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Dalek

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...capital-punishment-najib-balala-a8349966.html

Wildlife poachers in Kenya will face the death penalty, the country's tourism and wildlife minister has reportedly announced.

Najib Balala warned the tough new measure would be fast-tracked into law.

Existing deterrents against killing wild animals in the east African nation are insufficient, Mr Balala said, according to China's Xinhua news agency.

So in an effort to conserve Kenya's wildlife populations, poachers will reportedly face capital punishment once the new law is passed.

Kenya is home to a wide variety of treasured species in national parks and reserves, including lions, black rhinos, ostriches, hippos, buffalos, giraffe and zebra.

Last year in the country 69 elephants – out of a population of 34,000 - and nine rhinos – from a population of under 1,000 - were killed.

"We have in place the Wildlife Conservation Act that was enacted in 2013 and which fetches offenders a life sentence or a fine of US$200,000," Mr Balala reportedly said. "However, this has not been deterrence enough to curb poaching, hence the proposed stiffer sentence."

The move could put Kenya in conflict with the UN, which opposes the death penalty for all crimes worldwide.

UN General Assembly resolutions have called for a phasing-out of capital punishment, and the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights advocates its universal abolition.

Kenya's tourism chiefs say poaching has been on a downward trend largely thanks to enhanced wildlife law-enforcement efforts and investment in conservation.

"These efforts led to an 85 per cent reduction in rhino poaching and a 78 per cent reduction in elephant poaching, respectively, in 2017 compared to when poaching was at its peak in 2013 and 2012 respectively," the ministry said.

Nevertheless, earlier this month two black rhinos and a calf were poached at Meru national park.

And the losses are still extremely high, virtually cancelling out the overall population's growth rate, according to the Save the Rhino organisation. The charity points out many other African nations also suffer high rates of poaching.
 

Ploid 6.0

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So, like child porn can they also convict the buyers of these poached things just as hard? Even setting up stings and such?
 

John Dunbar

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if a lifetime in a kenyan prison does not deter someone from shooting an elephant, i'm not sure how the death penalty will, either.
 
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While I do applaud the Kenyan government for taking this matter seriously I doubt that the death penalty will deter poachers from illegally hunting.
 

Stuart444

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I'm mixed on this, I'm against the death penalty but at the same time, I hate poachers and wish something could be done

But then again, like has been said, I doubt this will deter most poachers anyway.

meh :(
 

DigitalOp

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Lol monkey paw like shit.

I'm not mad, you essentially have no right to kill animals simply because we're superior. I'm pretty sure that type of behavior is associated with being psychotic.
 

PMS341

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As long as this shuts down Jimmy John's for good.
 

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Oh yeah because it's been so well proven that the death penalty works exactly as intended.

The support for this here is mindless.
 

Jessie

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I'm against the death penalty. But at the same time, I'm all for protecting wildlife and no one should be poaching animals to get the death penalty anyway. I hope this acts as a deterrent, moreso than a punishment.
 

MrToughPants

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There should be a reward for killing poachers.
 

Pein

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BillyMays

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Had no idea so many here were in favour of the death penalty.

This seems weird sentiment

I wish more countries would bring back death penalty's from medival times and make them public.

It might not full stop poaching , child / woman trafficking , rape , murder, terrorism or other pedo behaviors.

But I bet that shit declines across the globe
 

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I'm more against the extinction of animals who need our help before they disappear of earth forever.

If death is the price you risk for ivory and penises and whatever else they want elephants and rhinos for, so be it.


This would be good too.


I'm just glad it's done wonders for the murder rates in the United States. And I'm relieved it has been applied so appropriately.
 

TheIdiot

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Poached animals have a death penalty imposed on them without any say. This seems fair.

From the article:

Kenya's tourism chiefs say poaching has been on a downward trend largely thanks to enhanced wildlife law-enforcement efforts and investment in conservation.

