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Nirolak

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I don't think getting upset at the OP is the correct idea here.

It's good for people to point out issues and ask questions on these kinds of topics. This is how discussions start and change happens.

Now, sometimes the issue is already in the process of being resolved and the poster simply didn't know, but that isn't a reason to yell at them, as it makes them less likely to ask questions in cases where the problem may have never been brought up yet.
 

renzollama

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https://kotaku.com/the-witchers-author-doesnt-get-one-cent-from-the-games-1793611471

The "animosity" between the author and CDPR is old news, he's given multiple interviews where he completely admits that he chose a terrible deal because he thought the games would be a big failure and wanted a quick cash out over royalties. He's very candid about it and says (paraphrasing from several interviews here) that he's happy the games have opened up the universe he created to more people around the world and provided more business opportunities for him. It's a non-issue in 2018.

Edit: The kotaku article is basically a link to the real eurogamer interview here
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-sapkowski-the-writer-who-created-the-witcher
 

lupianwolf

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He sold the rights to CDPR rather than receiving a percentage of profits from each game. So effectively, he made little to no money aside from an initial payment selling the rights to make the games. That's why he's salty. Can't blame him, people do think the games led to the books, given that the books use game art. On the other hand, he really doesn't like games as a medium.

Doesn't that make him such a huge asshole and deserving of so many insults and negativity /s

Witcher game fans are super disgusting with how they talk about him.
 

Tibarn

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On the other hand, he really doesn't like games as a medium.
Yes, but he should try to hide his tastes on the videogame medium a little, it's pretty obvious that the games helped his books sell better, and that even if some people is wrong and think that the games are videogame adaptations, I'm sure that lots of people discovered the books thanks to the games and are aware that who took inpiration in who.
 

BDS

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I don't know if CDPR is racist, necessarily, but they do almost certainly have a major blind spot around race on account of living in a country that's like 98% white.
 

Famassu

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No, you see. IF this thread was about that, I'd be totally OK with it, as I said, the writer is well intentioned in having a diverse cast and it's a fantastic decision..

This thread is about how CDPR are silently supporting nazim and that is just untrue, and a dangerous extremist view.
CDPR does have some issues with representation. I don't think that can be denied. I don't think that makes them nazi sympathizers, hopefully/probably just a bit ignorant about the power of representation (and how it DOES need to be actively pushed and big globally relevant companies have some responsibility to do so) at worst. It would be good if they addressed the issue a bit more vocally, take away the nazi scumbag's ammo that their games are for alt-right nazis for good.
 

aSqueakyLime

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The Witcher is a fantasy universe based on germanic/slavic/celtic folklore and myths, of course you wont see black people there.
That wasn't my point. I'm saying you have far more creative liberties than you would dealing with an actual place like Russia. They also diversified in the DLC so your point becomes kind of moot.
 

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Doesn't that make him such a huge asshole and deserving of so many insults and negativity /s

Witcher game fans are super disgusting with how they talk about him.

Some are disgusting, but most really do appreciate his work. His novels and short-stories were amazing.

Yes, but he should try to hide his tastes on the videogame medium a little, it's pretty obvious that the games helped his books sell better, and that even if some people is wrong and think that the games are videogame adaptations, I'm sure that lots of people discovered the books thanks to the games and are aware that who took inpiration in who.

That's true. He should give the games more credit. He believes the games didn't relate to an increase in sales of his books, so as you say he should respect the medium more.
 

Tibarn

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Witcher game fans are super disgusting with how they talk about him.
Agreed.
The most special element from the games, the gray morality and the cruel and realistic (albeit fantastic) universe is basically copied from the books.
Did CPDR a good job adapting the universe? Yes, but without Sapkowski, there wouldn't be Witcher games, the studio created the games in admiration and love for the book saga.
 

Bhonar

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I can only remember two in all of the books. So no

No, not really. Iirc there were 2 women but they weren't around much.

Ok, that's what I thought. My impression in the past from people who've read the books made it sound like it was mostly white characters.

So even if this Netflix show was truly only based on the books, and not the video games, why would they make a lot of non-white chars then??
 

Se_7_eN

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Getting mad over a diverse cast MIGHT be a sign you are a racist...
 
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lemonade

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What is this title? You are not comfortable with CDPR because some racist moron attacked the show runner?

If you have ever read the books, you will know the diversity and conflict depicted in the books is revolved around human/elf/dwarf/etc. Not once was skin color/human race depicted as the conflict in the story. In that sense, CDPR actually did a good job of representing the elf/human/dwarf conflicts.

