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Aselith

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Oct 27, 2017
8,350
ND already said that's not what happened. Why would you expect them to say something differrent just because names are now attached to this claim?

They said they investigated and found "no record" That response was very fast and on the weekend. Seems pretty clear that they just looked for paper records and no proper investigation was done
 

SnowFlakeCake

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
516
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.
 

Fisty

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,209
Was this the one that emailed a manifesto to everyone at the studio?

EDIT: yep, though I guess it was more of a screed
 
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Kolx

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Oct 25, 2017
8,505
The idea that Kotaku did an "investigation" is a bit much. ND and Sony should've run a full one, though.
Three current and former Naughty Dog employees, all speaking under condition of anonymity so as not to jeopardize their careers, all said they had not heard anything about Ballard's sexual harassment allegations until this weekend and that they were disturbed by the news. Those employees said they did not know or want to speculate who the alleged sexual harasser may be. Each discipline at the studio typically has two leads, and by one estimate there are around two dozen at Naughty Dog.

One current Naughty Dog employee said that he and co-workers he spoke to were "blind-sided" by the news, and that while he believed Ballard's allegations, he also believed that the studio had been unaware of them. "There definitely is not a culture of covering up bad behavior," that person said. "I and quite a lot of other people wouldn't be here if there was."
One person who worked with Ballard said that the difficulties began then, and that Ballard had told people he was filing HR complaints, although to that person's knowledge, those complaints were not about sexual harassment but about other issues. Ballard had said he felt harassed for leaving and then returning to the studio, that person said. The person added that they did not know about the sexual harassment allegations until Ballard posted them on Facebook last weekend.

In early 2016, the situation worsened, and Naughty Dog employees confirm that, as Ballard said on Twitter, he had a difficult mental breakdown. Some of Ballard's troubles became more widely known in late February of that year after he sent a hostile e-mail to a tech artist that was CCed to everyone at the company, two people said. Various rumors circulated at the studio and the situation was escalated from Naughty Dog's internal human resources department to Sony's HR.
It's certainly something, and the only piece of independent investigation we have right now. At the very least it proves that "toxic environment" is probably not true, and explains why Sony fired him.
 
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M1chl

Banned
Nov 20, 2017
2,054
Czech Republic
Umm, as someone who has be put through "sexual harassment" (to put it lightly) when I was a 12 years old kid, this kind of new really makes me sick. That's all I have to say, hopefully justice would be served, because in my case, I remain silent and....whatever, I just still don't have to courage to fully "go out of the closet" with this..... I just hate the news like this.

And no, I don't want to dramatise anything, so feel free to ignore this post, I just wanted to vent.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
28,828
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.
You always give the victim the benefit of the doubt, always
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
13,980
This seems like something that would be incredibly hard to prove, plus neither people even work at naughty dog anymore. Unless he wants to bring this guy to court I'm not sure what he wants to see happen here.
Doubt he cares at this point. This was probably just done for his piece of mind. If anyone drags it to court it'll be them, which would end badly because you don't just put this out there without receipts. Glad he outed them. And shame on ND for not standing by him.
 

Arsenic13

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Nov 11, 2017
74
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.
What does this guy have to gain from bullshitting? If a proper investigation is done and he lied, he's OUT of this industry for good. He's absolutely done. Not to mention the false charges he'll face and fees.
 

saenima

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,892
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.

What does he have to gain by putting himself in this situation?

I gotta say, that user name with that pic and that post count and that post all together is setting off all kinds of alarm bells.
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
13,980
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.
Perfect username.

He's clearly not out to gain anything. I don't think he throw names out there without being able to back it up. This stuff can easily be proven. He can share emails and whatnot about his complaints, and how ND reacted.
 

Curufinwe

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Oct 27, 2017
8,924
DE
What does this guy have to gain from bullshitting? If a proper investigation is done and he lied, he's OUT of this industry for good. He's absolutely done. Not to mention the false charges he'll face and fees.

What are these false charges and fees he is going to face for posting something on twitter?
 

Tiberius

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
246
France
Perfect username.

He's clearly not out to gain anything. I don't think he throw names out there without being able to back it up. This stuff can easily be proven. He can share emails and whatnot about his complaints, and how ND reacted.
Why not doing it one year ago ? Why not using this to sue ?
When kotaku asked for an itw he didn't respond
 

Thadeus

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Oct 27, 2017
383
Sad that stuff like this happens =(

No one involved in the allegations works at Sony anymore. Even the HR rep he names has left. Seems like this allegation might have been kept off the record except for his firing from the giant group email.

