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Living on welfare
- Thread starter KingOfDyslexics
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This is going to be harsh, but to me that makes you a pretty worthless human being.
Benefits like you are collecting are for those UNABLE to work, not those that are LAZY and UNWILLING.
I was unemployed and on welfare for a couple of years like 8 years ago and I became like super lazy. I was fairly young and thought "eh I still got time".
Eventually I got an okay job and slowly started to move on to better paying jobs.
I'm a little bummed out that I didn't start doing the stuff that I'm doing now like BJJ sooner and spent years just doing nothing :/
Eventually I got an okay job and slowly started to move on to better paying jobs.
I'm a little bummed out that I didn't start doing the stuff that I'm doing now like BJJ sooner and spent years just doing nothing :/
In some places, youth unemployment rate is higher than that already. 35% in Spain for example. And most of those employed work in telemarketing, fast food joints and seasonal tourism jobs, for minimum wage and zero hour contracts.
Bootstrappers can piss off with their nonsense honestly.
A lot of people in high paying jobs are empty shells too. It's up to you what you use your time on, and acquiring a shitty dead end minimum wage job doesn't really help in any way. Having the time to improve yourself and create something more worthwhile is more valuable to the society, and very few people truly feel their welfare life is something they want to keep up. That's why I like the idea of basic income, it frees people from the welfare bureaucracy to improve themselves and start from smaller riskier ideas without having to juggle a minimum wage slave's job at the same time. Spending that potential to gaming and weed is regrettable, but an attitude like that isn't really tied to unemployment in particular.
You realise you're committing benefit fraud and when you get caught you'll be made to pay back every penny and potentially face jail time?
I live off welfare/disability.I suffer from Schizophrenia,and have a heart condition.I worked up until the age of 29,I'm now 43.I have volunteered but always end up ill at some point as my illness has only got worse not better.I live in sheltered housing with my partner who is also ill.
Yet I still feel ashamed,even knowing it's not my fault....I believe it's the constant narrative from the UK press,TV,goverment that we're all scroungers no matter what.....All I want is to stay well,and have simple pleasures like gaming and movies....yet I'm made to feel guilty over it.
Yet I still feel ashamed,even knowing it's not my fault....I believe it's the constant narrative from the UK press,TV,goverment that we're all scroungers no matter what.....All I want is to stay well,and have simple pleasures like gaming and movies....yet I'm made to feel guilty over it.
I actually think OP thinks he is better health wise than he is. But that could be just me thinking that way.
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Its a grey area. A doctor will after reading my medical files always sign me up for unemployable but the marijuana healed me better than the meds ever could. So I am fine and healthy now, but documents say im not, my pschologist I see a month says im not, but I know deep down I am fine and could work and that the truama that got me on social benefits in the first place is over.
So maybe its unethical. but its not fraud. No fake documents or lies being told. Just my circumstances.
It's not a grey area at all. You're committing fraud and any change in your circumstances are supposed to be told to the government ( which you will have signed even applying for the benefits btw). You haven't done that and are illeitimately claiming benefits. You're literally committing benefit fraud it's as simple as that.
Welfare is a great thing for those who need it, which I fully support my tax money going to. If you don't actually need it you shouldn't get it unless you put in an effort to find a job etc. My taxes should be used for those who need help, not those who are just too lazy to help themselves.
Sounds like that's possible:
Yup, I could very much relate to some parts of OP:s situation. I've also felt that my life would be "just fine" if I was just left alone and would get enough monetary assistance to survive. But that's not all true, I've used video games and also weed just like the OP to escape the pressure and stress I've been ill-equipped to handle. It led to things like social isolation which isn't good. To combat that I'm currently doing a volunteer work beside my studies. Since it's distance learning there's really no social links there, so I volunteer to get to be part of a community. Most of my friends have started their families which takes much of their time, some have moved away too. And I was feeling kind of lonely in my situation, so I've made efforts to make things better for myself. Luckily my country has helped me greatly in that and not just by welfare but healthcare and rehabilitation programs. Not drug or alcohol related, not sure if there would be better word for it in English. But programs for long time unemployed, while those don't always help people to get to studying or workforce right away they do have other benefits in making that person's quality of life bit better. Which is a good first step. For me the feeling of being content was partly because acknowledgment of the priviledge of having such safety nets, I can't personally complain for what I have since so many don't even have the half of that in other countries (not even near the half). And just being able to escape the pressure that comes from expectations of being a "productive" part of society can make someone feel content. Since it can beat the alternative as you say of being stressed as hell which can lead to many different symptoms.
Don't. You have nothing to be ashamed of. A society that can't take care of those less fortunate is an ill society.
I have worked with plenty of disabled people in the UK and most of them were not getting nearly enough help as they needed. From meagre monetary help and lack of suitable equipment, to lack of social support. It always pissed me off because this society looks down on those who are incapable or unwilling to enter the profit wheel. This is not what we should strive for.
My OCD is awful and I'd trade that for a shit job any day of the week. Free money doesn't help that.
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Kind of hard to tell the goverment that self medicating on marijuana healed me and Im fine to work. My pschologist doesnt believe in marijuana.
Its a grey area, I think Im healthy enough to work but am scared to work too and especially for what will not be much more money.
Also sounds like he's still pretending to be in the same situation and pretending to take meds. A psychologist can only go off what you say etc, they're not exactly in your mind and know what's going on.
Because he also said this:
I'm mentally very healthy, and am completely capable to work. But I choose not too. I can claim to never recover and continue avoiding the job counselor indefinitely. So I do it.
I don't think that matters if the professional says otherwise.