I'm sure CDPR will introduce characters of different racial background if they were to make more Witcher games.

Also, the TV show is entirely separated from the games, so CDPR has no obligation to comment on the matter. I'm sure if the media brought it up to them, they will shut down all racist comments like any other major developer would.
 

Pilgore

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I mean, look at Star Trek. Has lots of rightwing fans that see Kirk as a badass womanizing Captain while simultaneously losing their minds about Discovery because the lead is a black women. Fanbases suck, don't be a fan of anything. Just stand on the side lines quietly enjoying it for yourself. It's not worth it.
 

Zacmortar

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The way you and almost everyone in this thread is correlating Black People with Diversity and Different Backgrounds makes it sound like you are downplaying all of Europe's History to the skin color of a person.

If a Game/Book/Movie were to include one person from every Country in the World, with the condition they are white, would there be no Different Backgrounds then?
All of europes history isn't alive today nor in need of representation
 

SlimeKnight

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Awww, are the little alt-right neo-Nazi snowflakes triggered because a Netflix show is being inclusive and not catering to their white power fantasies? Fuck 'em.

The games don't even do that and are actually quite progressive in their themes and messages (despite a lack of representation). But hey, it's not like these people are bright or anything.
 

Nere

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It's interesting because one of the core elements in Witcher was actually racism and intolerance. Yet they managed to tell that story in an all white culture.

Hopefully Cyberpunk will shift from that entirely.

Posts like these really make me sad. What is wrong with an all white culture? You guys might only want to see diversity based on race but the Witcher 3 is diverse as well, on culture. It introduced the Slavic culture to masses and many myths and creatures that exist there. Which other game has showed Slavic culture? None that I can think of. But of course, the Witcher isn't diverse because it doesn't have any black people in it....
 
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Posts like these really make me sad. What is wrong with an all white culture? You guys might only want to see diversity based on race but the Witcher 3 is diverse as well, on culture. It introduced the Slavic culture to masses and many myths and creatures that exist there. Which other game has showed Slavic culture? None that I can think of. But of course, the Witcher isn't diverse because it doesn't have any black people in it....


For some people diversity means skin color and not other cultures.
 

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Something can be massively popular in one small country and completely nonexistant everywhere else. Witcher has always been popular in Poland, but the games are the reason it's such a massive success everywhere else.

Q: Is it still popular in poland?
A: Yes, it is.

Therefore, the games are not what made the series popular. It's what made the series popular in English-speaking circles at most. Much like it wasn't the LOTR movie trilogy that made LOTR popular, it just made them popular among younger people. Do you understand the difference? The games simply made the series more known, but it didn't make the series known.

No, you see. IF this thread was about that, I'd be totally OK with it, as I said, the writer is well intentioned in having a diverse cast and it's a fantastic decision..

This thread is about how CDPR are silently supporting nazim and that is just untrue, and a dangerous extremist view.

No, this is simply your imagination and persecution complex running rampant. This has not been claimed in this thread. This thread is about alt-righters freaking out and attacking the Netflix series over their manufactured outrage.

STRANGE how similar, easily offended snowflakes like the guy whining about the "alt-left", or the guy whining that "people are saying CDPR is silently supporting nazim" then immediately pop out in that thread to try to redirect the topic away from alt-right idiots getting their panties in a twist over minor diversity in a Netflix series. Strange indeed.

For some people diversity means skin color and not other cultures.

And other people freak out the moment someone isn't white. Quite numerous, those.
 

Branu

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It's interesting because one of the core elements in Witcher was actually racism and intolerance. Yet they managed to tell that story in an all white culture.

Hopefully Cyberpunk will shift from that entirely.

Yeah, there was a running thread that was about race and bigotry, themes that I felt the game approached with a nuanced and realistic way that I found extremely impressive - especially so, when you see the game was made by guys who came from a rather homogeneous region. The quality of TW3's take on racism is even more stark when you compare it to another RPG like Deus Ex: Mankind, which had such a simplistic and almost childish interpretation of the racial climate in modern society. I know that TW3 (at least, the main game) was basically all-white, but think benefit of the doubt should be given to CDPR.
 

lemonade

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He actually kind of looked like black Geralt in Ragnarok.

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"Hey, it's Heimdall, also Roland from that crappy Dark Tower movie."

- Average Witcher TV show viewer probably.
 

