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Boiled Goose

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im getting at not denying the truth. switch sales this year have been disappointing in japan relative to expectations. and yes, the underwhelming software launches were the main reason, there's no defending that if one is being intelectually honest. with himself and others

Nintendo already stated their shipment numbers and sales targets. Do you think they won't reach them?
 

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i wasnt the one making that point and i wasnt calling you out tbh, i was calling other posters. chris for putting an hardline on what expectations are or should be, just cause nintendo said so and kano for being on the nintendo defense force with hard edges, here and in other threads.

relative to the ports, its whatever, i think that they should ve planned a big title for the time period, i actually expected fire emblem to be announced in the january direct, 2 or 3 months prior to release, but it didnt happen.

so, as a switch owner, it has been a very quiet and boring year so far tbh
 

NeonZ

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im getting at not denying the truth. switch sales this year have been disappointing in japan relative to expectations. and yes, the underwhelming software launches were the main reason, there's no defending that if one is being intelectually honest. with himself and others

They aren't underwhelming if you didn't expect anything in the first place.

I always thought Labo's basic concept lacked a pick up and play element to be a big casual success, and that was pretty much the only game that could have driven sales in the first half of this year, if it had somehow caught on. Kirby did about as well as it could for just another iteration in the franchise without any big changes, HWs never did well in Japan and this is the second packaged update. DKCR:TF was just a port.

It's pretty clear even by Nintendo's own report that they're expecting the high sales to reach 20 millions from the 2nd half of the year due to upcoming announcements... although it's hard to say anything about them due to their complete silence at this point.
 
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Selling more units in 2018 than in 2017 wouldn't be an achievement considering the total amount of 2017 Switch Japanese sales, sure it was supplied constrained, wasn't... that good... compared to previous Nintendo handhelds and how much it is selling everywhere else in the world. Let's hope they will do much much better than just beating that.
I guess this makes sense somehow until you actually look st previous Nintendo handheld sales outside the 3DS post price cut boom.
 
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Chris1964

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i wasnt the one making that point and i wasnt calling you out tbh, i was calling other posters. chris for putting an hardline on what expectations are or should be, just cause nintendo said so
If you believe you or anyone can set the bar of success and not Nintendo I don't think I can respond to that.
 

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Nintendo already stated their shipment numbers and sales targets. Do you think they won't reach them?

maybe they will, maybe they wont, without us and euro hard numbers who knows really? hell, we dont even know when smash and pokemon will be released, if fire emblem releases this next year - i suppose yes? switch prices are crazy high in europe, it would help em a lot to lower that ish in terms of hard sales numbers, maybe not profit. so..too many variables to take a guess
 

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i wasnt the one making that point and i wasnt calling you out tbh, i was calling other posters. chris for putting an hardline on what expectations are or should be, just cause nintendo said so and kano for being on the nintendo defense force with hard edges, here and in other threads.

relative to the ports, its whatever, i think that they should ve planned a big title for the time period, i actually expected fire emblem to be announced in the january direct, 2 or 3 months prior to release, but it didnt happen.

so, as a switch owner, it has been a very quiet and boring year so far tbh

1. who are you

2. dont call out people that are more competent and knowledgeable on specific subjects than you are because you don't like having your stupid assumptions and concern trolling getting broken by real arguments backed by real data
 

Gotdatmoney

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i wasnt the one making that point and i wasnt calling you out tbh, i was calling other posters.

Okay, I was getting that impression. My bad. I dont think anyone else has said anything ridiculous though. Even stuff I disagree with is cool.

so, as a switch owner, it has been a very quiet and boring year so far tbh

I mean, I personally havent bought any Switch games this year. Granted I was 1 of 10 people with a WiiU.

Runner 3 will be the first 2018 release I buy. Tennis Aces will be the first Nintendo game.

I think the sales reflect the schedule appropriately.
 

