"Woman yelling at group of men in Alberta Denny’s shows racism is part of Canada’s character"

Becks' · May 9, 2018

Steven Universe said:
Do you have a link that?

https://www.facebook.com/CTVLethbri...959060526814/1833301720059199/?type=3&theater

Here's the link but here is the statement too:

EDIT: Also here's the link from a local news: https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/artic...ng-woman-dennys-video-says-thats-not-who-i-am

Akira86 · May 9, 2018

Makes me want IHOP.

Jerm · May 9, 2018

Frank_Reynold said:
But But But people like NoName999, Apathy, GungHo, Mighty Chin, and Trace all claim that Albertans are all racists. All while ignoring all the racism that happens where they live. The bigotry they spew is OK for some reason.

I get that you've tied your entire identity to the Alberta Denny's so this is affecting you personally but most people have the ability to recognize that multiple places have strong elements of racism, even when referring to one specific place, and not just the most recent place they've seen it occur.

It's part of a larger conversation, if you need to go ahead and mentally add a "but other places are less, equally or more racist" to the end of every sentence in this thread, that's better than going to bat for Alberta because it's "less racist".

ultracal31 · May 9, 2018

Becks' said:
https://www.facebook.com/CTVLethbri...959060526814/1833301720059199/?type=3&theater

Here's the link but here is the statement too:

Even went with the "that's not who I am"

Village · May 9, 2018

dyst said:
yes almost like that. These people are pathetic. Even more so because they actually think that land belongs to them.

Wooo boy

You wanna get pissed, I have heard people try an debate enthostates, while trying to not acknowledge that where i'm from the US was stolen from its native peoples. The mental acrobatics, or just complete disregard for brown people ( because sometimes they say that this land belongs to the conquering peoples... and that's horrifying ) , is insane

Deleted member 1185 · May 9, 2018

Lived in Edmonton my whole life. Calgary is worse but racism and social conservatism is alive and well throughout the province. Kenney and the UCP are gonna show Alberta's true colours when they ape the Trump path to victory and puppet his rhetoric in the name of owning libs

JK-Money · May 9, 2018

ultracal31 said:
Even went with the "that's not who I am"

That and "you didnt get the full picture, i was in fact racist BUTTTT it was for a reason" fuck outta here. Deport her.

Thisman · May 9, 2018

Just realized the OP author is an opinon person not an article on the star and seems to showcase Canada's racism issue is as bad as America which is not the case at all. No Racism is not part of Canada's character . No the white people in Canada did not treat me as the other or with disdain . Yes America has a bigger issue with racism

Apathy · May 9, 2018

Becks' said:
https://www.facebook.com/CTVLethbri...959060526814/1833301720059199/?type=3&theater

Here's the link but here is the statement too:

So they were speaking in their language and she got that they were being racist towards her yet she can't even make up what they said anywhere because we got video of them not being racist to her at all so I gotta imagine in her mind it happened before the video started..... Yeah...... About that...

Racist people must really think they can outsmart video recording and basic facts
..I mean I know Trump thinks that

lupinko · May 9, 2018

In case some non-Canadians who are reading this thread are wondering, PET is Pierre Elliott Trudeau, the current PM's father who was also a prime minister who iirc won four elections.

Justin's "it's 2015" comment is also a play on his dad's "welcome to the 1980s" after his dad came back and won a surprising election (his last term).

Shoeless · May 9, 2018

bananafactory said:
One thing I've noticed is anytime people of another ethnicity speak in their own language and laugh or smile or just seem to have a good time, some white person thinks they are talking about them. I experienced this so much working retail where our employees would have a conversation and customers would accuse them of talking behind their back.

The bizarre assumption everything is about you is super tiring.

I think this is one of those things that is very specific to people who don't travel much and have lived their whole lives in one culture/location. When people don't understand what others are saying, depending on their temperament and background, this can be a very unsettling thing. And if they're even remotely insecure, not knowing what other people are saying can generate huge amounts of paranoia.

But the second that you travel--or better yet live in--another country, you have to drop that mindset pretty fast. I spent over 10 years living in Singapore, where the three primary cultures are Chinese, Malaysian and Indian, and they all spoke among their own friends and family in their ancestral language while communicating across cultures in English. You get used to it pretty fast, hearing multiple different languages you don't understand, and not automatically assuming EVERYONE *must* be talking about you, because you don't know what they're saying. Paranoia can't sustain that level of insecurity for too long, I imagine eventually you just get tired of being suspicious of everyone around you.

dyst · May 9, 2018

Village said:
Wooo boy

You wanna get pissed, I have heard people try an debate enthostates, while trying to not acknowledge that where i'm from the US was stolen from its native peoples. The mental acrobatics, or just complete disregard for brown people ( because sometimes they say that this land belongs to the conquering peoples... and that's horrifying ) , is insane

They justify wars, bombings, torture, stealing of land. Their is no end to their hatred and evil souls.

