Excellent post. I'm debating a trip to Israel this year along with Petra.
I really want to go there
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52 dead, 2238 wounded in Gaza today (worst day since 2014 Gaza war) [UPDATED]
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Excellent post. I'm debating a trip to Israel this year along with Petra.
I really want to go there
what i dont understand is why the us is so extreme. supporting israel doesnt mean you have to support genocide. you can support them if they behave rationally and criticize atrocities as this.
The Coalition slowly and quietly shifted support from being opposed to Israeli settlements in the West Bank to abstaining from the question once Abbott was elected.
Turnbull was hardly going to change much about it given he kept Julie Bishop as Foreign Minister and blaming Hamas probably plays pretty well in his electorate.
I'm going to come off as really ignorant but I know very little about what is going on in Gaza. What sites or social media accounts should I be looking to in order to understand the ongoing situation?
If you lie enough, eventually people will simply accept it as the truth.
Yep the pagentry of it all really sickens me. Tho I didn't live through apartheid I imagine contrasts like this were going on all the time in South Africa.
People being denied their basic human rights and being mowed down for protesting against oppression but let's all just sit in a circle and go on and on about how we were chosen by God to bring peace to the region. Shit's sickening.
I appreciate the fact that the South African government condemns Israel but I am disapointed to see so many fellow south africans still argue in favour of it. One has to hope that the proper education system that teaches the harsh realities of Apartheid will make these views deminish but I think communities that cling on to these views will simply become more and more entrenched.
My thoughts are with those that lost their loved ones today or were permanently crippled by todays injustices. For everyone celebrating this as divine will, I really do hope there is a special place in hell for all of them.
Sure it looks bad TODAY.
But Trump will have his name on that building FOREVER.
The American people needs to do that, there's not a whole lot that other nations can do against a veto from the US unfortunately.
Another entirely preventable day of shame that the world community will not forget.
Not that age is really relevant but only one of them is older than me .
If we're lucky (very lucky) the next President will actually give a shit about peace in the Middle East and have it torn down to get things back on track.
The UN is a joke.
America is the only reason Palestine are not a proper state as well.
Not for nothing but you do realise you visited the West Bank where there is Israeli military presence, which there isn't in Gaza. Not saying life in Gaza is good or better, just saying it's a totally different kind of bad.
As for this situation - what would you say to people who would tell you Israel must respond when there is an attempt to breach the border or to enact violence on their soldiers. To better target only the ones actually doing that? To use better crowd dispersal techniques? The Israeli government is lying and every single one of those people hasn't done anything?
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Not just Americans, but Israelis too.
Where are all the Israeli's who (supposedly) oppose Netanyahu ? Every time a thread on Israel's crimes pops up, someone always comes along and tells us the majority of Israelis don't support this. Where are they? Why aren't you guys out there protesting this massacre?
52 dead, 2000+ people wounded. Do the lives of your neighbors mean so little? FFS. take responsibility for your government. Don't just sit on your hands and cry foul whenever someone calls you out on that shit. You can't have it both ways.
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The majority do support this. Shit all the minority can do about it - there's protests and so on but it is ineffective when the coalition has such a majority and leftists are made out to be traitors. The minority only gets smaller as times go on.
why one country would have the right to stop the rest of the world? This veto thing is horrible (i don't know much about it, but this is infuriating)
I don't fully understand why the US give them such a ridiculous amount of money and such insane political support .
Is it just mostly about a fuck you to Muslims ?
I know historically they saw them as an ally against Russia but that's hardly the current thinking.
Well I think the CIA had there hands in quite a few . Indonesia, Guatemala Rwanda , ..., ...
Don't know if they qualify as "democratically approved "though.
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Yes. It's being frowned upon too with "Don't generalize Israelis".
Fuck that shit. The people in Israel elected their government. They made Netanyahu the longest running PM in the history of their government. Their hands are full of blood as well.
The Trump admin is literally incapable of making good choices. Fuck all this murderous bullshittery.
It's because the Alt-Right associates with actual Neo Nazis, that's why people call them Nazis. Because the Alt-Right literally publicly associates with Neo Nazis.
