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The alt-right attack on the Netflix Witcher makes me feel a bit uncomfortable about CDPR
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Yes, and they are making a game based on a tabletop RPG made by a black man...
Your story reminds me of that article where a journalist was arguing about whether or not white kids should be allowed to buy Black Panther toy figures.
Some people are just dumb.
Coincidentally enough, I'm currently replaying TW3 for the first time since launch. I just found the Wolf School gear, which I believe was added in a later patch. There is a corpse with a letter of apology that reads:
"[illegible fragment] ...we all make mistakes, for to err is human. The key is to learn from one's errors. If something breaks, it must be fixed. And if our mistake harms another, the injured party must be recompensed for his frazzled nerves and lost time.
"We thus apologize and ask for forgiveness. Evil is not what we do!
C. de P.R."
Let's hope that's how CDPR feels about the lack of diversity in TW3, as well.
"[illegible fragment] ...we all make mistakes, for to err is human. The key is to learn from one's errors. If something breaks, it must be fixed. And if our mistake harms another, the injured party must be recompensed for his frazzled nerves and lost time.
"We thus apologize and ask for forgiveness. Evil is not what we do!
C. de P.R."
Let's hope that's how CDPR feels about the lack of diversity in TW3, as well.
Could you point me anywhere in the article about including a Black guy in the work? Thanks.
Why would CDPR ever comment on the shitty portion of the Witcher fanbase? To do so would be a PR nightmare that does far more bad than good. It's far better to ignore the small percentage of shitty fans.
There will always be the people who think a company should "condemn" certain fan views, but those fans will always exist regardless of what CDPR does and there's nothing to gain from doing so.
Glad to hear that the Netflix show is happy to be as diverse as possible.
There will always be the people who think a company should "condemn" certain fan views, but those fans will always exist regardless of what CDPR does and there's nothing to gain from doing so.
Glad to hear that the Netflix show is happy to be as diverse as possible.
He actually kind of looked like black Geralt in Ragnarok.
Quick! How do I get in touch with the show runners!?
We can do this Era!
Gotta be honest, you could fill a list just with point 5, because that's where it starts and ends with Sapkowski. He's all about the moolah, and is very on record about it and the fact that the games overshadow the books.
I've no doubt the TV series is in good hands, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater with regards to CDPR, eh?
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I mean if the game aimed for a more historically accurate setting then I don't see why the show can't. If it's fear of pressure from the Alt-Left which the Kingdom Come devs faced then that's kind of silly.
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It isn't how you or I would do it, but it is a country where all of the black people can fit on a single schoolbus, so the fact that they're addressing race at all is noteworthy.
That said, there's also truth to their approach. Race is a construct, and has been understood differently in every society. In America, someone is consider "ethnic" or even "non-white" if they speak Spanish, where in Europe that would be seen as retarded. Race isn't actually about skin tone, that's just how people obsess over it here and now.
They did that, it was called True Blood and it ran for 7 seasons.
A small scale story doesn't necessarily have to include diversity. But grander tales are weird if it's uniform culture and people. Black and other non-white people didn't just magically pop into existence in the western world one day 30 years ago. They've been here for a long-ass time. It can also make for a more interesting world and story to include people of different backgrounds. No one has anything to lose and everything to win by including more diversity so your temper tantrum just comes off as sad and pathetic.
I really doubt they will considering Mike Pondsmith is working on the game. As the co-creator of 2077 I doubt he'd let shit like that slide.
CDPR is drawing a lot of inspiration from his board game and brought him on the project in order to help create the world of Cyberpunk 2077.
I doubt CDPR themselves is doing anything bad, but their fanbase has always been somewhat toxic, so some offshoots of it freaking out isn't really surprising.
They originally hyped "The Witcher" as some sort of "take that" to the "SJWs", so seeing women/PoC working on it is kinda undermining their narrative, hence the freakout.
That's all there is to it. No need for CDPR to be involved, they likely don't even want to touch the shitstorm idiots in their fanbase created, and I don't fault them for it.
Yeah, no. They made the games based on his books because they are popular in poland. He did make a mistake not getting royalties, obviously, but claiming his works are only popular due to the games is dumb.
