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How good of a year is Xbox actually having in 2018?
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I consider this the tipping point, where they turn things around., The Xbox Lineup was fairly strong in 2014-2015 beating the PS4 but 2016-2017 got worse. 2016 Quantum Break was a bust but they finished the year strong with Gears 4 and Forza. 2017 was a disaster with delays and cancellations. So far Sea of Thieves was a bust, but I'm hyped for SOD2. If Crackdown 3 turns out good, along with Forza Horizon 3, Ori 2 (if it comes out) and if the Banjo Remake is real, it'll be a fairly decent year and a big improvement over 2017. A step in the right direction.
Features only serve the current audience, they arent something that will make people go out and buy. And even then, writing was on the wall globally. Not as many people care about Xbox in general as MS wants you to think
Got one mostly for BC earlier this year, they have my sword. Been playing RDR for the first time and quite enjoying it. Got a nice deal for 3 months of live for $15 and then followed it up with game pass for a dollar, got to try Sea of Thieves for a DOLLAR(really glad I didn't go out of my way to play it since I thought it was awful.
I have tons of BC games that I never played when they were first released and the exclusive content was enough to justify getting an S.
I have tons of BC games that I never played when they were first released and the exclusive content was enough to justify getting an S.
Game Pass and backwards compatibility is like trying to heal a stab wound with a Band-Aid they still haven't fixed their biggest problem their first party games. Scalebound is dead and Crackdown 3 is being made by three unknown Studios whose quality is unknown. So no its not been a good 2018. I would rather buy switch than a xbox one
Why do you say that? They have the most powerful console available. Why do you think that would only apply to current Xbox owners? They have gamepass and ea access, neither found on their competitors' systems. Why would this only serve current owners? They have backwards compatibility. Why would this only serve current owners?
Not sure you thought out what you posted.
Commercially, Sea of Thieves did very well, and disk sales didn't appear to be negatively affected (in a statistically significant amount) by the Game Pass. However, they're ultimately still limited by the relatively low quantities of consoles sold life to date.
Critically? Still a very distant third.
Ultimately, backwards compatibility and Game Pass is not a substitute for exclusives, and both Sony and Nintendo are firing on all cylinders in that front.
Critically? Still a very distant third.
Ultimately, backwards compatibility and Game Pass is not a substitute for exclusives, and both Sony and Nintendo are firing on all cylinders in that front.
Because a majority of users who are deciding to buy a console dont care about power. Nor do they care about subscription services or BC. There is some crossover, but its a minority of users compared to the users who will go out and buy a console because of price, hype, the consoles their friends have, or games they want to buy.
If that were not the case, XB1 would be beating the other consoles in NA at the very least.
Really? A majority of users don't care about power? I'm going to call bullshit on that one. Why was the ps4 so successful out of the gate with their weak lineup? Because it was more powerful. Why did we get countless threads and thousands of posts from the digital foundry threads about any game where the ps4 outperformed the Xbox? Why did countless ppl upgrade to the pro? And then to the x? People ABSOLUTELY care about power. Funny that you're downplaying that now.
Really depends on the games you enjoy op...on one hand you could look at it like you have been playing through the best third party versions of games....having fun with your friends in pubg and enjoying playing bc games such as rdr
Or you could sit there and focus on the negatives....some people didn't like sea of thieves...some people don't like stare of decay.....ms have not announced anything new this side of e3...it's all doom and gloom....where's my exclusives ect ect
For a console that is supposedly struggling there still is a large amount of people who get uncomfortable talking about positive news on the xbox and would much rather take a shit on it
Or you could sit there and focus on the negatives....some people didn't like sea of thieves...some people don't like stare of decay.....ms have not announced anything new this side of e3...it's all doom and gloom....where's my exclusives ect ect
For a console that is supposedly struggling there still is a large amount of people who get uncomfortable talking about positive news on the xbox and would much rather take a shit on it
Yeahhhh Iam going to say based of this entire post it wouldn't matter if God Of War was put out by Microsoft to you
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You are way too emotionally invested in this, no wonder why you are being so unfair with that statement. I am rooting for Xbox all the way, have been for years now. But a 15% increase over one of their weakest years was not the comeback I was hoping for.
Let us look at that 15% and what contributed to it
Xbox One X
Game Pass
Sea of Thieves
Price drops/Bundles
I mean, I would think the Xbox One X would alone cause something like a 20% increase since most of us were certain the sales were so low last year because people were holding out for it. But they actually had a lot of other things going for them this year and still the sales remain slacking
This basically sums up all the major points.