Zacmortar

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Posts like these really make me sad. What is wrong with an all white culture? You guys might only want to see diversity based on race but the Witcher 3 is diverse as well, on culture. It introduced the Slavic culture to masses and many myths and creatures that exist there. Which other game has showed Slavic culture? None that I can think of. But of course, the Witcher isn't diverse because it doesn't have any black people in it....
White people are the racists in todays society, and telling a story where they're victims of racism with 0 people of color is exploiting a minority's problem, that white people caused, for entertainment.

You can have different cultures AND representation! Mutual exclusivity this is not
 

DarkFlame92

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I don't see the problem.
So according to some people every developer should put every race/etnicity in their games because...? I just don't understand that.

And we had a black merchant on TW3 HoS expansion.

because forced diversity friend. Some people need to understand that the developers should achieve their own vision,whether this includes a game full of asians,black or white people or a mix of every skin color/race at whatever ratio they decide. If devs have to consider not offending someone everytime they create a game/movie,then art is gonna get stale pretty quickly.

Stop censoring video games or movies,which is essentially an expression of art, due to political agendas,whether it's coming from left or right political backrounds
 

dex3108

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First thing first people in general should stop using "left" and "right" to label political and other views because guess what not all countries have two party systems.

Second thing attacking anybody online for any reason is stupid and those people should be ignored. If you want to express your opinion at least you can do is be civil and have normal discussion.

Now what kinda hurts me the most when people talk about games with themes from Eastern Europe is how little some of them care about culture itself. Slavic people are on this Earth for a loooooong and there are so many myths and stories for example that both Sapkowski and CDPR used as base for developing world of Witcher. And guess what slavic regions were through the ages predominantly white. And they are showed like that for ages. And suddenly creators are kinda not allowed anymore to show their culture as they want it. As it is not enough to show whole another culture not represented in entertainment media that much. And that hurts me as slavic person in for example this Witcher case.

And I am not racist or homophobic, or xenophobic..., my parents taught me to not make difference between people except to distinguish good and bad ones (and my parents did take a lot of sh*t during and post war for helping their friends that were other religion or nationality, so they did show me how to be good person not just tell). But it really feels sometimes that you are getting robbed of your culture to meet Western diversity standards these days.
 

Famassu

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The way you and almost everyone in this thread is correlating Black People with Diversity and Different Backgrounds makes it sound like you are downplaying all of Europe's History to the skin color of a person.

If a Game/Book/Movie were to include one person from every Country in the World, with the condition they are white, would there be no Different Backgrounds then?
I never said anything about that diversity only needing to be about skin colour, but with depicting a diverse world with characters from all over the world (Witcher 3 has a fairly big port town, it's likely that they'd have people from all over the world bring their wares there), you are gonna have people who aren't all white.

The Witcher is a fantasy universe based on germanic/slavic/celtic folklore and myths, of course you wont see black people there.
Non-white people existed in these regions then. We've done trade with distant countries with a wide variety of cultures and skin colours for a hell of a long time and that wasn't a one way street.
 

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Everyone's offended no matter what you do or don't do. My advice is they should make the thing they want to make and if someone's going to get mad because it doesn't have enough PoC or has too much, reply with a middle finger and go about your day. Twitter has enabled every asshat in the world to cause a stir over anything they want.
So both sides deserve a middle finger and not be listened to?
 

Wulfram

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First thing first people in general should stop using "left" and "right" to label political and other views because guess what not all countries have two party systems.

You don't need a two party system for "left" and "right" to be valid. The terminology came from European politics, which was frequently multi-party
 

Zacmortar

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First thing first people in general should stop using "left" and "right" to label political and other views because guess what not all countries have two party systems.

Second thing attacking anybody online for any reason is stupid and those people should be ignored. If you want to express your opinion at least you can do is be civil and have normal discussion.

Now what kinda hurts me the most when people talk about games with themes from Eastern Europe is how little some of them care about culture itself. Slavic people are on this Earth for a loooooong and there are so many myths and stories for example that both Sapkowski and CDPR used as base for developing world of Witcher. And guess what slavic regions were through the ages predominantly white. And they are showed like that for ages. And suddenly creators are kinda not allowed anymore to show their culture as they want it. As it is not enough to show whole another culture not represented in entertainment media that much. And that hurts me as slavic person in for example this Witcher case.

And I am not racist or homophobic, or xenophobic..., my parents taught me to not make difference between people except to distinguish good and bad ones (and my parents did take a lot of sh*t during and post war for helping their friends that were other religion or nationality, so they did show me how to be good person not just tell). But it really feels sometimes that you are getting robbed of your culture to meet Western diversity standards these days.
considering that homosexuality exists everywhere no matter what and isn't regional, genes, or race related, Imma just gonna ignore you mentioned that.