These efforts need to continue and ideally be improved. Enforcing capital punishment isn't a magical solution. And who's to say that if this law does indeed pass and is accepted (both by Kenya's government as well as by the UN) that it won't be applied for other crimes, or in other countries?

I find it shortsighted and distanced from reality to simply say "Good" to this news.
 

SupremeWu

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Unfortunately as long as there is a market, the poaching will continue. The real change will come when sufficient deterrents are enforced in places with the buyers, such as China.
 

MrSaturn99

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Ehh...I'm all for stopping poachers, but this is a step too far. If the "enhanced" wildlife law-enforcements were already working, then they should stick with what works and build upon that.
 

Kill3r7

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They should consider prosecuting the buyers.

This seems weird sentiment

I wish more countries would bring back death penalty's from medival times and make them public.

It might not full stop poaching , child / woman trafficking , rape , murder, terrorism or other pedo behaviors.

But I bet that shit declines across the globe

There is ample evidence that public hangings or lapidations do little to deter or prevent any of these things but by all means keep trying.
 
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This seems weird sentiment

I wish more countries would bring back death penalty's from medival times and make them public.

It might not full stop poaching , child / woman trafficking , rape , murder, terrorism or other pedo behaviors.

But I bet that shit declines across the globe
You say this like studies haven't been carried out regarding capital punishment as a deterrent.
 

bangai-o

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Poachers are probably a bunch of broke and desperate folks. The harsh penalty should be on the buyers.
 

BernardoOne

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This seems weird sentiment

I wish more countries would bring back death penalty's from medival times and make them public.

It might not full stop poaching , child / woman trafficking , rape , murder, terrorism or other pedo behaviors.

But I bet that shit declines across the globe
It doesn't stop shit. We already have the statistics. Death sentence is nothing but a barbaric innefective mess.
 

BillyMays

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They should consider prosecuting the buyers.



There is ample evidence that public hangings or lapidations do little to deter or prevent any of these things but by all means keep trying.

You say this like studies haven't been carried out regarding capital punishment as a deterrent.

It doesn't stop shit. We already have the statistics. Death sentence is nothing but a barbaric innefective mess.

I wanna see receipts and I wanna see them prior to the 80's because everyone knows the death penalty in its current form is impotent.
 

Heromanz

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This seems weird sentiment

I wish more countries would bring back death penalty's from medival times and make them public.

It might not full stop poaching , child / woman trafficking , rape , murder, terrorism or other pedo behaviors.

But I bet that shit declines across the globe
So we can send more innocent people to their death?


Also it's been known for like decades that the death penalty doesn't deter anyone.
 

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Had no idea so many here were in favour of the death penalty.

I'm guessing it's part of an emotional response to the crime. The thing is, the death penalty for this will suffer the same problems as it does for any other crime: expensive, inhumane, and prone to error. I'm all for dropping the fucking hammer on poachers (and the people who fund them), but not by killing other humans.
 
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People poach animals in Africa for the horns and skins, right?

Why doesn't a conglomerate of biotech firms just flood the black market with mass-produced GMO equivalents? Problem solved?

But yeah, the death penalty isn't necessarily going to stop people from doing this. Is sport hunting/big game hunting also included in the law? Trump Jr's favorite hobby
 

Karsticles

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This is the happiest I've been all week! :-D

People poach animals in Africa for the horns and skins, right?

Why doesn't a conglomerate of biotech firms just flood the black market with mass-produced GMO equivalents? Problem solved?
Appropriate name! Haha.

The people who want these things want it because it is killing endangered animals.
 

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I'm fundamentally opposed to death penalty and this is no exception. I don't approve fighting barbarism with barbarism, especially if I don't feel like it's going to be effective.
Best option would be to economically connect animals' well-being with otherwise-poachers' livelihood. At the very least, protection/observation of the animals must be the issue, therefore poachers probably don't fear any penalty, capital or not.
 
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