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If you believe you or anyone can set the bar of success and not Nintendo I don't think I can respond to that.

so if nintendo expected to sell 10 million switch units in japan this year, i shouldnt calm them out on their bs? right... same with any undershipping expectations.

it obviously varies on a product to product basis and previous data on similar hardware/software but lets say, one expecting fifa to sell at least one million total to a switch's 17 million userbase is more than reasonable given the franchise popularity, being the only football game on the system and ao on.

if ea thinks otherwise, thats their prerrogative, they should care and know better than me but i dont think that my expectations are out of whack
 

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1. who are you

2. dont call out people that are more competent and knowledgeable on specific subjects than you are because you don't like having your stupid assumptions and concern trolling getting broken by real arguments backed by real data

1. who are you?

2. chris, doesnt need you to defend him (again, you seem to have defense force tendencies)

3. you dont have a clue of what i know or dont know about sales just because you're wrongly assuming i dont know shit just because i dont post a lot

cheers
 

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1. who are you?

2. chris, doesnt need you to defend him (again, you seem to have defense force tendencies)

3. you dont have a clue of what i know or dont know about sales just because you're wrongly assuming i dont know shit just because i dont post a lot

cheers

well next time you want to call out someone publicily, make sure you have something to back that up instead of just whines about my tone, which I couldn't care less about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not going to post more about that
 

Andri

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Nice to know that just being a rando posting some rando expectations is now the real hard fact based method of deciding if something is failing or not.
 

CeroMiedo

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imagine when you directly bad mouthing a stranger in public, then he/she asks about your identity and then you ask who he/she is instead lol
 
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Chris1964

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so if nintendo expected to sell 10 million switch units in japan this year, i shouldnt calm them out on their bs? right... same with any undershipping expectations.
Switch forecast is given: 20m hw and 100m sw. If they achieve it targets will be caught, things can't be more simple, there isn't anything else to say.
 

Gotdatmoney

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K so anyway, with KH3 previews out in the next few days what slot do people think makes the most sense for it? Its going to be a simulataneous launch and DQ 11 is september so when is the likely period? Nov?

KH3 is vaporware to me until its out
 

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Nice to know that just being a rando posting some rando expectations is now the real hard fact based method of deciding if something is failing or not.

na, selling 30k weekly for 5 months or so is obviously super healthy and successful for a new platform catered to japanese tastes mr. rando andri. btw which alt account are you of?
 

Andri

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But boy o boy, my ignore list must be super effective if half the thread is people arguing with nothing.


As for this weeks Data, seems post GW drop is still a Post GW drop.
And Switch is still up YOY, even with "no major new releases for the entire H1", so i guess the increasingly stacked H2 will have to save them from being down YOY as some people expect.
 

K Samedi

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Nice to know that just being a rando posting some rando expectations is now the real hard fact based method of deciding if something is failing or not.
Yeah it is kind of hilarious. You can be conservative with targets, but being too conservative or too ambitious will raise a lot of questions with investors. Targets that Nintendo puts out are a product of ambition for investors yet also managing expectations of investors in which ballpark they want to end up in. Exceeding targets is always a good thing, but your not going to get applauded for exceeding a very conservative forecast, you will get applauded for exceeding ambitious targets.
 

Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
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maybe they will, maybe they wont, without us and euro hard numbers who knows really? hell, we dont even know when smash and pokemon will be released, if fire emblem releases this next year - i suppose yes? switch prices are crazy high in europe, it would help em a lot to lower that ish in terms of hard sales numbers, maybe not profit. so..too many variables to take a guess

I don't even know what point you're trying to make then... If we cant know anything, then how can sales be disappointing???

So you first vaguely criticize attitudes about current sales for some reason. Many of these attitudes are informed by historical trends, etc.

But then it turns out we cant actually know anything.

What?
If sales are actually disappointing, make your case!!

You're currently the person who randomly shows up to a meeting and starts criticizing shit without knowing anything or offering alternatives.
 

schuelma

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na, selling 30k weekly for 5 months or so is obviously super healthy and successful for a new platform catered to japanese tastes mr. rando andri. btw which alt account are you of?

Leaving your antagonistic tone aside, you're sarcasm is factually inaccurate.