Even if they do not work at Sony anymore, ND and Sony as a whole should reflect on this situation and take it into consideration. Therefore they have a responsibility to ensure better practices, procedures or actions against these things should they occur again in the future. Stuff like this should not happen anywhere in a workplace or any other environment.
 

ASleepingMonkey

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
4,496
Iowa
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.
While I'm not out here calling for blood, it's bold of him to name that many people if this is totally fake. He has nothing to gain, could fuck his career in the future if he was to lie like this.
 

N.Domixis

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Oct 28, 2017
9,208
Got damn, was this guy the uncharted multiplayer man? No wonder that games multiplayer died so fast.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,319
So I have to ask for all the people wanting the accused dudes head.......

.....How the fuck do you know it's not a false allegation? Unless you lot have some substantial evidence besides the word of one guy, it's pretty sick what some people here are saying. Some of you making it though you watched it happen, as though this is an open and shut case.
This entire site was founded on believing victim's, my dude.
 

RoboPlato

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Oct 25, 2017
6,805
Sad that stuff like this happens =(



Even if they do not work at Sony anymore, ND and Sony as a whole should reflect on this situation and take it into consideration. Therefore they have a responsibility to ensure better practices, procedures or actions against these things should they occur again in the future. Stuff like this should not happen anywhere in a workplace or any other environment.
Fully agreed with this. Almost zero chance there's any kind of public statement but I do hope the people in charge are taking it seriously and work to prevent a situation like this from happening again and to ensure a more appropriate response.
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
13,980
Where is he working now? If he had evidence and isn't working in the industry I figured he would have come out with it long ago
Just looked at his Twitter, says he works at Giant Squid (ABZÛ). And going by his other tweets it appears that he was just pissed that they made it seem like he was crazy.



This is normal for victims. A lot of them just want their story to be acknowledged.
 

carlosrox

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,270
Vancouver BC
Why would the guy make this up and specifically out this guy?

There's more than likely something to this. Shame for all parties involved if they just tried to sweep it under the rug.
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
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Damn it was actually a senior guy. Cogburn always showed up in ND's multiplayer update videos.
 

TheRatedD

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Apr 15, 2018
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User Banned (1 Day): Inappropriate commentary - threads about sexual harassment are not a place to air personal grievances about a video game.
Cogburn was a trash developer anyway. He ruined one of the best multiplayer games on the market. Uncharted 2 was amazing and had a very dedicated community. Then Cogburn ruined Uncharted 3 with all the casual BS thrown into the game. After he got ripped for it, he claimed Uncharted 4 would be much more like what fans of 2 would want. In the end, he basically took a mod of Uncharted 3 MP and fused it with TLoU MP and Destiny (why do grenades recharge in an Uncharted game?) to make Uncharted 4 MP. Those of us that loved UC2 MP kept giving NaughtyDog feedback throughout the years. Time and time again we would complain about the same issues, only to have Cogburn spit in our faces. Some of my favorite gaming memories were playing UC2 MP back in high school. Some of my most aggravating gaming memories were playing UC3 MP. And some of the most boring times I've had gaming have been playing UC4 MP. It really says something about how Cogburn viewed us fans, when our #1 requested feature on forums for Uncharted 4 was to have a classic mode, and instead, months later he gives us Kill Confirmed. At some point he eventually gave us a beta for a classic mode that was only available a certain time, and after that I just stopped caring about UC4 MP. It's such a shame that UC4 has one of the best story modes ever in a game, but the MP was so average. Maybe Cogburn should have listened to us fans and the MP wouldn't have died 1 month after release...
 

rras1994

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Nov 4, 2017
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In law, it's exactly the opposite actually:
A court of law doesn't find you innocent, they find you not guilty. There is an important distinction between the two. And just cus you're found not guilty in a criminal court, you can be found guilty in a civil court where the barrier of proof is lower. Not that it really matters here very much, as this isn't a court of any kind.
 

HMD

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Oct 26, 2017
3,300
I hope for no internet vigilante justice, don't harass the accused or the accuser. He should definitely sue them.
 

