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Andri

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What exactly is the point of posts like these ?

Either you get people who agree with you, in which case you made an echo chamber, or you get people who disagree, in which case they get called Fanboys for not expecting the same thing as you.

Either way, no discussion of value is being held.
 

MegaRockEXE

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They're gonna have to do something about the cries this time. Whether it be their name or "animal sounds", a lot of the old cries just don't hold up, especially if they want more narrative. Maybe it will be a toggle between classic and new sounds at first, but change is the way to go.
You can't deny how silly it was in gen 7 where any time a Pokemon played it's cry in the overworld, it was just the same voice clip played back. It's so simplistic. Then you see they are capable of making more authentic interactions like in Detective Pikachu where the presentation far exceeds that of the main games.
 
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SilverX

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They're only more expressive because they have people making the cries and changing their tone and expression vs a singular audio clip being played in the games. Animals can do that too. There's absolutely nothing about emoting that saying their name in different tones would achieve better than making a cry in different tones

That's exactly it. Sure, I never said Gamefreak couldn't try to make the animal grunts more expressive, but I can't see it accomplishing what the anime does or hitting the same level as the VAs do.

You have to remember these are cartoony creatures who have shown to be more human-like in their interaction with the human characters than most other monsters from other series
 

Alent

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Oct 28, 2017
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Please. Just make the colours more vibrant and work on more interesting battle/idle animations. I actually think the overworlds in the 3DS games are nice but the Pokemon themselves... ehhhh, they're largely boring. That Hitmontop posted is so bad LOL. Mr Mime is tops tho.
 

sourbeef

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Oct 27, 2017
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Animation for 786 Pokémon who can perform hundreds if not thousands of different attacks against one another (many of which make contact) is not "easy"

Absolutely but let's be honest about how animated these attacks are. They still put a big symbolic fist up instead of letting my machop use his elbow. I mean, from a workload argument sure nobody should jerk this but the US/UM animation are a far cry from having actual impact.
 
Nov 14, 2017
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Anime voices, god no. They've always been terrible. Pokemon Origin really highlighted how much better it is to have the Pokemon just growl like, you know, animals.

I do at least think they should further upgrade the cries to Stadium 2 standards. Some of the cries still sound like the GB originals but slightly tweaked.
 

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What exactly is the point of posts like these ?

Either you get people who agree with you, in which case you made an echo chamber, or you get people who disagree, in which case they get called Fanboys for not expecting the same thing as you.

Either way, no discussion of value is being held.
I used to think like this until I realized this is the premise of every single thread ever made
 

Deleted member 721

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Reboot it.

Ash retires accepting he's a failure as pokémon Master, gets a Job with dr. Oak, get married, kids, and becomes the next Dr. of pallet
 

Cybersai

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Jan 8, 2018
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The only thing they could do is make unevolved pokemon in the games just as strong as evolved pokemon, which is something the anime does all the time.

Also the game Contests even with ORAS are still inferior to the anime ones. It's amazing.
 

malyse

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You know, if it meant they reworked all the animations and everything to make the battles more dynamic and interesting (aka Pokémon actually physically hit/bite each other and reacted to hit), I would be 100% okay with a remake of RBG with just the first 151. More on topic, going 1:1 with the anime is one of the worst ideas I've heard for Pokémon in a while. Hard pass, especially re: voices.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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3. Pokemon sounds are something people go back and forth on. Some find the retro monster noises to be nostalgic and more fitting for the games than how the anime makes the Pokemon repeat their names mostly for the sounds they make. Problem is, Pikachu adapted it's iconic anime sounds for speaking with the 3DS games and it makes a hard argument why the other Pokemon shouldn't follow suit.

No, it doesn't. First off, a reference for the anime doesn't mean that everyone else has to follow suit. Additionally, there's literally nothing that makes sense about a Pokemon that utters part of its name when compared to a scenario in which Pokemon growl like regular creatures.