Good moves, but a few good moves does not dissipate years of success by Nintendo or Sony who are successful on multiple major fronts, not just a few services like Xbox Live, Gamepass, and back compat.
I just find it strange how people think because BC has become a thing on one of the consoles, and as much as I also like it, that it changes purchasing habits of others.
Most people don't give a squat about backwards compatibility. Even on this forum there's plenty of people who will readily attest to being against playing old games just because of visual downgrades or so on. The broader gaming public is by and large not for older games whether in console or even PC space, and that's not how I like it either, but that is the way it is.
They are? As an xbix one owner I felt the need to buy a PS4 more than ever the last few months, I feel like there's nothing big for my interests coming on xbox one.
I like them enhancing the bc stuff and the game pass but I hope in E3 they show dome big guns other than the usual forza, halo, gears
New studios, Game Pass, BC and all the other features that they've been working on are really setting Xbox up to be a powerhouse next generation.
Do you only play exclusives? Why not try third party games?
I'm not disagreeing with you, per se, but to put in perspective how many consoles show ANY increase YoY in its 5th year?
The X was never going to be a big player. Not with a $500 price tag. MS themselves said it was a niche market.
To date they only released one first party game which isn't for everyone (for the record despite my hype for it; I don't like it. Let's talj more about the software for the year once a couple more releases are out
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Also something else to consider. The Switch released just 14 months ago. This plays a role as well for those who don't want or can't afford many multiple platforms. ESP if they already have a PC or PS4
Would love to get an X due to its beast specs but the value for me on the games isn't there since I already got a pro and I don't buy much 3rd party games. I also don't play games much due to college and work not enough time to play them, but I always make time for some games im interested in like good single player games which Sony has a lot while Microsoft doesn't have much for me. If Microsoft keeps doing what their doing they be in a even better position next gen especially if they can invest in some 1st party studio or new Ip exclusive.
Edit: All the service is all nice and good at the end of the day they need exclusive 1st party games
Edit: All the service is all nice and good at the end of the day they need exclusive 1st party games
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Power has never been a factor. It was just used to talk up the PS4 even more on here thanks to digital foundry, but power has never had any influence on buying decisions. The most powerful console had never "won" a generation. People bought the PS4 because it's a playstation, it was cheaper, and it released first. Power never came in to it.
I'm not emotionally invested at all, please cut that BS of trying to paint me as a fanboy. You've made a thread about how terrible sales are this year and how they're going backwards, but facts show that sales have increased 15%. Sony are forecasting that their sales will decline this year, yet Xbox sales have increased. There's no way to spin the xbox sales increase as a negative, yet you're trying your hardest. Anyone thinking that the X would increase sales by 20% has rocks in their head. It's a $499 console at a time when the base consoles are frequently $199. People were expecting maybe 20% of future purchases to be XB1X, not an extra 20% on top of future XB1 sales.
And again - you say the sales this year are "slacking", but they're up 15%. You're trying to make a 15% increase in sales YOY in the 5th year of sales a bad thing. It's not, in any way.
Nobody is downplaying it.
But let's look at the situation before you call bullshit.
Microsoft's PR behind the Xbox one was atrocious from even before it was announced. Then they basically said screw you to their fans with the used games fiasco. Then you had the forced Kinect and it was more expensive than a PS4, even though the PS4 was more powerful. They then had u turns and couldn't make up their minds.
It doesn't matter how much power the Xbox one had. If it had the same pr and condescending attitude from the higher ups saying go play on a 360 then it still would have failed. Nobody could trust MS at the time.
Over the last few years they regained that trust and the X is a great console.
But rule number 1 is never to shit on your fans. That's what MS basically did. Sony had a more powerful console in the PS3 but they insulted their fans and guess what. A lot of people moved to the 360.
If ms bought the rights to god of war and remade it and improved the game in every single way and even packed in a free date card with their favourite porn star ....You would still probrably have a 60 page thread on here saying why Xbox is so bad and them buying out studios ect ect
Will take much more than goodwill for some people to change their perspectives on them....I don't think e3 will do much either as some have already made up their mind on what they want to play/see/support
As you mentioned...next gen is getting setup quite well.
I actually play Skyrim SE right now, I love my xbox xit I slowly become jealous of PS4, last year it was Horizon, ok I said it's just a game, then it was Crash trilogy but I expected it would come to other platforms at some point, now it was GoW and almost bought a PS4 but realized I m not done with Skyrim, but there's also Spiderman coming. Of course there are plenty of stuff in both consoles but when it comes to exclusives One seems to be staying even more behind at least for me.
Right it should solve the quantity problem that they have going on, as far as quality though that's another story.
