The market for NES and SNES Classic machines versus virtual console titles are not exactly the same. They could have easily coexisted but Nintendo chose not to sell either consoles' titles on Switch.
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Kotaku: Hacker Is Trying To Make A Virtual Console For His Switch
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Those are relatively easy compared to the mess with the actual trademarks and licensing...
There are many reason against it:
1. Totally selling those games under there value. People are ready to pay much more then this.
2. You lose the possibility to make new announcements and get into the public eye by releasing the game one by one. Great, you made money once, instead of making more money and get more attention over time.
3. Why would anyone buy the games one by one, if the collection is much more cheaper?
4. It still takes time to make such a collection. If you just make a hack, you don't need to watch for stability, security, licenses, quality and concsistence.
No matter what Nintendo would do, there will never be a Virtual Console like on the Wii. The games actually didn't sell as well as making those collections for third parties. There will be a ton of games missing because of this and license problems. So people while hack the console anyway, so that they can play Turtles in Time on it.
But with streaming/subscription type services you will lose access to them, with regular digital purchases you will not. As long as you purchased it when it was available.
The ACA games are pretty popular. And the Nintendo/ACA partner releases are some of the top sellers on Switch. And those are obscure arcade releases that most people didn't even knew existed! Think how well Super Metroid would sell on Switch.
And why would they release a 'collection' of Gamecube/N64 games? Just let me buy them piecemeal.
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They're selling them under value by releasing them via the Classics series. Think, releasing a digital collection for $60 vs physical HW with the same games for $80? You think they aren't getting higher margins without the physical hardware and all costs that entails (manufacturing, packaging, distribution, etc)? Not to mention even if the HW cost literally nothing, releasing 20 games for $80 means they're slightly cheaper than when they released them individually for VC
Yes, that's true.
Just trying to make sure that anything that goes with old retro releases has to have permits and rights be obtained in order to be published for public consumption.
Which is part of the SNES Classic's lineup. Don't really think the hacker in question is even talking about Virtual Console as much as making a clone of the SNES Classic on the Switch.
But those aren't portable so nope.I mean this is neat, but for really realz.
Nintendo won't make virtual console because they want you to buy this.
and this
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Full stop.
They'd much rather you pay 80 dollars for this than whatever software solution they'd do, and on top of that, they want to use whatever switch based emulation solution they have to rope you into paying for their online service.
It's not that hard to figure out.
I'd even be perfectly fine paying the same amount of $ that the SNES Classic costs for a Switch compilation, but those systems are worthless since they aren't portable.
I mean this is neat, but for really realz.
Nintendo won't make virtual console because they want you to buy this.
and this
Full stop.
They'd much rather you pay 80 dollars for this than whatever software solution they'd do, and on top of that, they want to use whatever switch based emulation solution they have to rope you into paying for their online service.
It's not that hard to figure out.
Nope. nintendo isn't making VC because they want you to subscribe to their new online service
Quite frankly the "free pirated games" argument is tired. If someone simply wanted to play free Nintendo games, then there's countless other options available for everything right up to their Wii U titles. So why the Switch? Obviously for the form factor, and it being a device the person is likely to have with them currently. The same reasons you could give to justify why someone would want to play their "free games" on a Switch work as the reasons someone would also desire to play their legitimately purchased games on the Switch also... except that's currently not an option for much (practically all) of their classic line.
And the "never would have been offered even if there was a Virtual Console on Switch" assumption is nonsense. You don't know either what games they're looking to play (with the Virtual Console having already covered many of the most in demand games in the past), nor what games Nintendo (or other publishers) would put on the service today is there was actually a marketed push behind it. MS has 500+ legacy Xbox games, many with the approval (and possible licensing headaches) of the publishers responsible for them. To act like a very large coverage of classic NES and SNES titles wouldn't be likely is Nintendo were making the push for Virtual Console on Switch is ridiculous.
Starfox 2? Nintendo released that, and certainly could have put that on a 2018 Virtual Console also... and this guy quite probably bought the device that contained the legitimate rom for it.
There's a lot of talk about Virtual Console being "just a marketing label" here... but these marketing labels are more than just a name. It also represented a drive to actually make a breadth of titles available. Pointing towards a swath of classic games on Switch that's largely a result of SNK not only misses the point, but it actually makes the opposite argument... there's a shitton of arcade classic ports on Switch right now, because there's an actual marketed push being made for them in Hamster's ACA line.
Some *great* drive by posts here.
WTF some guy might download some old ass games off the internet??!?!?!?! B U R N H I M A T T H E S T A K E
you got played if you bought nintendos virtual console games considering they just get their roms off the internet lol
Forget what they can run on... I'd like to know what magic shit makes an $80 device supposedly superior at running fucking SNES emulator than a goddamn Switch would be.