Not the first, not the last. You can't use the word genocide though, they will democratically shout you down on it. The truth is, for the majority of people it is simply too difficulty to relate to people of another skin color and religion fighting and dying in another culture far from where we live. If it has no material impact on our lives, and is just at worst a sad story we read in the papers or in some article, it's hard to care for long. Even for people who care, the outrage is transient. We care at the moment of reading this, and then we go on with our lives. We continue to buy things which make us happy, we continue to consume what we like, and these things directly benefit and enrich the economies of countries responsible for allowing these things to happen in the first place. Not a popular thing to think about, but it's true.
I'm disgusted by what Israel does, but I do nothing to stop it, nor do I put any effort into finding out how I can help. I care more about things that immediate relate to me and my personal happiness. I can say rude things about Israel online, but I also consume American TV, American films, and play American games. All while the American government is aiding Israel in their activities and encouraging it. Who here can say they are different? If you do more, I salute you.
Israel blaming Hamas on BBC this morning, typical 'human shield' talking point. Presenters pushed back but didn't even mention the context or provocation by the US and Israel. Just kept asking if it was excessive and repeating that Israeli troops killed a child.
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Who the fuck takes an 8 month baby to a war zone. Fucking shame.
Interesting piece in Haaretz this morning.
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-...y-opening-is-gut-punch-for-u-s-jews-1.6091674
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-...y-opening-is-gut-punch-for-u-s-jews-1.6091674
It's quite worrying what this is gonna do long term as well. We're already dealing with increasing anti-Semitic crime here in Europe, this idiocy by the US. and Isreal certainly isn't gonna help stop it when more and more people turns hostile to Jewish people.
Also, fucking hell, even children...
Also, fucking hell, even children...
It's the literal text book definition of genocide though. So people should say it.
I completely agree with you here, but just to be clear: I was just addressing Brazil's point about the US' unwavering support of Israel, and ond only that.
But I do completely agree with you that Israelis who continue to vote for such governments need to be held accountable as well.
If you attack Jewish people in Europe because of Palestine, you are just a fucking anti-Semite.
Tying it to Middle East conflict is alt-right playbook.
Good recap, though of course it's much more complex. Doesn't go into Israels obstructionist strategy which tries to prevent and undermine Palestinians attempts to become a state, and punishes them for seeking it.
Basically, we screwed up (British), lied to Arabs so they'd revolt against Ottoman rulers during WW1, carved up the Arab regions, promised it to multiple parties without telling them regions where already claimed, screwed over Arabs with Palestine, WW2 came around and we thought its too big of a headache and handed over the issue to UN, which then drew up the partition of Palestine & Israel, war ensued etc.
Hey mate, Americans elected Trump too-- which certainly contributed to this situation if not created it (in this particular place). Is there blood on the hands of all Americans, too? Shit's just how democracy works.
The day that an American president can criticize Israel and not block any condemnations/investigations into Israeli fuckery and not get totally roasted by both parties for it, is the day that Israel can stop being a wedge issue.
America and the West have long supported Israeli interventions, It's really not at all that hard to wonder why most Palestinian factions act belligerently towards The Israel
Netyanhu is basically a blood thirsty tyrant
America and the West have long supported Israeli interventions, It's really not at all that hard to wonder why most Palestinian factions act belligerently towards The Israel
Netyanhu is basically a blood thirsty tyrant
I am not going to mince words: Americans who elected politicians who give unconditioned support to Israel, yes, the blood of the Palestinian people are on their hands too. Everyone and anyone who gives Israel government support for how they treat the Palestinians are complicit in all the murders and killing, there's no nice way of saying around it and there's no need to.
I said this before and I will say it again. Is going be only a matter of time that Israel is going to get "Fredo" by the US. Not during Trump, but after him.
And yet a lot of far right groups openly support Israel due to its crimes against brown people / Muslims.
Plenty of DUP / Loyalist groups on Northern Ireland for example support Israel, fly Israeli flags next to the Union Jack.
Same groups that support UKIP, Britain First, Combat 18, National Front etc.
Its not as clear cut as you make it. My issue is with supporters of Israel, whether that means a Jewish person or Neo Conservative types or any other scumbag that's OK with destroying a people.