That statement doesn't exist in a vaccuum. That's not how you analyze box office. At least not how you do it properly, in my opinion. I second the nuanced Deadline's analysis of Squad.
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Wkd Box Office - 5•4-6•18 - Thanos throws competition Overboard, stays BO champ ($112M 2nd wkd)
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That statement doesn't exist in a vaccuum. That's not how you analyze box office. At least not how you do it properly, in my opinion. I second the nuanced Deadline's analysis of Squad.
The discussion is profitability, that's a fundamentally mathematical discussion. If you want to argue how the film wasn't really a success don't engage in a discussion about profitabilty. It'd still say it was a success but not the kind you can launch a franchise off of, quite the opposite really.
No, it's not. We have the literal numbers.
You're wrong. There is no debate. Just admit you're wrong.
Ehhh. I was at least able to be entertained by the novelty of BVS, which was just as bad, but I knew exactly what Suicide Squad was 5 minutes into the film and wanted out. It was so bad.
It's the reason I couldn't bring myself to pay to see Wonder Woman or Justice League.
Do we know it garnered a lot of repeat viewings? I figured it was mostly one-and-dones, even with those numbers. No way most people paid to see that twice.
I won't because I find that discussion without contextualization baseless. My take on it.
It's not, everything in a business demands context, especially one as big as movie making. That's my 2 cents on it. Things are more nuanced than a binary "IT'S A SUCCESS" / "IT'S NOT".
The context is, the movie was bad but extremely profitable and people want more Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn.
How is that not unequivocally a success?
Hell, it somehow spawned an entire merchandising movement. People are still buying Suicide Squad stuff... for some fuckin' reason.
This is some "fake news" Trump administration shit you're on right now. Literally ignoring reality.
You can't have a "take" on it whether or not a movie made a profit. It either did or it didn't. There is no grey area.
This is what you said. It's factually incorrect.
It does.
Profitable doesn't mean runaway success.
Profitable doesn't mean potential franchise building block.
Profitable means profitable, that it made a profit. I.e. took in more money than it cost to make and advertise.
The very Deadline analysis you back is calling it profitable.
So can you please at least try and be rational and just admit that a non Marvel film was profitable?
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That's not what the article says. It's not a binary "it's a success" / "it's not". Like I've said, I second DL's article word by word.
No no no, I take responsibility on poorly wording my argument, what I mean is gauging success, which is subjective rather than objective. I don't think we can actually tell how "profitable" Squad actually was, but we definitely can discuss how successful - or not - it was. I'm not saying that Squad was a failure. But it wasn't the success that people seem to argue it was.
What he means is that it wasn't profitable in his soul, you wouldn't understand.
I dunno. It's the only DCEU movie I haven't bothered to rewatch on home video. I had a decent time watching it once, but never felt the need to go back.
For the record, I enjoy BvS though I am not blind to its faults. I really don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be.
I know you guys are busy fighting the same 2016 Suicide Squad Fight, but Infinity War is now the biggest Hollywood film of all time in India, passing The Jungle Book. Nothing else besides those two is much over $25M.
I think that the Indonesia and Philippines totals are records as well. I haven't checked.
I think that the Indonesia and Philippines totals are records as well. I haven't checked.
"hating on" Suicide Squad? That movie was trash, what are you talking about? I saw that movie for free and I still wanted my time back.
Suicide Squad makes Batman v Superman look like The Dark Knight.
Still can't believe that movie was successful. I don't know how much Margot Robbie and Will Smith got paid for that, but it wasn't enough.
It had a hell of a good marketing campaign
Those trailers tricked us all into thinking it might actually be good!
Is it even the biggest Hollywood film of all time in India???
That just seems like a opinion!
Speak for y'all selves; I knew watching the first trailer the movie was gonna be what it was. But I hoped anyways.
Never understood people saying the trailers didn't line up with the film we got; the vibe always looked off in them joints, and I felt like the only sane man on Earth when I shared my concerns in the leadup to release.
The Queen trailer was really good. Like so good that DC let the trailer people make a cut the movie. (Allegedly)
LOL. Is this for real? I kept wondering why the first half of the movie felt like an extended trailer. That would make perfect sense
Does that include this part?
Still, Warner Bros came away with $158 million net profit and a Cash on Cash Return of 1.34.
That clearly shows that it's profitable and a financial success.
You're arguing it's not as successful as it could have/should have been, which is fine, but there's no valid argument that it was not profitable.
Boxoffice.com is giving long range prediction of 84MM OW and 225MM domestic for AM&TW. Reasonable and a healthy growth over the first.
I still remember those Suicide squad is a flop hot takes and how it in actually wasn't profitabilty because of some napkin math that clearly wasn't correct.
I thought the song choices in that movie were fucking bizarre
Like going to the gym and somebody hit shuffle on "radio hits from the last three decades" playlist
I liked it. As you probably know I'm not a huge Marvel guy. Had not been impressed with anything the'yd done (for many years at least) until BP. I expected IW to be decent, and it surpassed my expectations. I don't really have much desire to see it again, but if somebody invited me to go I would probably say yes. I thought the score was the absolute best component of the film and really drove some surprisingly emotional moments.
Yeah I'd like to apologize for the derailment and just reiterate that I take responsibility with me poorly wording what I was trying to say, but kmfdmpig basically got it, so that's okay. Otherwise, I'm really annoyed by comparing me with other users. I've been following box office for a long time and I admit that I hold stubbornly to points sometimes, regardless how others might find I'm right or wrong about, but I will not accept the stereotype of "MCU Era", Marvel fan and etc. I'm every bit a DC fan as I am a Marvel fan. I just like good films and box office is a topic that I've been following almost 20 years, so I nerd the fuck out when talking about it.
This please.
Do you think future Hollywood Blockbusters and MCU movies have much of a chance of being a factor in India like IW? I'm impressed by ita performance there to be honest. It's gonna more than triple the next MCU movie.
You know what other billion dollar hit surprises me? Fucking Zootopia.
Amazing movie which I absolutely adore, and well deserved, but goddamn did that shit come out of nowhere.
Amazing movie which I absolutely adore, and well deserved, but goddamn did that shit come out of nowhere.
Speed Racer bombed so hard I can't even joke about it being profitable on any level.
The only Taylor Kitsch film that has a place in my heart is Battleship.
Super profitable.
Can we ban Avatar talk too, unless it's relevant to BO like some record or something? Is that asking too much? ;P
I don't participate much but I do try to read these threads sometimes...
I don't participate much but I do try to read these threads sometimes...
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