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Peace

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Oct 27, 2017
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i don't even know who you are ?

Yeah, sure. You've ignored my question though, expect the S I forgot in one word, where are all the other "wrongs" you've spoken about in the post you quoted ? I know asking you to post more than one line per post does seem like an uphill battle for you, but backing up your accusations of misinforming should be the minimum.
 

.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is just false, most people who played World were categorically not disappointed with it, and it maintained sales for three months before they began to slow down. That doesn't happen with poor word of mouth.

That's my impression. It's all I've heard the 8-4 crew taking about ever since it launched. If it did right by them, I'm sure did right by other veterans of the series.
 

Stairouais

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I really didn't expect to see so much backlash on MHW.

Can't for you guys to come back in a few months to complain about how broken the styles are, how the RNG is trash, and all that stuff.
 

TreIII

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Scoutflies aren't a QoL, they are a solution to a self-inflicted wound known as terrible map design. Older MHs don't need scoutflies because they hardly even have map design to begin with, they have open and largely flat arenas and a super obvious map.

Cohesive map design has never been a strength of MH. They're attempts at it in World show just how poor it ended up being because you needed to add a mechanic that has no other purpose than to help you navigate a clusterfuck of map layering with terrible map-to-player guideposting and direction-orienting weenies.

Ancient Forest is such an egregious cacophony of visual noise and clutter that I have no idea how such a mess was approved as "a good map".

...yeah. This.

Additionally, Scoutflies are just not as convenient as being able to just buy a few Psychoserums and Paintballs (or getting lucky and knowing where the hot air balloon is...) and being able to keep track of a new monster fairly easily, if you're a vet. Finding tracks and whatever was just busy work leading to the unskippable cutscene, in comparison.
 

Mezoly

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Mark H

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This was what I posted last November, and am glad part of it has come true.
Regarding MHXX, I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom releases it in west as summer 2018 title, which would give enough time for MHW to find its foothold whilest satiating the hungry portable monhun fans.
In fact, I have a feeling that portable series will continue its staggered release pattern, where Japan gets it first, and then West few months after.
So something like: MHXX summer 2018 for west, MHW G expansion late 2018 for worldwide, MH portable early 2019 for Japan, MH portable late 2019 for west.
This should give Capcom notable monhun release every so often, and keep the time between each titles long enough to avoid fatigue.
Well, hopefully my prediction of MHWG contents and MH Portable for Switch will come true as well.
 

cakely

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Oct 27, 2017
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But on the flip side for all those folks that were disappointed with the lack of content in MHW or the lack of local multiplayer (huge oversight) will likely really take to this game. Local multiplayer is what made MH huge. So for the differences, some are good. More content, local multiplayer, etc.

As far as I know, Monster Hunter on the PS2 and Wii had no split-screen option. "Local multiplayer" on the 3DS was literally multiple players bringing their handhelds into the same room. Everyone still played the game on their own screen.

You could get the same effect with Monster Hunter World if everyone brought their consoles to one location, it's just not very convenient.
 

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...Yeah, an HD remaster of a 3DS game that was never released in the USA. This is the first time we are ever getting any Monster Hunter XX content, and there's a whole bunch of new stuff we've never seen before.

This is jam-packed with literally hundreds of hours of content.

I'm not discussing the quality of the game its content ; I'm talking about the support from Capcom. You might be happy with a great 3DS remaster. I'm disappointed.

The Switch has been on the market for more than a year now. 3rd party devs are more than enough data to see their games can be succesful on the platform. But we keep getting late ports of games already released at high price. That's not fair !

Again not dissing the game whatsoever. But I was expecting the likes of Capcom, Bandai Namco or Sega to show strong support for the Switch, but it's not the case. Only Square Enix is showing some love with Octopath Traveler and Atlus with Shin Megami Tensei V.
 

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That's my impression. It's all I've heard the 8-4 crew taking about ever since it launched. If it did right by them, I'm sure did right by other veterans of the series.
Yup. I've been playing Monster Hunter since Freedom Unite, World is flat out, far and away the best game in the series on literally every count, except content.
 

Horror

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Then we have a very different meaning of casual. Making the learning curve less step is not lowering the skill bar.

Of course it does. A learning curve represents a gradual accumulation of skills culminating to the apex that marks the discipline's mastery. The more one needs to know (i.e., the opposite of accessibility), the higher the skill bar is raised.
 

gamerguy2002

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So, MHX became MHG in the US then MHX had a japanese only 3ds update/re-release called MHXX, which was then ported to the Switch. the same Switch version is what were seeing now renamed as MHGU.

So why not announce MHXX for 3DS to the US too? thats very odd to me. unless they just plan on title updating MHX/MHG to add in all of MHXX's 3DS content?
 

LuigiV

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That's late. The day after my birthday though, so I'll allow it. When's World PC suppose to drop anyway? I'm waiting for that one too.
 

Hybris

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5th gen is the future buddy

XX is the last game of its kind

Dont take this good news as somehow delegitimizing how great World is for everything MH related going forward

Unbelievable
Come on dude there's nothing wrong with criticizing map design in world. Don't just dismiss disenting opinion as people living in the past. I agree with him that the map design is horrible for actually fighting monsters. Sure it looks pretty but that's not why I'm here. Gameplay should come first and then make it look pretty after.
 

DevilPuncher

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So, MHX became MHG in the US then MHX had a japanese only 3ds update/re-release called MHXX, which was then ported to the Switch. the same Switch version is what were seeing now renamed as MHGU.

So why not announce MHXX for 3DS to the US too? thats very odd to me. unless they just plan on title updating MHX/MHG to add in all of MHXX's 3DS content?
I'm guessing it's due to Nintendo wanting folks to pay for their new online service. That's what makes the most sense to me.
 