KrigareN-

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
2,156
Cogburn was a trash developer anyway. He ruined one of the best multiplayer games on the market. Uncharted 2 was amazing and had a very dedicated community. Then Cogburn ruined Uncharted 3 with all the casual BS thrown into the game. After he got ripped for it, he claimed Uncharted 4 would be much more like what fans of 2 would want. In the end, he basically took a mod of Uncharted 3 MP and fused it with TLoU MP and Destiny (why do grenades recharge in an Uncharted game?) to make Uncharted 4 MP. Those of us that loved UC2 MP kept giving NaughtyDog feedback throughout the years. Time and time again we would complain about the same issues, only to have Cogburn spit in our faces. Some of my favorite gaming memories were playing UC2 MP back in high school. Some of my most aggravating gaming memories were playing UC3 MP. And some of the most boring times I've had gaming have been playing UC4 MP. It really says something about how Cogburn viewed us fans, when our #1 requested feature on forums for Uncharted 4 was to have a classic mode, and instead, months later he gives us Kill Confirmed. At some point he eventually gave us a beta for a classic mode that was only available a certain time, and after that I just stopped caring about UC4 MP. It's such a shame that UC4 has one of the best story modes ever in a game, but the MP was so average. Maybe Cogburn should have listened to us fans and the MP wouldn't have died 1 month after release...
What even is this post?

This is not the appropriate place for petty complaints.
 

Deleted member 1062

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cogburn was a trash developer anyway. He ruined one of the best multiplayer games on the market. Uncharted 2 was amazing and had a very dedicated community. Then Cogburn ruined Uncharted 3 with all the casual BS thrown into the game. After he got ripped for it, he claimed Uncharted 4 would be much more like what fans of 2 would want. In the end, he basically took a mod of Uncharted 3 MP and fused it with TLoU MP and Destiny (why do grenades recharge in an Uncharted game?) to make Uncharted 4 MP. Those of us that loved UC2 MP kept giving NaughtyDog feedback throughout the years. Time and time again we would complain about the same issues, only to have Cogburn spit in our faces. Some of my favorite gaming memories were playing UC2 MP back in high school. Some of my most aggravating gaming memories were playing UC3 MP. And some of the most boring times I've had gaming have been playing UC4 MP. It really says something about how Cogburn viewed us fans, when our #1 requested feature on forums for Uncharted 4 was to have a classic mode, and instead, months later he gives us Kill Confirmed. At some point he eventually gave us a beta for a classic mode that was only available a certain time, and after that I just stopped caring about UC4 MP. It's such a shame that UC4 has one of the best story modes ever in a game, but the MP was so average. Maybe Cogburn should have listened to us fans and the MP wouldn't have died 1 month after release...
did you really just write a big ass paragraph about Uncharted multiplayer in a thread about sexual harassment?
 

Interficium

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Oct 30, 2017
1,569
Cogburn was a trash developer anyway. He ruined one of the best multiplayer games on the market. Uncharted 2 was amazing and had a very dedicated community. Then Cogburn ruined Uncharted 3 with all the casual BS thrown into the game. After he got ripped for it, he claimed Uncharted 4 would be much more like what fans of 2 would want. In the end, he basically took a mod of Uncharted 3 MP and fused it with TLoU MP and Destiny (why do grenades recharge in an Uncharted game?) to make Uncharted 4 MP. Those of us that loved UC2 MP kept giving NaughtyDog feedback throughout the years. Time and time again we would complain about the same issues, only to have Cogburn spit in our faces. Some of my favorite gaming memories were playing UC2 MP back in high school. Some of my most aggravating gaming memories were playing UC3 MP. And some of the most boring times I've had gaming have been playing UC4 MP. It really says something about how Cogburn viewed us fans, when our #1 requested feature on forums for Uncharted 4 was to have a classic mode, and instead, months later he gives us Kill Confirmed. At some point he eventually gave us a beta for a classic mode that was only available a certain time, and after that I just stopped caring about UC4 MP. It's such a shame that UC4 has one of the best story modes ever in a game, but the MP was so average. Maybe Cogburn should have listened to us fans and the MP wouldn't have died 1 month after release...

This post is really embarrassing.
 

lemonade

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May 8, 2018
3,044
Just read the Kotaku report from 2017. Seems like no proof has been given on the situation.

It's a bad situation whether it's true or not. Especially there are names being mentioned now and most likely it will be a 'he said, they said' scenario and people on the internet will start picking sides and believing things without any substantial proof or context.