I mean this is neat, but for really realz.
Nintendo won't make virtual console because they want you to buy this.
and this
Full stop.
They'd much rather you pay 80 dollars for this than whatever software solution they'd do, and on top of that, they want to use whatever switch based emulation solution they have to rope you into paying for their online service.
It's not that hard to figure out.
If this is really the reason why don't they sell a SNES and NES Classic cart that mimicked the NES/SNES classic systems on Switch? At $60 it would have to make them more money since parts, manufacturing, and shipping would all be cheaper.
So? I don't see the big issue, is their intellectual property. Is like if they lost a render they made and then they looked for it on the internet and saved it, it's their intellectual property.
I mean i certainly can see it being funny, but it's not a big gotcha moment.
I don't have anything againts piracy, but this forum obviously does, and i don't see why in this case we can't call a spade a spade.
Applications like this are why I love modifying consoles. It gives the end user a lot of flexibility and can cover flaws on the part of the manufacturer.
Well, that's isn't fair. You can't say Nintendo has the right to it just because they made it, legally it's still no different than the guy that did it too - they're morally on no higher or lower ground and objectively.
This. Sorry I just don't give a damn about NES games anymore besides a small handful. I've already purchased them so many times. I can't agree with people saying their current plan is better than VC because I want more than just NES. I want more than SNES even. N64 and Gamecube games are what I want and Nintendo has made no mention what so ever of adding anything beyond NES to their online service.
Actually they do have the right.
That's the whole point of intellectual property, copyrights, and licensing.
It's in the very law.
He's also actively pirating all of his stuff.
Making the emulator is cool and fine. Stealing the roms is not cool and fine.
I understand being a Nintendo fan, as i am one as well but some people here are borderline fanatic fanboys, defending every single decision Nintendo makes, accusing anyone who hacks their Switch by calling them pirates without any proof whatsoever.
The man in question is doing a amazing work, since he did not like Nintendo online service he is making a awesome homebrew for himself and other people who wants to play whatever SNES games they want on their Switch without waiting forever for Nintendo.
The man in question is doing a amazing work, since he did not like Nintendo online service he is making a awesome homebrew for himself and other people who wants to play whatever SNES games they want on their Switch without waiting forever for Nintendo.
If Virtual Console were the easy money that so many people claim it is I'm sure Nintendo would be cranking out ROMs on Switch already. More likely I'd think it's marquee games like Super Mario World and Link to the Past doing big numbers while the rest are barely worth the effort. After three consoles of being disappointed with VC I'm willing to try something different, and the subscription service could get me to try some things I wouldn't ever spend $5 or $8 on.
Three consoles? The only time they were serious about VC was with the Wii and times are completely different from back then. People are way more willing to buy games digitally and it's become commonplace. A VC exactly like the Wii's would fair significantly better today, even with the smaller Switch userbase, if only because of the increased receptiveness to digital purchases
"If Nintendo won't sell me what I want, I'll just steal it instead." is what I'm getting from that statement.
Why not just invest in a similar Android device if you're looking for retro gaming?
The online subscription only pertains 1st party titles, there's nothing stopping third parties from releasing their games on the eshop, I have to imagine for them they'd rather release their games as collections at higher prices, why sell Megaman games piecemeal, knowing that some games in the series are less desirable than others when you can bundle them all in a collection and sell them on every platform at a higher price? Sega Ages and the SNK collection proves as much, but we're still getting NeoGeo and other classics on the eshop.
Great news, can't wait to play Godzilla Kaiju Dai Kesen while taking a dump.
There is always one.
They never learn.
There is always one.
They never learn.
There isn't really any comparable hardware to the Switch.
Closest thing I can think of is the Shield Portable, but that's been discontinued for years, and even if you got a used one it's no longer being supported on the software side.
This may come as a shock to you, but emulators can be used with legally owned copies of games.
There's a lot of strange animosity in this thread for a guy who decided to solve his own problems instead of whine and just settle of the NESflix service instead.
Oh no, I'm quite familiar with the various cart-ripping apparatuses.
Realistically though, not many people are ripping their own carts.
That's fair, but I'm still not wrong.
Watch the video. He somehow owns exactly every game on the SNES Classic? Including the unreleased StarFox 2?
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You still can't accuse someone of piracy without any evidence. All it does is turn discussions into shitpost centers which is why it's typically not allowed in Homebrew threads.
Do you have any evidence that he did not bought every game he showed on his video?
His video has StarFox 2. A game that wasn't released.
It's just interesting that his video is a direct clone of the SNES Classic, right down to the exact same rom collection.
A lot of people own SNES games. The SNES Classic has been hacked for awhile. Wouldn't be surprised if someone found a way to pull Star Fox 2 off it.