Nolbertos

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Damn you Capcom. Imported MHXX thinking they backstabbed Nintendo. Now I need this in my life. Will get the Colllectors edition
 

nick_b

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This is awesome. I dropped my import copy after about 40 hours because translating sucked. I'll happily drop another $60 on this. Bout damn time too.

Wait. Does anybody think they might patch English into the Japanese version? That would be sweet.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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This game has the armor transmog stuff, right?
Oh shiiiiiiit

This means that assuming there's at least one decent female outfit, I can play as a woman again. Yay.

This game serves no purpose in a world where MHW exists.
No way. Portability means a lot to many people, and they have different monsters and quests. People can certainly enjoy both.

See

this is why they won't make a new Dino Crisis
lmao

<3 you Jawmuncher
 

Kyoufu

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Map design in MHW is excellent, actually. Lots of good verticality and a sense of scale where you actually feel like you're in a world and not some glorified arena. Scoutflies are a good hand-holding solution for players that don't know the map layouts or simply want to go to the monster's location with little effort, which is necessary when maps get as large as they have and players aren't used to the layouts. That and fast travel were the best choices they could have made.

I eventually memorised monster locations and map layouts so I didn't rely on the scoutflies much in the end.
 

Vena

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5th gen is the future buddy

XX is the last game of its kind

Dont take this good news as somehow delegitimizing how great World is for everything MH related going forward

Unbelievable

My being critical of bad game design is not me trying to 'delegitimize' World. World is not the US Presidency.

It is me highlighting issues that need to be fixed. Burying your head in the sand does the game a disservice not a service.
 

Wanderer5

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As great as MHW was I miss old bowguns. And I hear Brave HBG is all kinds of stupid in this. Definintely looking forward to it, even if this + PC MHW is gonna be kinda MH overload.

That's why I am going bye MHW till next year or so!:P Two MH games later this year would be too much (plus there are other games I would like to check out too).
 

DrROBschiz

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Pretty much.

There was an insane amount of hype for the game and it just disappointed on a lot of fronts. Which is why sales were insane initially then fell off a cliff.

Hot garbage

MHW and 5 th gen is the future of the series

This is just good business to make this final entry available to the west.

I dont get whats going on in peoples head. Its one thing to have issues with this generation and its another to think we are somehow gonna revert or split off in two just because they localized this

crazy
 

TreIII

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Well, hopefully my prediction of MHWG contents and MH Portable for Switch will come true as well.

Agreed with your predictions, as I see it the same way.

We still don't know what the Portable/X/XX team is working on next. All we know is that most of the squad wasn't helping the main team with World, so that would leave Ichinose and crew plenty of time, ideally, to unveil their own thing for 2019.
 

Jimmypython

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What even is the point, Capcom? A year ago when asked you gave that most generic bullshit answer ever which was "We currently do not have plans for ..." because you didn't want to "derail" the heavy marketing effort of World. And now when World's dust starts to settle you suddenly have a "plan" again? You have missed the boat and people have moved on. Now good luck with your pesky scheme.

Because Nintendo wants to sell their paid online service. and Capcom sees the chance to make more money...many points there.
 

DrROBschiz

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Come on dude there's nothing wrong with criticizing map design in world. Don't just dismiss disenting opinion as people living in the past. I agree with him that the map design is horrible for actually fighting monsters. Sure it looks pretty but that's not why I'm here. Gameplay should come first and then make it look pretty after.

Sure but that criticism isnt universal among the fanbase in the slightest

Not from what i can tell
 

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Of course it does. A learning curve represents a gradual accumulation of skills culminating to the apex that marks the discipline's mastery. The more one needs to know (i.e., the opposite of accessibility), the higher the skill bar is raised.

You end knowing the same, but each thing need to know is presented much better and gradually. Accessibility just means to reach that knowledge is easier, but you end knowing the same as someone who plays the old games.

Having to grind for whetstones is not more "knowledge" or tied to "skill". Is just nuissance.
 

Mezoly

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Map design in MHW is excellent, actually. Lots of good verticality and a sense of scale where you actually feel like you're in a world and not some glorified arena. Scoutflies are a good hand-holding solution for players that don't know the map layouts or simply want to go to the monster's location with little effort, which is necessary when maps get as large as they have. That and fast travel were the best choices they could have made.

I eventually memorised monster locations and map layouts so I didn't rely on the scoutflies much in the end.
Agreed! The Ancient Forest is one of the best designed video games maps ever.
 

schuelma

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Agreed with your predictions, as I see it the same way.

We still don't know what the Portable/X/XX team is working on next. All we know is that most of the squad wasn't helping the main team with World, so that would leave Ichinose and crew plenty of time, ideally, to unveil their own thing for 2019.

Yeah that is my bet. Similar to Portable 3rd after Tri. And today's announcement to me reads like a pretty clear sign more Monster Hunter is coming to the platform.
 

Dynheart

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For me, no loading was the only QoL change that made any significant impression on me. This, however, will not keep me from playing Generations Ultimate. The other QoL changes, like scoutflies (which I disliked), feel less like a QoL change, and more of a necessary mechanic to accompany this jumbled mess that are the maps (I believe someone already brought this up). The hide and seek game wore thin real quick, especially with how often monsters run, and how the maps are laid out.

At any rate, I look forward to Gen Ultimate this Aug.
 

Arthoneceron

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- Scoutflies
- No loading between zones
- Fast travel
- Monster interference
- Slinger to attract Monsters
- Whetstone doesn't deteriorate
- Seperatly preview gear
- Wishlists for recipes
- Points of interests are saved
- Weak points are available
- Damage numbers
- Auto crafting

I know people that would look at this list and say that half or more isn't a QoL improvement at all.