Secondly, you can have both the culture and black people. Lmao you're whiteness aint the culture, the culture is the sum of knowledge, beliefs, and customs practiced by people who happen to be white. Black people, and other ethnicities, can exist in this same space, sharing these cultural beliefs and traditions.

race =/= culture, and race needs representation
 

Potterson

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I don't get what Sapkowski's being praised for here. The diversity in the Witcher saga is the same as in games. Not very much PoC characters. (Yes, I have read them all).
 

Xaero Gravity

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On a side note. They should get Idris Elba to play Geralt. Just to get these guys even more pissed off. He has the grit for it IMO.
He's an amazing actor, but to be completely honest, I'm not the biggest fan of changing the race of an established, regardless of what the initial race was. I do think he'd make a great Witcher, but let him thrive as his own original character.
 

Derrick01

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So both sides deserve a middle finger and not be listened to?

Yes. The nazis and the people who go around with a diversity checklist like "your show only had 11 PoC and not a min. of 15. Also not enough gay people. I'm going to have to write an angry tweet about you now". They all deserve to be ignored.

I'd also settle for twitter being wiped out so none of these people have voices on the internet anymore. It's truly a plague on society.
 

Kurdel

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I love how people are on the defending the all-white aspet of this game, when we can clearly see the kind of trash racists it has attracted and who are lashing out at this Netflix production.
 

Zacmortar

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Everyone's offended no matter what you do or don't do. My advice is they should make the thing they want to make and if someone's going to get mad because it doesn't have enough PoC or has too much, reply with a middle finger and go about your day. Twitter has enabled every asshat in the world to cause a stir over anything they want.
Equating bigots to minorities is always an endearing trait
 

Nere

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White people are the racists in todays society, and telling a story where they're victims of racism with 0 people of color is exploiting a minority's problem, that white people caused, for entertainment.

You can have different cultures AND representation! Mutual exclusivity this is not
What do you mean with that even "White people are the racists in todays society"?
 

Zacmortar

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Yes. The nazis and the people who go around with a diversity checklist like "your show only had 11 PoC and not a min. of 15. Also not enough gay people. I'm going to have to write an angry tweet about you now". They all deserve to be ignored.

I'd also settle for twitter being wiped out so none of these people have voices on the internet anymore. It's truly a plague on society.
nobody does this, this is a altright joke on how minorities can rightfully be upset at shitty things
 

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Stop censoring video games or movies,

Indeed. As someone actually working on games, the censorship is usually in form of people like you demanding non-white/non-male/non-straight characters being cut.
That's 99% of censorship in the industry and happens so, so, so often. The remaining 1% is pedophile content being cut from Japanese games, which isn't a loss.

Not once have I seen a white dude character being ~censored~. Not once. And no, adding more options isn't censorship. It's the literal opposite.

The Witcher is a fantasy universe based on germanic/slavic/celtic folklore and myths, of course you wont see black people there.

Having a game depict a slavic culture: Not racist. Having a game depict only white people in that setting? Not neccessarily racist, either.

Your opinion here: Pretty fucking racist and at the same time also equally stupid. Why would a fantasy universe based on germanic/slavic stories automatically not have black people? That's stupid, and ignores actual history. You do realize that even in the time of the romans there were black people in European areas, do you? Even the *Asterix* comics, a series explicitedly set in Gaullic France, showed several people that weren't white multiple times. (Not that I'd call those portrayals good, but they absolutely existed) And guess what, these comics didn't spontaneously combust. There's literally nothing that magically prevents characters that aren't pasty white from appearing in stories with european folklore/history backgrounds. There's nothing inherent to these stories that excludes non-white characters.

Quite the opposite: Having non-white characters tends to make them more accurate. The accuracy argument in other words doesn't fly. If you want a game that depicts your ideal white-only world, just make that, but don't hide behind the lie of accuracy for it.
 

JahIthBer

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I love how people are on the defending the all-white aspet of this game, when we can clearly see the kind of trash racists it has attracted and who are lashing out at this Netflix production.
Thing is God of War is all White & doesn't attract this crowd, im not entirely sure why Witcher 3 does though, also it does have some Arab characters, but yeah in general the diversity isn't there. but in the Witcher world there is mentions of Non White areas, particularly to the East, it would have been interesting if we got a DLC there.
 
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