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Switch Online Makes Nintendo Look Weak (The Jimquisition)
- Thread starter zombiejames
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Yep. Unfortunately the reality is we have a company sitting on a goldmine of old games who is too incompetent to do anything with them.
It's not a good look, and he got one of those bloody reviewer kits as well!
Doing things differently and ending up a financial success, it's the Nintendo way, don't get me wrong things like voice chat annoy the hell out me, but works for them
Yes. Nintendo being Nintendo sometimes results in them killing it...such as the Wii and the Switch. Other times, Nintendo being Nintendo results in pretty big failures, such as the Wii U (colossal failure) and the Gamecube (pretty big failure).
Maybe if they weren't so incompetent in certain areas, they could sustain this success instead of each console generation being a dice roll.
you can't just open the video and take shots at Tropical Freeze, Jim
some things are off limits, Jim
when I thank God for Jim I'm thanking the closest thing I know to God which is Tropical Freeze, Jim
yeah their online is shit though and the fact that you can't drag and drop saves onto a PC with a micro SD card is dumbdumbdumb
some things are off limits, Jim
when I thank God for Jim I'm thanking the closest thing I know to God which is Tropical Freeze, Jim
yeah their online is shit though and the fact that you can't drag and drop saves onto a PC with a micro SD card is dumbdumbdumb
Doing right by your customers with a robust online infrastructure doesn't come across as a pissing contest to me.
I can't even do basic text messaging on the switch. Meanwhile on both PS4 and Xbox One you can message people for free. They're way behind when it comes to their online offering.
Nah, it proves they're strong enough to withstand some dumb design ideas and lackluster online services. Same as it's always been.
The problem isn't that Ice Climber is there, it's that Ice Climber is 5% of the service at the start, which is totally ridiculous. There is no value in a game lineup when there are five titles you might want to play ever again (if you haven't already played them to death the previous ten times you bought them) and fifteen titles that no sane person would touch again.
It's like if Activision-Blizzard announced a service of legacy games that come with a WoW subscription and those turned out to be River Raid and Pitfall.
Hard to disagree that Nintendo Online is a bit toilet but those Xbox factual errors are pretty poor.
I'm not buying the service, but I can voice how much the service sucks in hopes it changes in the future.
Should be able to transfer saves to an SD card for free. I don't really care for online play, so I have no use for Nintendo's online offering. It's not a good look for Nintendo to keep fumbling the ball when it comes to online.
Posts like this that don't engage and just antagonize are just as lazy, FYI.
Posts like this that don't engage and just antagonize are just as lazy, FYI.
Hey, deciding which games of the last century they wanted to give us takes time.
It makes complete sense, it's other factors that make Nintendo successful, as least as far as the Switch is concerned, despite how badly they manage features that the industry expects as standard by now.
This kind of answer doesn't make sense in a thread where people are rightfully looking out for value from a company that has yet to catch up in features that are standards in the industry, unless of course you were an investor or someone who only cared about Nintendo's products selling regardless of the value they offer.
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So you're saying they're choosing to continue missing industrywide standard features because they are striving to remain different?
Kinda surprising from a purely financial perspective - digital services and online infrastructure are hugely profitable areas of the modern business and far more reliable revenue-drivers than unit sell-through.
I bought Switch and I have all rights to be critical about Nintendo lackluster online infrastructure and overall quality of non-gaming functions.
It's 2018, not 2005. They have all the resources to make it right on the first try
It's 2018, not 2005. They have all the resources to make it right on the first try
I agree with other sentiments. It makes them look out of touch, not weak.
They really need to hire another team to do this for them, or at the very least, consult them and teach them how the fucking internet works.
It's frankly embarrassing how Nintendo has handled online since day 1.
They really need to hire another team to do this for them, or at the very least, consult them and teach them how the fucking internet works.
It's frankly embarrassing how Nintendo has handled online since day 1.
This is the old price fallacy. You're not saving $40, youre spending $20, and considering that online play has been free for a year already with the phone based voice chat, I'm going to pay $20 for what exactly? A warmed over copy of nes soccer? That's the only new addition here, and it's shit.
Nintendo Switch is successful period. Unless you have surveys on hand indicating strong consumer dissatisfaction about the issues you are mentioning, you can't really use the term "despite".
Maybe most Switch users just don't give a crap. We don't know. What we know is that it sells really well.