Hours Left · May 9, 2018

The "this is not who I am" defense doesn't really fly when your first reaction to a perceived slight is to spew bigoted nonsense at the top of your lungs and claim immediate ownership of a Nation based on racial lines.

Obviously she has deep seeded prejudices. Maybe her first step would be to admit she is harbouring a lot of hatred in her heart.

NoName999 · May 9, 2018

Frank_Reynold said:
But But But people like NoName999, Apathy, GungHo, Mighty Chin, and Trace all claim that Albertans are all racists. All while ignoring all the racism that happens where they live. The bigotry they spew is OK for some reason.

The 3 buts at the beginning usually mean it's a joke. But in case of Poe's Law, where did I claim that everyone in the province of Alberta is racist and what makes you think I don't criticize my own country's racism.

bremon · May 9, 2018

Addleburg said:
I like how when he confirms he pays taxes, her only rebuttal is "Really? You pay taxes. Really?"

This drives me crazy! I have worked with so many people who have work visas, or have become permanent residents. Why the hell do people think they don't pay taxes? Even if they didn't pay income tax, which they do, they pay other various forms of tax simply by existing in Canada; making purchases? Paying tax. Buying gas for your car? Paying tax. Renting a place? Indirectly paying your landlords god damn property tax by paying your rent every month. What is so difficult about this for these people to understand? This woman is a mother of three apparently; should she be hassled because popping out three miniatures gets her some child tax credits?

bananafactory said:
One thing I've noticed is anytime people of another ethnicity speak in their own language and laugh or smile or just seem to have a good time, some white person thinks they are talking about them. I experienced this so much working retail where our employees would have a conversation and customers would accuse them of talking behind their back.

The bizarre assumption everything is about you is super tiring.

Ill admit, embarrassingly, I was guilty of this when I was young. Say...14ish. Specifically "speaking another language right in front of me". More of a self conscious type of behaviour. By the time you're actually out on your own living your own life it's absolutely bizarre to think this way. People like to think they are so special but you only need to think once; "how many people did I really notice today?". The answer to that is likely quite low, and when you turn it around the odds of you being the one someone else noticed is likely even lower lol.

ultracal31 said:
Even went with the "that's not who I am"

Not to mention the need for someone to proofread her statement. Good lord. I mean, her actions clearly demonstrate a lack of intelligence, but at least fake it in your fake "damn phones can take videos these days" apology.

dabig2 · May 9, 2018

Shoeless said:
I think this is one of those things that is very specific to people who don't travel much and have lived their whole lives in one culture/location. When people don't understand what others are saying, depending on their temperament and background, this can be a very unsettling thing. And if they're even remotely insecure, not knowing what other people are saying can generate huge amounts of paranoia.

More sinisterly, it's a form of projection. You assume the worst about the other because you've already assumed the worst of them from the get-go. So you then look for tells - or more accurately, create tells that confirms your prejudice about these people.

Nell · May 9, 2018

Why y'all hating on Alberta? That's not very Canadian like :(.

Mozendo · May 9, 2018

I hope the people who have posted "She not a true Canadian" also realize Canada also has it's own dark past when it comes to race

Jerm · May 9, 2018

Eye-opening thread. I had believed racism to be a worldwide phenomena until learning that Canada is not racist because some members of ERA haven't experienced it.

This lends credence to the people I live around in the southern US who "have never seen racism, therefore it doesn't exist". I may have written them off too quickly and accidentally fallen for similar videos like this, which should represent an individual but not an area or a people.

Lady says that's not who she is, I believe her. She's from Alberta after all.

RaySpencer · May 9, 2018

It says shes from BC. Leave us Albertans alone. Were not all bad. :(

joecanada · May 9, 2018

bremon said:
Because we are the centre of oil and gas extraction in this country, so many of us have (or had) high paying jobs requiring little-to-no education. Many of these people like to talk condescendingly about how things like transfer payments (payments from wealthy provinces distributed to provinces that have smaller budgets) mean everyone in Canada owes Alberta some debt of gratitude. Combine this with an attitude of hatred towards federal representation based in the Eastern half of Canada and a feeling of being ignored by Ottawa and you have a special recipe for a ton of assholes with chips on their shoulders.

These types spend money like it's going out of style, hate the idea of refugees, immigrants and welfare, yet want to suck the governments teat when oil tanks because "they're owed". That basically sums it up. I like to think Alberta gets a bad rep undeservedly but man...stories like this are too common.