That already exists, is the eviolite

That's wrong though. Eviolite only buffs your defenses if you're NFE. It doesn't make you have the same attacking power of one that is fully evolved.
 

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I'm alright with a lot of the cries being updated to be more animal-like, but hard pass on adopting the anime cries. Like, in the anime, it makes perfect sense because they don't have constant floating text right next to each Pokémon saying CHARIZARD or JOLTEON or whatever, and thus have to make up for that by doing stuff like having the Pokémon constantly say their names to help kids learn them.

In the games, however, it's the exact opposite situation. The Pokémon only say their cries when they're sent out/defeated, so that's not the most efficient way of conveying that information either way. In addition, the games DO have that text right next to each Pokémon's sprite/model saying exactly what it is in battle, so having them say their names in addition to that would be super redundant. Might as well use the cries to do something more fun, like making them sound more like animals since you have that HUD to fall back on that you don't in the show.

That's really what it comes down to; the game has a HUD, the show doesn't. So the anime came up with stuff like making the Pokémon say their names instead, which just isn't necessary in the games at all.

So hard pass on the anime cries. Don't want those anywhere near the games.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm on board with better animations. Of course I am.

I'm on board with fixing their washed out color. Who wouldn't be?

I'm absolutely against making them say their own names. That's anime shit and it's always been bad. Update the cries even more if you have to in order to make them sound more realistic, but don't do that anime shit to them. Keep the animal noises.
I like the existing trend of letting the cries be representative of the period in which they are from with minor updates, but creating better cries for new pokemon moving forward. It's fun to be able to hear the history in the game. But if they plan to replace them, do it with equivalent animal-like noises.
 
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Jom

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Oct 25, 2017
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Closer to the anime. So a game where you get to the end and lose horribly every time?
 

chaosaeon

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm a big fan of the old watercolor artstyle but it might be hard to do in motion. Would love to see it though.
 

GoldStarz

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll agree I think they should tweak some of the colors a bit. I get what they were trying to do but I don't think it worked out. I think most of the animations are fine, there are some that need changing or improvement and having more per Pokémon would be great, but I'll leave that to future iteration
 

Superman2x7

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Nov 4, 2017
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I hope they drop the anime or kill of ash I love them to do same they did with Zelda and Mario and go back

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This please! The anime hasn't "evolved" since its inception, its actually gotten worst. I rather they go back to the original look. Theres just so much good nostalgia looking at this picture.
 

Shedinja

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This please! The anime hasn't "evolved" since its inception, its actually gotten worst. I rather they go back to the original look. Theres just so much good nostalgia looking at this picture.
...But the anime never looked like that.

And I disagree that it hasn't evolved. The animation is so much better. The art style for the newest season, on the other hand, is something I'm not a fan of.
 

Madao

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Oct 26, 2017
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keep the anime cries outside the games please. that's very cringeworthy.

the anime should be the one taking more lessons from the game and give us the game's protag's adventures instead of Ash's failed journey.
 

Kyuur

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Oct 28, 2017
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I think the Pokemon colors and sounds we have are fine.

More animation is always great though. It's been a step-forward practically every generation so I don't really understand the complaint though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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This is a bit disingenuous. It has that animation and no others. In the actual games they have idle animals, 3-4 attack animations, and Pokemon Amie animations. Not to mention some pokemon have vastly better animations that fit them way better than the 2D ones did
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They could use VASTLY better hit animations because in Stadium you actually saw them knocked back from attacks. In the 3DS games they barely flinch, which looks super jarring after a huge Z-Move hits them
Sure but let's compare how much faster the 3DS games move compared to Stadium.

Anime is based on the games, not the other way around. Pikachu was a nice gimme, but that's it.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, give me creatures with a purpose and real personality. I shouldn't have to rely on mystery dungeon for that.

