly to the President!
Welcome you already live in the future. So please keep it that way and don't make it worse. Try to improve on the issues and don't overstate the cause.
 

PMS341

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Welcome you already live in the future. So please keep it that way and don't make it worse. Try to improve on the issues and don't overstate the cause.

Ah, so you're the type that just ignores problems because they don't directly affect you, yeah? Sorry to "generalize" or anything.

Our president literally called immigrants "animals" and said they weren't people a few hours ago, but go ahead and sit in the Wal-Mart parking lot for the rest of your life.
 

Soony Xbone Uhh

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You heard it here first, guys. Vote for the bigot if you're afraid of a future in which minorities are accosted by hate groups, you aren't exploited by companies, you get universal healthcare, free tuition, true equality, and increased social mobility. It's a terrible future.
Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...

And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.

Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.
 

ginger ninja

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Let stupid people be stupid without making them famous or giving them the opportunity to crywolf. Kthnxbye.

Wait hold up, why was he wearing this shit at work anyway ?
 

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Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...

And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.

Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.
Yup, me generalizing those who are taking an active purely voluntary part in bigotry is the same as nazis generalizing people based on race. You got me there. How could I ever live with myself?
 

Mahonay

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Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...

And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.

Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.
GET YOUR HOT SOCIALISM BUZZWORDS

RIGHT HERE

AT SOCIALST-ERA
 

taco543

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People are generalizing you based on how you look. People generalizing those who have taken an active step in voting for a bigot can be generalized, just like I can generalize nazis as bad people. There is a difference between a protected class and political affiliation.
You can't say it's how I look. It's actually because of my last name. You can say that Nazis are bad I will not defend them nor will you find me defending them ever. However I can only reiterate what I've already said so many different ways. You're arguing with someone who's pleading for peace, I'm not telling you to go out and hug a white supremacist. Im just saying a man eating should be at least given the same privacy that any of us expect.
 

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For a second I was worried that they'd pulled a Starbucks. Thank fuck, - I can still enjoy my kitschy architecture and delicious food. Don't tolerate MAGA.
 

Budi

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I mean I definitely would have cast a dirty look at the hat but as long as the guy wasn't doing anything or being hateful I feel like the employees shouldn't have done anything. If they really did harrass him I have no problem with them being fired as thats unprofessional. I haven't read the whole thread so I may have missed something though. I do feel like wearing a maga hat is indirectly supporting hate speech, but I'm not sure just having a hat is on the level as other hate symbols. Yet. But that's mostly because I know a lot of the people who wear them are just party loyalty idiots, I might be being generous.
Yeah this, I wish Americans would start putting some effort into fixing this two party system they have that causes nothing but trouble creating extreme divides. Even between people who actually aren't so different. But I never see any Americans talking about it, it's never a talking point in here for example. It's either that people are too used to it and it's the American way or they just enjoy it too much because of how simple it makes to label people. But it's not a good system by any means.
 

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You can't say it's how I look. It's actually because of my last name. You can say that Nazis are bad I will not defend them nor will you find me defending them ever. However I can only reiterate what I've already said so many different ways. You're arguing with someone who's pleading for peace, I'm not telling you to go out and hug a white supremacist. Im just saying a man eating should be at least given the same privacy that any of us expect.
Okay, not based on your look but on your last name (which is still bigotry and out of your control). I'm with you in finding peace, I want you to realize that generalizing voters based on who they vote for is A-OK and perfectly fine. They are literally making a choice and I can and will judge them for that.
 

Piggus

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The punishment of the employees was warranted, but they'd get a high-five from me regardless. When someone wears a MAGA hat you can pretty much guarantee that they're a hateful piece of shit. It takes every ounce of my patience not to call them out when I see them.
 

Mahonay

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Yeah this, I wish Americans would start putting some effort into fixing this two party system they have that causes nothing but trouble creating extreme divides. Even between people who actually aren't so different.
One side sees minorities and LGBTQ as subhuman. And women as baby making objects for men to control.

They are pretty fucking different than me.
 

TAJ

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Lol so you really bring up all those socialism buzzwords, and lies. True equality. Increased social mobility...

And here i thought you're just a bad person being okay with prejudices and generalization based on XYZ, while those based on ABC are bad because they fit the current zeitgeist and your personal stance on what's right or wrong.

Those nazis you're talking about, though the same exact way.

"People who hate Nazis are the real Nazis.".
That shitpost alone would have gotten you permed by the old mod team. God, I miss them.
 

Ogodei

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I get the MAGA hat is a symbol at this point, but comparing to to THOSE symbols is just irresponsible in my opinion.

The difference is that they were allowed to go unchecked. Nazis and their pagaentry were a joke in Germany... until they weren't, while the Klan gained their menace because Reconstruction ended and there was nobody around to stop them.
 

finalflame

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Great! You have freedom of expression, not freedom from consequences in a private restaurant. I'm sure Cheesecake Factory wasn't too happy about it though, from a business perspective it's less than ideal.
 

meowdi gras

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The punishment of the employees was warranted, but they'd get a high-five from me regardless. When someone wears a MAGA hat you can pretty much guarantee that they're a hateful piece of shit. It takes every ounce of my patience not to call them out when I see them.
I've got nothing but respect for those employees, publicly shaming racist-supporting scum at the risk of their jobs. I have zero respect for the MAGA-hat wearing troll.