This lady was from bc but ignoring Alberta's general demographics is like saying people from California are generally the same as those from Texas. It's simply untrue . Albertans vote moreso than any other region for staunch evangelical conservatives like Stockwell fucking Day . There's a town in southern Alberta that is literally known for racism I can't recall the name but I actually posted it a while back. In Edmonton I worked with numerous black people and they all had horror stories about being asked where they are from. Not once but basically monthly. Wayneright I think that's the town. Its not the same as say Vancouver

Apathy · May 9, 2018

Village said:
Wooo boy

You wanna get pissed, I have heard people try an debate enthostates, while trying to not acknowledge that where i'm from the US was stolen from its native peoples. The mental acrobatics, or just complete disregard for brown people ( because sometimes they say that this land belongs to the conquering peoples... and that's horrifying ) , is insane

Dankir · May 9, 2018

Fucking ridiculous...

SRG01 · May 9, 2018

joecanada said:
This lady was from bc but ignoring Alberta's general demographics is like saying people from California are generally the same as those from Texas. It's simply untrue . Albertans vote moreso than any other region for staunch evangelical conservatives like Stockwell fucking Day . There's a town in southern Alberta that is literally known for racism I can't recall the name but I actually posted it a while back. In Edmonton I worked with numerous black people and they all had horror stories about being asked where they are from. Not once but basically monthly. Wayneright I think that's the town. Its not the same as say Vancouver

There are a lot of people that live in interior BC, but are basically Albertan in all but name.

Wainwright isn't really southern Alberta though...

rashbeep · May 9, 2018

SugarNoodles said:
This line of reasoning is an incredibly common response to events like this, but I think it's a deeply problematic way of looking at it.

The reality of the matter is that these kinds of people ARE Canadian. They're also American, and sometimes they're Christian. Rationalizing the situation as "this bad person isnt a real Canadian/American/Christian" is a way to excuse ourselves from coming to terms with the reality that these issues are built into our culture. By trying to separate the actions of these individuals from the larger cultural identity, we're refusing to acknowledge that these problems are systemic, and need to be addressed as an inevitability, not just an exception that only comes up when there's a news story about it.

i was just going to say this

there is plenty of this crap in our country and we cannot ignore it

Dream Machine · May 9, 2018

xbhaskarx said:
No True Canadian fallacy

Seriously.

SRG01 · May 9, 2018

rashbeep said:
i was just going to say this

there is plenty of this crap in our country and we cannot ignore it

Yup. The biggest shame of the Canadian identity is that we're too caught up with our own self-righteousness -- our 'niceness' -- that we cannot see how disgusting some parts of our culture and history are.

lunarworks · May 9, 2018

White nationalists are making a real push in Canada, unfortunately.

One memory that sticks with me is my brother and sister were enthralled by a dog whistle racist Rebel Media "comedy" routine by Gavin McInness at our family gathering on Christmas. That's the guy behind the white nationalist group "Proud Boys". Fucking shit is insidious.

Social media will be the death of us.

Deleted member 16657 · May 9, 2018

"Why are you being so racist?" he asks.

"Ooh, all of a sudden I'm being racist," she says, her hands in the air and clapping. "I am Canadian so I am racist.

"You guys need to go back to where you came from."

You know, I'm not even angry anymore.

joecanada · May 9, 2018

SRG01 said:
There are a lot of people that live in interior BC, but are basically Albertan in all but name.

Wainwright isn't really southern Alberta though...

Ah yeah true .... also don't quote me on wainwright don't recall exactly just some friends told me well multiple groups of friends actually and co-workers. . But I was only out there in Alberta for 2 years

B.O.O.M. · May 9, 2018

The store handled this terribly. Fuck them too. Did they get any heat for any of this shit?

Cantaim · May 9, 2018

Well that lady is quite racist Shame those dudes had to deal with her hateful shit

rashbeep · May 9, 2018

bremon said:
This shit happens in Manitoba and Saskatchewan plenty, and clearly at least one asshole from BC feels this way. Quebec isn't a haven of inclusiveness from what I understand and time spent in Northern Ontario has shown me behaviour I've seen everywhere else I've been in Canada. Shitty Canadians are everywhere; maybe I need to spend more time in Vancouver or visit Toronto to find these havens of tolerance. Ontario is about to be governed by a racist though isn't it? So maybe a trip to TO isn't worth my time.

pretty much go anywhere outside a major city in canada and you're likely to have a bad time as a PoC

Seeya · May 9, 2018

Shroki said:
I've lived in/around Edmonton now for 30 years. I haven't seen overt racism since my grade-school days, and that was kids being fucking assholes moreso than it was some sort of idealogical epidemic.