And to be clear, I'm not saying those complaints are not legitimate. But they sell gangbusters and as such speaking about "bad business decisions" is nonsense.
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Online play was free on PS3 and wasn't on PS4. And you don't even get a copy of NES Soccer.
The best possible way to go about this was to make it optional like Sony did with PlayStation Plus in the PS3.
Make it optional, build it up, and figure out the perfect balance of value for the players. If they were doing a good job more and more players would buy into it. They shouldn't have made it mandatory until the Switch successor is released and made mandatory for that system.
Make it optional, build it up, and figure out the perfect balance of value for the players. If they were doing a good job more and more players would buy into it. They shouldn't have made it mandatory until the Switch successor is released and made mandatory for that system.
And while it wasn't okay for Sony to do it, Nintendo is sure as hell not going to get a pass for it
Judging success on unit sell-through is not as clear cut as it once was - particularly based on a single year on the market. The modern industry is more nuanced. Whether Nintendo can sustain success and growth without fully embracing a more online-focused model (which drives a huge chunk of modern gaming revenue for competitors) remains to be seen. If anyone can manage it, it would be Nintendo, but only time will tell.
Nah, it's weak.
It would be okay if they had two packages, with the other one not being garbage, and this one was the barebones one for people that didn't want to pay as much.
If Nintendo had this service ready to go day 1 I don't think I'd really have all that big of an issue with it. Us as consumers would know exactly what we were getting for the price. But how they've gone about this is ethically shady. Online heavy games (Mario Kart, Splatoon 2) will have been out for over a year by the time this releases and they are losing significant value by gating functionality behind a paywall that didn't exist when they were released.
There's no excuse for a giant tech company to be ignorant about the internet.
Best online atm for consoles is microsoft since you get to actually keep the 360 titles they give during games for gold. (would be nice if sony made all vita/ps3 games keepable when you no longer have ps+) At least nintendo's service will be cheap thanks to the family plan.
Those of you pointing to strong Switch sales figures seems to forget that this race isn't a dash, it's a marathon.
The Switch is a great piece of hardware that has enjoyed an exceptionally strong first year but these types of sustained mistakes can erode that goodwill and momentum in the long run and given how often and repeatedly Nintendo has ignored industry standards and norms to their detriment, I really can't fathom the defense force for them in this instance.
It's 2018 and Nintendo treats online connectivity like a passing fad. It's indefensible and potentially harmful if they don't course correct sooner rather than later.
The Switch is a great piece of hardware that has enjoyed an exceptionally strong first year but these types of sustained mistakes can erode that goodwill and momentum in the long run and given how often and repeatedly Nintendo has ignored industry standards and norms to their detriment, I really can't fathom the defense force for them in this instance.
It's 2018 and Nintendo treats online connectivity like a passing fad. It's indefensible and potentially harmful if they don't course correct sooner rather than later.
And it was a goddamn travesty then too. What's with all the yeah but Sony does it too talk? We hate that Sony got away with this shit too.
The main difference is that Sony had the perfect trojan horse with their subscription service. PS Plus was FUCKING AMAZING going in to the PS4 launch. Before the PS4 came out if you weren't paying for PS Plus you were doing it wrong. It was a god tier service on PS3 and Vita. That actually played a big factor in the lack of a backlash. Many people had the attitude of, well I already happily pay for it so it doesn't affect me.
Later the quality of said service would seriously decline and it became clear that Sony fucked us all and did it n a very clever way and now it's too late to do anything about it.
Nintendo have no such luxury. They didn't build up a good reputation with their service over a long period then attach the shitty online paywall to it. They just started making people pay for something that was already shit and not good enough for a free service.
Nintendo have said since the launch of the Switch that online multiplayer would eventually become a paid service. It says it on the back of game boxes such as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Splatoon 2.
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Of course. I should have added "it sells really well for now", but it seemed redundant.
It still sells well and as such for all we know it was a "good business decision".
If the sales crumble next year then we'll revise our judgment.
I oftentimes feel people around here seem to be out of touch about what many consumers actually want for a console.
I'm pretty sure many of them can't even be bothered setting up their console online if it's not required one way or another. A game console is just a device where you plug a game (cartridge, disk, punched card, whatever) and can play with it.
"Cloud saves" are basically Klingon speech to them.