Or he can't see how ill he is as he is used to the life style of shutting himself away
Honestly, as a Portuguese citizen, our situation is different concerning welfare, I find myself conflicted. On the one hand I can't blame the guy for wanting to live a life of pleasure and enjoyment, but at the same time I don't see this going well for the guy as eventually, I do believe he will have his welfare stripped from him and he will have several years of no job experience which will negatively affect him. Furthermore, while I do think in the future as automation increases I can't help but think that we will need something like UBI or welfare for everyone (and heavy taxes on business), I don't feel like that time is now (give it 20-40 years).
Oh no, it's you again. Weren't you also disparaging dumpster divers? You come of as very unempathetic and judgemental person, you should work on that.
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Not really mentally very healthy. but I am capable to work. I was hospitalized for a month. Doctors thought I had schizophrenia, maybe I did, but I definitely don't anymore.
I'm suppose to take medication for life, but stopped years ago and haven't been negatively affected.
Marijuana healed me after smoking it for a year. Cant really claim to the goverment that it healed me but in the US there are studies of how it helps schizophrenics.
Nah, I also think it's fucked up to steal 80€ from society.
This "what about billionaires who buy yachts with tax fraud money?" diversion tactic is pretty stupid IMO
Doesn't give people the right to emulate that behaviour on a smaller scale.
And to be frank, a CEO that makes 1m€, pays 500.000€ in taxes but puts 500.000€ in his Swiss bank account.... is still a plus for society.
A person that chooses not to work only takes money out of it..... a straight minus.
You are also trivializing the issue by assuming 800€ a month is all OP costs the Austrian community.
Kindergarden and education cost taxpayer money and has to be recouped later thru taxes.
Government services cost money. OP is occupying government ressources and will sooner or later get in trouble with the law (weed). Who's paying for police and courts again?
Healthcare is another pot where OP doesn't pitch in.
All in all, the cash payouts and rent assistance are only a tiny percentage of the money OP will cost society in his lifetime.
You may be fine with paying for it, but a vast majority of people in Austria aren't. These people understand that OP's behaviour destroys the system.
I wouldn't be posting this on the internet...
And is there no obligation to apply for interviews a certain amount of times a week, participate in interview trainings and even do public service in Austria? It is here if you're on welfare.
And is there no obligation to apply for interviews a certain amount of times a week, participate in interview trainings and even do public service in Austria? It is here if you're on welfare.
You truly have no idea where your taxes go to be that pompous about your taxes. Welfare depending where you are is one of the smaller tax burdens and yet people complain about that but not about huge tax incentives given to companies and rich etc that make the middles taxes so high to begin with.
I'm not sure an unhealthy person would be the best source on their own mental health.
I'm not 100% saying he isn't capable of working or that he's wrong. It's just none of us really truly know. He's an unreliable narrator on his own life, really.
OP better hope that this thread doesn't leak out to his benefits manager or whoever. Committing fraud and bragging about taking advantage of a system meant for people in need.
My family was on welfare when I was young. It was hard because we were immigrants but we got out of the system. . I am all for welfare for those in need. You're not in need OP. I'll say no more else I'll get banned.
My family was on welfare when I was young. It was hard because we were immigrants but we got out of the system. . I am all for welfare for those in need. You're not in need OP. I'll say no more else I'll get banned.
Honestly, the money always goes to some bullshit that I may or may not agree with. Just something you have to accept. Some people take advantage, some people genuinely need it and use it to advance themselves in life.
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We're already knocking on the door of self driving cars, if we were already deep into automaton this thread would be very different
Hey Possumowner, I'm sorry that you feel this way, and while I can't change your situation or the way you feel, just know that it really is not your fault. You didn't choose to get sick ... I'm sorry, I don't know what to say I just don't find the way society is treating you to be fair and hope that you never let it get to you.
In Finland they also push people towards different programs and workshops, or school. And they also cut your income support by max 40% if the person is deemed just to be unwilling to take work.
It shouldn't. The problem is with the people using OP against the programs.
...That's not how scizophrenia works without a doctor checking. Especially if your psychologist still believes you're sick.
Sure, maybe weed cured your schizophrenia or whatever the issue was, but if you relapse on an episode afterwards it ain't pretty.
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If the Pentagon can lose $21 Trillion of public money, I really can't be mad if someone wants to cheese welfare and just smoke weed all day.
At least he's getting something out of it.
I'm a firm believer that no one should be content to take more from society than they put in. Everyone can fall on tough times and need some help. That is nothing to be ashamed of, life can be brutal. Long term everyone should try to put more in than they take out. I have no respect for anyone that is content to just take more than they give.
Not true. They aren't daft and will catch on eventually when he slips up. He already admitted to lying about continuing to take his meds, all it will take is a blood test to not show the meds he's on and they'll start looking into why etc. No idea what the healthcare system is like in his country but if they have an NHS-likesystem, that's not exactly helping either putting strain on the NHS equivelant's budget for no reason.
I think you're just giving him too much credit because I know you have mental issues aswell and you like to believe everyone is legit. I have bad anxiety aswell and get ESA for it, so I'm not exactly opposed to people getting benefits if they need them. I also think you're from Glasgow right? so you'll know what it's like at Cadogan Street where it's pure degrading and they treat you like shit all because of a few people frauding the system, as if your issues aren't bad enough. Kinda hard to have sympathy for OP tbh.
The guy has already admitted to lying about taking meds to the government to keep his benefits. Sorry man I just have a hard time being on his side here.
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I know 100% im not schizophrenic. I just had issues for a while because of a person and it drove me mad. That was a long time ago. I still have the diagnosis but its not true and I donno how guilty or shitty of a person that makes me.
Thats why I made this topic. I probably should have admited im on unemployment earlier. I did romanticise social benefits in austria because I wasnt thinking at the time of how I came into it 4 years ago.
Stuff like that, makes me think OP doesn't understand how he is health wise enough