Thread title made me think you wanted a main character that can never win the League.

videogames are meant to be won, and pokemon is a particularly really easy one to beat. The anime had ash fighting nonsense characters who had legendaries much earlier than the elite 4 so im not sure you can even pull the "oh but I beat the league in the game but ash cant"
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Watch the Kalos League episodes and then come back and say that with a straight face.

sun and moon is the best its ever looked despite some people claiming otherwise. It was praised for what its doing by industry professionals and there are some good videos on that.
Kalos relied heavily on the 3D camera to where some of it looked downright awful (ie. the bird battle near the end with the ugly 3d cliffs)

Watch the Kanto episodes of Sun and Moon, thats maybe the best the anime has ever looked
 

Nitpicker_Red

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3. Pokemon sounds are something people go back and forth on. Some find the retro monster noises to be nostalgic and more fitting for the games than how the anime makes the Pokemon repeat their names mostly for the sounds they make. Problem is, Pikachu adapted it's iconic anime sounds for speaking with the 3DS games and it makes a hard argument why the other Pokemon shouldn't follow suit.
That one I'm not sure you could really plan for it even if you tried.

Pikachu, Togepi, Lugia, Lucario and other mascots have the same name in every language, but most "common" Pokémon have different names, and hence sometimes very different cries in the anime. Sometimes the anime also has cries that aren't names but more sounds. (It depends if the pokémon is an important character or not in the story I think?) It's not very consistent with pronounciations either. Pikachu might be the only "character" that has its dedicated voice actor too.
They voice each version differently in the anime because that's what they do with anime localisation, it happens pretty organically, but there are many more localisation languages of the game than there are localisations of the anime I think, and centralisation and standardisation requirements aren't at the same level.

Good remarks too below, they already updated the sounds once to make them sound less "grainy", might happen again:
I dont know how the japanese version does it, but GF isn't going to adopt the main cartoon's english method. Generations had natural animal sounds, which the games already mimic, but are held back by GF's dumbass nostalgia for the game boy effects. modernizing it wouldn't be mimicking the anime, it'd just be a modernized version of what already exists in the series

Now for the visuals, don't you think they'd continue to try to go anime in the "cartoon" way, like how the Dragonball game tried to nail the look of the anime, with the infamous cel-shading and thick outlines?
 
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lvl 99 Pixel

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That one I'm not sure you could really plan for it even if you tried.

Pikachu, Togepi, Lugia, Lucario and other mascots have the same name in every language, but most "common" Pokémon have different names, and hence sometimes very different cries in the anime. Sometimes the anime also has cries that aren't names but more sounds. (It depends if the pokémon is an important character or not in the story I think?) It's not very consistent with pronounciations either. Pikachu might be the only "character" that has its dedicated voice actor too.
They voice each version differently in the anime because that's what they do with anime localisation, it happens pretty organically, but there are many more localisation languages of the game than there are localisations of the anime I think, and centralisation and standardisation requirements aren't at the same level.


Now for the visuals, don't you think they'd continue to try to go anime in the "cartoon" way, like how the Dragonball game tried to nail the look of the anime, with the infamous cel-shading and thick outlines?

They could just go the Pokken route and have some of them speak gibberish. Its expressive and doesn't have translation issues, and doesnt sound like 90's cell ringtones
 
Oct 25, 2017
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sun and moon is the best its ever looked despite some people claiming otherwise. It was praised for what its doing by industry professionals and there are some good videos on that.
Kalos relied heavily on the 3D camera to where some of it looked downright awful (ie. the bird battle near the end with the ugly 3d cliffs)

Watch the Kanto episodes of Sun and Moon, thats maybe the best the anime has ever looked
Thanks for agreeing with my overall point while making it look bad.
 