If you're going to do this, you better have your facts straight.
 

foxuzamaki

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na, selling 30k weekly for 5 months or so is obviously super healthy and successful for a new platform catered to japanese tastes mr. rando andri. btw which alt account are you of?
When you come into a thread all about archiving sales numbers you better be ready to back your shit up with facts
 

Raijinto

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's always weird to me that MC and its regulars have this reputation of being overly hostile in other places on this site but then someone who never posts here comes in and throws accusations and concern trolls and brings all of the hostility whilst we were all chillin' on a quiet week.

*Shrugs*
 

KrigareN-

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Dec 13, 2017
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Any table illustrating the sales of Wii, 3DS, vs Switch up to this nth week of the latter's life?

Don't know what to make of the 40k baseline.
 

Deleted member 35598

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No big japanese game on the horizon on PS4 ?

So no real big game until then. Actually, all big killers aps are out : Final Fantasy XV, Monster Hunter World and Dragon Quest 11. No other title will drive sales like this.


Looking at COMG there's Dark Souls Remastered, Persona Dance, Gundam Breaker, Fate Extella Link, and Neptunia in the near future. Lots of small titles, but no "big" (assuming you mean on the level of DQ/FF/MH)

Yes, no big titles then. The PS4 will struggle big time against the Switch this year. With Pokemon and Smash, it's going to be brutal !
 

Andri

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Yeah it is kind of hilarious. You can be conservative with targets, but being too conservative or too ambitious will raise a lot of questions with investors. Targets that Nintendo puts out are a product of ambition for investors yet also managing expectations of investors in which ballpark they want to end up in. Exceeding targets is always a good thing, but your not going to get applauded for exceeding a very conservative forecast, you will get applauded for exceeding ambitious targets.

Its just like if i said PS4 has to sell 30 million in Japan in order not to be a failure.

Defending such a stupid statement with "muh opinion that i am entitled to" is just being a whiny brat, because it does not mean people cant then tell me that i am wrong because no home console ever reached that, and sony never expected to reach that number.

If switch reaches said Sales goal of 20m, there is no measure in which it could be considered a failure, since it met Investors expectations, it met nintendos expectations(the 20m they stated), and it exceeded most of the internets expectations(since they hoped/claimed Switch would be another wiiu, and after it passed WiiU that Switch would Peak in Year1 and thus be down(so under 15m for the year)).

If some rando comes and says switch has to sell as much HW as a device half the price did some years ago, ignoring all the actual facts we have about the market and pricing of the device, thats his opinion, but its not something anybody, much less anybody who matters should or does care about.
 

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I don't even know what point you're trying to make then... If we cant know anything, then how can sales be disappointing???

So you first vaguely criticize attitudes about current sales for some reason. Many of these attitudes are informed by historical trends, etc.

But then it turns out we cant actually know anything.

What?
If sales are actually disappointing, make your case!!

You're currently the person who randomly shows up to a meeting and starts criticizing shit without knowing anything or offering alternatives.

dude, my point is that switch sales fell a bit in the first half of the year everywhere (us, euro) to a disappointing degree.

sales will obviously get better as soon as smash and other heavyweights arrive but its pretty obvious to me that nintendo left a lot of money and sales on the table due to not being able to deliver a system seller this first quarter.

i mean, obvious shit. and people should be able to express their disappointment in this thread without being greeted by defense forces and gang banging.

that is the point


edit: i used to really dislike psycho mantis but i now i have a taste of what he has to endure from this insufferable bunch. and im a huge nintendo fan at that. cowards
 

asd202

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Oct 27, 2017
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So how far behind the 3DS is the Switch launch aligned?

It's more expensive than those two and had little in the way of major releases this year. So I think it's pretty obvious why it's behind.

Had stronger first year though and less games are to be expected as quality games take longer to develop. Overall the Japansese market is shrinking outside of Nintendo and few 3rd party franchises everything is down.
 