Clearly Alberta is a conservative strong-hold, and there's a clear link between white conservatism and racism, but this whole idea that this is some sort of daily Albertan life thing is entirely bullshit.

Relatively speaking you aren't wrong, but the cities in Alberta are very liberal.

Becks' · May 9, 2018

rashbeep said:
i was just going to say this

there is plenty of this crap in our country and we cannot ignore it

The worst thing that pisses me off is that kids are being taught to be racist when they are younger and that is something you just can't kick out of their brains easily. I was born and lived in Bosnia and Herzegovina, a war-torn country, and the first thing that kid is being taught is who is Bosnian, who is Croatian, who is Serbian so you can hate two out of those groups because you probably belong in one. Racism is a generational thing and it will take a lot of time to root it out.

excelsiorlef · May 9, 2018

Becks' said:
https://www.facebook.com/CTVLethbri...959060526814/1833301720059199/?type=3&theater

Here's the link but here is the statement too:

EDIT: Also here's the link from a local news: https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/artic...ng-woman-dennys-video-says-thats-not-who-i-am

The classic my yelling a ton of racist shit doesn't reflect on me... bullshit

eKongDiddy · May 9, 2018

Becks' said:
https://www.facebook.com/CTVLethbri...959060526814/1833301720059199/?type=3&theater

Here's the link but here is the statement too:

EDIT: Also here's the link from a local news: https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/artic...ng-woman-dennys-video-says-thats-not-who-i-am

Thanks!

Even when I've been stupid drunk, I've never "turned racist". Your "true self" does come out, and this shows what her true self is really like.

excelsiorlef · May 9, 2018

Thisman said:
Just realized the OP author is an opinon person not an article on the star and seems to showcase Canada's racism issue is as bad as America which is not the case at all. No Racism is not part of Canada's character . No the white people in Canada did not treat me as the other or with disdain . Yes America has a bigger issue with racism

Fucking hell yes it is, especially in regards to our First Nations population.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

Majik · May 9, 2018

She's from BC but the incident took place in Alberta.

I moved to Calgary from Manchester in the UK six years ago and I've found Albertans to be much more racist than I had expected. Hopefully things will change as the population density and number of immigrants increase but it will be poor for decades yet.

Owarifin · May 9, 2018

White Woman. Check.
In Alberta. Check.

Yep, that's Canada

Money and Oil is what's important to Alberta.
They're also extremely conservative.

Lurkyseas · May 9, 2018

Just_a_Mouse said:
Her racist ass is the one that should be deported. Sickening.

Correction, all racists should be deported on a island somewhere, along with all of the child molesters, rapists, gangs & murderers.

Thisman · May 9, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
Fucking hell yes it is, especially in regards to our First Nations population.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

No it isn't , no matter how you spin it. I'm talking as a minority . Are you ?

Akira86 · May 9, 2018

Thisman said:
No it isn't , no matter how you spin it. I'm talking as a minority . Are you ?

you first nations?

Mechanized · May 9, 2018

That article title can fuck right off.

nomis · May 9, 2018

somehow bemoaning a bigot quickly turned this thread to "let's all take turns shitting on Alberta" as if your province is exempt from nativism

also reading the article or the entire OP would've told you that the woman is from fucking Cranbrook

excelsiorlef · May 9, 2018

Thisman said:
No it isn't , no matter how you spin it. I'm talking as a minority . Are you ?

Racial? No
But like I literally gave you bloody hard data and all you did was put your fingers in your ear. Do you know anything about the history of Canada's treatment of First Nations, Residential Schools, etc...? That's part of what Canada is. You running around saying Racism is not part of Canada's character is a total slap in the face and insult to First Nations folk who have suffered and continue to suffer from the racist actions of our "Canadian Character"

Riderz1337 · May 9, 2018

Surprise! There's racists everywhere you go. Thankfully I personally have never experienced any racist encounters before and I live in Toronto but I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen.

Bad title

Deleted member 40133 · May 9, 2018

99Luffy said:
Thought for sure this was gonna be Ontario again. But its a person from BC so thats surprising.

Calgary is Alberta. The Texas of Canada

FF Seraphim · May 9, 2018

I hope that Denny's get blasted by the media
and thre manager made to take a reeducational course on treating humans like humans.

Elegant Weapon · May 9, 2018

Thisman said:
No it isn't , no matter how you spin it. I'm talking as a minority . Are you ?

Out of curiosity, what kind of "minority" are you?

"Woman yelling at group of men in Alberta Denny’s shows racism is part of Canada’s character"

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