Superman2x7

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Nov 4, 2017
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sun and moon is the best its ever looked despite some people claiming otherwise. It was praised for what its doing by industry professionals and there are some good videos on that.
Kalos relied heavily on the 3D camera to where some of it looked downright awful (ie. the bird battle near the end with the ugly 3d cliffs)

Watch the Kanto episodes of Sun and Moon, thats maybe the best the anime has ever looked


I'll give it a look at, I'm just over the anime in general. I'm 30 years old now, I remember watching the anime when I was in the 6th grade!! Yet with all of that said, when I catch an episode on t.v. I'm just dazzled that the atmosphere and story of the show hasn't changed a single bit, in fact some of the writing seems to have regressed. I get it, it's still heavily geared towards children but my goodness, Ash has been 10 years old for over 20 years now.

Not just crapping on the anime because I feel like its stale, but they're good cartoons out there that are still engaging enough for an adult and children to watch. I'm in love with Troll Hunters, Voltron on Netflix and I'm even e enjoying the episodes of Ducktales I catch every so often. When I happen to catch an episode of pokemon though, I cant do anything but roll my eyes at what I'm hearing and seeing.

Regardless, the last game I actually invested time in was Sapphire. So whatever they release on the Switch, it'll be an interesting one for me at least since I haven't played the games in ages.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Thanks for agreeing with my overall point while making it look bad.

You think that looks bad? Aito Ohashi has been doing crazy things for the series for some time, and the 2d animation for XYZ looked great a lot of the time

I'll give it a look at, I'm just over the anime in general. I'm 30 years old now, I remember watching the anime when I was in the 6th grade!! Yet with all of that said, when I catch an episode on t.v. I'm just dazzled that the atmosphere and story of the show hasn't changed a single bit, in fact some of the writing seems to have regressed. I get it, it's still heavily geared towards children but my goodness, Ash has been 10 years old for over 20 years now.

The atmosphere has changed slightly in the most recent series. Its still clearly for the same target audience, its just handled better imo, and team rocket finally got a new gag (even if its still used a lot). Hes not going to grow into an adult any more than if you expected Detective Conan to, and its always been a weird complaint about a cartoon character.

You're going to be playing as children in the games too, and the rival and friends will be their age, so it would be incredibly weird to have Ash as an adult hanging around children as funny as that sounds.
 
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ILikeFeet

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Now for the visuals, don't you think they'd continue to try to go anime in the "cartoon" way, like how the Dragonball game tried to nail the look of the anime, with the infamous cel-shading and thick outlines?
no. I think with the Switch games, they'll adopt a realistic lighting approach in that shadows will accurately reflect topology and cast realistic shadows off everything. none of that flat look

I hope anyway, I absolutely despise the lack of contrast anime games have all for the sake of "looking 2D". fucking hate it
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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no. I think with the Switch games, they'll adopt a realistic lighting approach in that shadows will accurately reflect topology and cast realistic shadows off everything. none of that flat look

I hope anyway, I absolutely despise the lack of contrast anime games have all for the sake of "looking 2D". fucking hate it

I dunno. Id much rather have had Pokken looking like Naruto or DBFZ style than the ugly pseudo realistic style they went with. Realistic lighting might just contrast with how simple the characters anatomy is and look ugly. Which game example would you have it looking more like?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I dunno. Id much rather have had Pokken looking like Naruto or DBFZ style than the ugly pseudo realistic style they went with. Realistic lighting might just contrast with how simple the characters anatomy is and look ugly. Which game example would you have it looking more like?
Cartoons still largely follow actual/real lighting. They might slightly exaggerate it, but they still shade and highlight their characters like actual objects would be in the real world.

The atmosphere has changed slightly in the most recent series. Its still clearly for the same target audience, its just handled better imo, and team rocket finally got a new gag (even if its still used a lot). Hes not going to grow into an adult any more than if you expected Detective Conan to, and its always been a weird complaint about a cartoon character.

You're going to be playing as children in the games too, and the rival and friends will be their age, so it would be incredibly weird to have Ash as an adult hanging around children as funny as that sounds.

There are series similar to pokemon where the characters have aged. Digimon is one of them. Not to mention in BW and XY they did have you player as older teenagers, and in fact in BW, most of the characters were older aside from Iris. They then reverted back to little kids again in SM, sadly