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Raijinto

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dude, my point is that switch sales fell a bit in the first half of the year everywhere (us, euro) to a disappointing degree.

sales will obviously get better as soon as smash and other heavyweights arrive but its pretty obvious to me that nintendo left a lot of money and sales on the table due to not being able to deliver a system seller this first quarter.

i mean, obvious shit. and people should be able to express their disappointment in this thread without being greeted by defense forces and gang banging.

that is the point


edit: i used to really dislike psycho mantis but i now i have a taste of what he has to endure from this insufferable bunch. and im a huge nintendo fan at that. cowards

Stop throwing insults and accusations. Pleeeease. You're really not helping your case here.
 

DrWong

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dude, my point is that switch sales fell a bit in the first half of the year everywhere (us, euro) to a disappointing degree.

sales will obviously get better as soon as smash and other heavyweights arrive but its pretty obvious to me that nintendo left a lot of money and sales on the table due to not being able to deliver a system seller this first quarter.

i mean, obvious shit. and people should be able to express their disappointment in this thread without being greeted by defense forces and gang banging.

that is the point


edit: i used to really dislike psycho mantis but i now i have a taste of what he has to endure from this insufferable bunch. and im a huge nintendo fan at that. cowards
Lot of words and emotions, no numbers.
 

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im not like you nerds that need this forum to have self esteem and shit, im willing to go down in flames
 

Andri

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Yeah hasn't it been >40k more often than 30k in 2018?
MC numbers for Switch HW in 2018:

W1:146,006
W2:37,500
W3:43,027
W4:47,107
W5:49,165
W6:43,404
W7:39,303
W8:39,696
W9:45,083
W10:45,084
W11:54,342
W12:50,412
W13:44,033
W14:40,016
W15:36,308
W16:34,165
W17:38,752
W18:53,113
W19:31,720

Weeks above 40k: 12
Weeks between 30k and 40k: 7
Weeks bellow 37k: 3
Weeks above 50k: 4

So 12/19, or 63% of this years weeks Switch was above 40k.

15% of this years weeks Switch was bellow 37k.

21% of this years weeks Switch was above 50k.
 

Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
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dude, my point is that switch sales fell a bit in the first half of the year everywhere (us, euro) to a disappointing degree.

sales will obviously get better as soon as smash and other heavyweights arrive but its pretty obvious to me that nintendo left a lot of money and sales on the table due to not being able to deliver a system seller this first quarter.

i mean, obvious shit. and people should be able to express their disappointment in this thread without being greeted by defense forces and gang banging.

that is the point

edit: i used to really dislike psycho mantis but i now i have a taste of what he has to endure from this insufferable bunch. and im a huge nintendo fan at that. cowards

wow. so typical to play the victim once you have your views challenged...

If your point is that Nintendo being able to develop and publish more system sellers would be better for Nintendo's pockets then I don't think anyone would disagree with you. It's just on obvious point that's not really insightful or particularly interesting.

Let's make the conversation more interesting. What would you change in terms of production priorities? Would you rush to release Smash or another game earlier? Would you delay the release of any 2017 games? Would you have ported a different WiiU game? Would you have moved any 3DS projects to Switch?

Saying "just release more system sellers" is an easy, but unrealistic and silly response.

Remember, the goal is profit, not just in the short run, but in the long run.

Go! Let's discuss.

For me as a gamer, I would have probably liked something like Pikmin or FE in the first half, but this is because I already played TF and HW and I don't like Kirby or character action games (Bayonetta). So that is based on my preferences, would releasing those games significantly alter H1 sales in Japan?? In any reasonable way to offset potential losses from releasing during less slow periods and to a slightly larger userbase? I dunno.

im not like you nerds that need this forum to have self esteem and shit, im willing to go down in flames

smh :/
as if it coudn't get more embarrassing.
 

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Nothing braver than throwing a hissy fit because people called you out. I can see why Trump became president.
 

Raijinto

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And here I thought this would be a quiet week/thread lol. What a meltdown...
 

Skittzo

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Had stronger first year though and less games are to be expected as quality games take longer to develop. Overall the Japansese market is shrinking outside of Nintendo and few 3rd party franchises everything is down.

Yeah I'm guessing that's part of it too, but still, fewer games is fewer games regardless of the reason.