Typical alt-right outrage culture. Love how desperate you are to pretend an "alt-left" exists, though. It's almost adorable.
They originally hyped "The Witcher" as some sort of "take that" to the "SJWs", so seeing women/PoC working on it is kinda undermining their narrative, hence the freakout.
That's all there is to it. No need for CDPR to be involved, they likely don't even want to touch the shitstorm idiots in their fanbase created, and I don't fault them for it.
Yeah, no. They made the games based on his books because they are popular in poland. He did make a mistake not getting royalties, obviously, but claiming his works are only popular due to the games is dumb.
Typical alt-right outrage culture. Love how desperate you are to pretend an "alt-left" exists, though. It's almost adorable.
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When did I say they were racist? I said I feel a bit uncomfortable with them in light of what's happening with the Netflix show. Just like I could sometimes feel uncomfortable watching Jack Bauer mow down bad guys in 24, because the show had a very large, loud right wing fanbase.
It's uncomfortable to see something you love(The Witcher 3) being championed by abhorrent people. Gamergaters loved Geralt for being a totally straight white badass that fucked every woman that moved, despite the fact that Geralt was pretty damn progressive and empathetic.
This I agree 100% with
This I don't lol, I'm not the one creating a PR storm out of nothing.
In a thread about an alt-right attack on a Netflix show for being too diverse, people are in this thread talking both sides and wondering why everything needs to have diversity.
CD Projekt did accept the criticism post release, and noted that they would make sure to be more aware of this kind of thing in the future.
They started by adding Zerrikanians in The Witcher 3's DLC, and there's certainly a strong expectation that Cyberpunk will look quite diverse.
To me, the issue is not making an oversight in the first place, it's how you respond to it, and CD Projekt seemed to act correctly there.
Now, if Cyberpunk is all white people, I don't see any issue with dragging them through the streets over it, but I do think it makes sense to judge more by how people act when confronted with the issue than what they did before they were.
This is also the whole Apu issue with The Simpsons. The issue is less than Apu existed, but how the creators of The Simpsons responded when they were called out on the issue.
They started by adding Zerrikanians in The Witcher 3's DLC, and there's certainly a strong expectation that Cyberpunk will look quite diverse.
To me, the issue is not making an oversight in the first place, it's how you respond to it, and CD Projekt seemed to act correctly there.
Now, if Cyberpunk is all white people, I don't see any issue with dragging them through the streets over it, but I do think it makes sense to judge more by how people act when confronted with the issue than what they did before they were.
This is also the whole Apu issue with The Simpsons. The issue is less than Apu existed, but how the creators of The Simpsons responded when they were called out on the issue.
This is true, but it's also nothing you can really control. The most popular a thing becomes, the most likely it is to reach the eyes of bad people, it applies to literally everything. It's not CDPR's fault.
I always viewed CDPR adding Oifery people into the DLC as them acknowledging their error, even if I'm not convinced it was the best way to go about it.
I don't like the way CDPR has handled this stuff in the past, and how they've continued to handle it. Coming out and saying things is a much better tactic than just ignoring it. Their messaging around has been weak. That said, I have a feeling it won't be an issue with Cyberpunk given that Mike Pondsmith is involved in the production.
I don't like the way CDPR has handled this stuff in the past, and how they've continued to handle it. Coming out and saying things is a much better tactic than just ignoring it. Their messaging around has been weak. That said, I have a feeling it won't be an issue with Cyberpunk given that Mike Pondsmith is involved in the production.
its possible that they most likely never did , especially on the countryside ... blame the nazis ... they viewed ethnic Poles as subhuman
the bolded is kinda offensive ... what is this white culture .. that doesnt exist
Witcher is one of the rare cases of games that are actually exploring slavic culture and myths ..... aka ethicum rarely explored in videogames. But just because our ethnicum has white skin we arent allowed to explore our history and culture in videogames?? Just because western has ddifferent diversity standards?
Meanwhile little to no czech person complained like this online in relation to awfull depiction of the people and city in DXMD...i guess we just dont care and are glad that at least someone is depicting our little country .. even if badly
You do realise that Metro, a post apocalyptic Russian setting (where Russia today is almost wholly white), and Witcher, a fantasy setting with elves and magic, aren't comparable in this context. Right?
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He actually kind of looked like black Geralt in Ragnarok.
Wow yeah he has my vote!
Yea the alt-rights love of the Witcher game series always gave me a bit of pause. The DLC for Witcher 3 made attempts at diversifying the cast but it's annoying how peoples perception of the property in the west is centered on the games.
You are part of the problem if you publicly answer to the ramblings of mainly obese antisocial trolls that predominantly post on anime oriented sites
It's interesting that KCD & Witcher 3 have this White nationalist fanbase behind them just because the cast is all White, but the new God of War doesn't, having said that, Cory would no doubt speak up against them if that did happen, CDPR should hopefully do the same.
God damn I remember that dumb ass article. White people need to just sit down and get outraged when we tell them to, stop trying to guess what we might be outraged about. We exist, ask us before you make yourself look like an idiot. No, we don't care about white kids dressing up as Black Panther, we want to see that. On the other hand, DO get outraged when a fucking barista tries to call the cops on us for sitting in Starbucks.
He sold the rights to CDPR rather than receiving a percentage of profits from each game. So effectively, he made little to no money aside from an initial payment selling the rights to make the games. That's why he's salty. Can't blame him, people do think the games led to the books, given that the books use game art. On the other hand, he really doesn't like games as a medium.
It's the nazis who attacked the showrunners for showing some diversity that the Netflix show will have and this is the showrunners explaining themselves. There is no controversy from the progressive side, the butthurt snowflakes are all white trash nazis.
Wait, the books ARE diverse? Because the line I see people regurgitating is "EUROPEAN FANTASY OF COURSE IT'S WHITE LOLZ."
That's...interesting.
That's...interesting.
They probably hadn't seen a black person in real life
Is that really so hard to believe?
Which I'm really happy about. They're changing for the better, which is how most countries should in modern times. We aren't in disconnected world anymore where unless you went miles away you'd never know a chinese or black man existed. The internets here, and it's vital to business and social everyday life now. The excuse of "its a different culture." Isn't a valid excuse anymore because if your making a major media project like a videogame, the likelihood that you're using the internet, that you get fan/consumer feedback, that you see minority voices, is now a near guarantee. I've hated that excuse for years, because developers aren't isolated anymore.
Though, this is general frustration fueled a lot by Persona 5 recently than this specific case. These producers/writers/directors are making a good change, and that should be celebrated.
Also, lol, thank god I avoided that show like I did. Yikes.
Something can be massively popular in one small country and completely nonexistant everywhere else. Witcher has always been popular in Poland, but the games are the reason it's such a massive success everywhere else.
No, you see. IF this thread was about that, I'd be totally OK with it, as I said, the writer is well intentioned in having a diverse cast and it's a fantastic decision..
This thread is about how CDPR are silently supporting nazim and that is just untrue, and a dangerous extremist view.
"White"-on-"white" racism has been a thing throughout Europe's history.
Everyone's offended no matter what you do or don't do. My advice is they should make the thing they want to make and if someone's going to get mad because it doesn't have enough PoC or has too much, reply with a middle finger and go about your day. Twitter has enabled every asshat in the world to cause a stir over anything they want.
The Witcher is a fantasy universe based on germanic/slavic/celtic folklore and myths, of course you wont see black people there.
I fear for Sucker Punch facing this same issue with Ghost of Tsushima. I mean people wouldn't condemn just Witcher and Kingdom Come without condemning Ghost of Tsushima for any particular reason.
The way you and almost everyone in this thread is correlating Black People with Diversity and Different Backgrounds makes it sound like you are downplaying all of Europe's History to the skin color of a person.
If a Game/Book/Movie were to include one person from every Country in the World, with the condition they are white, would there be no Different Backgrounds then?
I like geralt, buuuuuuuuuuut if given the choice I'd rather play as Idris Elba.He actually kind of looked like black Geralt in Ragnarok.
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