Oh, is this another shit on Xbox thread? Oh thank god, thought we'd go a whole day without one. /s
In all seriousness we all know the big problem for them: Exclusive games. Allegedly they're working on it, but AAA game development takes time. So, let's give them some time.
In all seriousness we all know the big problem for them: Exclusive games. Allegedly they're working on it, but AAA game development takes time. So, let's give them some time.
I have a xbox 360 and brother has a xbox one if that matters
Personally, it's been an all right year for me.
Software-wise, the only noteworthy game I've purchased on it this year is Burnout Paradise Remastered and that was more due to having EA Access with the discount and some credit to spare to make that an easy purchase. I might get Crackdown if it ever gets a date, as this weird delay from Xbox One X launch to spring to a mysterious later date has been odd with zero press for the game at any point since last E3. They had a bad early part of this generation with the failure of MCC, the fake Phantom Dust announcement, Fable Legends and Scalebound's cancellations, Project Spark's shutdown, the infinitely delayed Crackdown, and that's all from E3 2014. It takes time to recover from that bad of a show with some better decisions and curation.
BC's nice and all, but the way they fucked up RDR for me with that Xbox One X enhancement update was a big bummer for me since I get a headache when trying to play that game for a few seconds. I don't think there's a way to turn off the enhancement update, so I'd have to go back to my Xbox 360 to download and play it there for that one game. That has soured me on BC a bit. That Microsoft essentially completely messed up BC with their new Kinect when it comes to Xbox One X by not including the adapter and quickly discontinuing it a few months after launch so that the few Kinect games I have are no longer playable without spending a lot of money on legit, or maybe bootleg adapters if they even work, doesn't jive with their statements about not leaving any games behind when they release new machines.
Game Pass is nice as a service, but having all consoles and a decent gaming PC means I already have the vast majority of its offerings. It's only worth is so that I can put down $10 for a month so I don't have to spend $48 for any of their new games, which is kind of what is nice about the yearly EA Access sub at $30 to not have to buy any of their games.
I'm sure the hardware is selling fine and will continue selling fine as long as something bad doesn't happen. They've done a good job recovering from one of the worst reveals a console has ever had. I would've liked them to offer the ability to change out the internal hard drive for their premium console at the very least so I could have more internal storage.
Software-wise, the only noteworthy game I've purchased on it this year is Burnout Paradise Remastered and that was more due to having EA Access with the discount and some credit to spare to make that an easy purchase. I might get Crackdown if it ever gets a date, as this weird delay from Xbox One X launch to spring to a mysterious later date has been odd with zero press for the game at any point since last E3. They had a bad early part of this generation with the failure of MCC, the fake Phantom Dust announcement, Fable Legends and Scalebound's cancellations, Project Spark's shutdown, the infinitely delayed Crackdown, and that's all from E3 2014. It takes time to recover from that bad of a show with some better decisions and curation.
BC's nice and all, but the way they fucked up RDR for me with that Xbox One X enhancement update was a big bummer for me since I get a headache when trying to play that game for a few seconds. I don't think there's a way to turn off the enhancement update, so I'd have to go back to my Xbox 360 to download and play it there for that one game. That has soured me on BC a bit. That Microsoft essentially completely messed up BC with their new Kinect when it comes to Xbox One X by not including the adapter and quickly discontinuing it a few months after launch so that the few Kinect games I have are no longer playable without spending a lot of money on legit, or maybe bootleg adapters if they even work, doesn't jive with their statements about not leaving any games behind when they release new machines.
Game Pass is nice as a service, but having all consoles and a decent gaming PC means I already have the vast majority of its offerings. It's only worth is so that I can put down $10 for a month so I don't have to spend $48 for any of their new games, which is kind of what is nice about the yearly EA Access sub at $30 to not have to buy any of their games.
I'm sure the hardware is selling fine and will continue selling fine as long as something bad doesn't happen. They've done a good job recovering from one of the worst reveals a console has ever had. I would've liked them to offer the ability to change out the internal hard drive for their premium console at the very least so I could have more internal storage.
If I was an admin, I would pin this quote specifically. Then any time we have a Xbox sales thread I would force the OP to read this quote and put it in the OP
Every move now is set up for the next cycle, they lost their grasp in their own territory and were decimated world wide this go around. They need a competitive box, with competitive pricing, good messaging, features that are not exclusive to one region, stop treating other territories with so much lethargy and most importantly increase their first party exclusive output while maintaining general high quality and diversity and maybe just maybe can they stand on equal ground with Nintendo and Sony.
Besides their trumpeting of features and subscription based programs, they are failing at what people get consoles for, games. There is strength in diversity.
Besides their trumpeting of features and subscription based programs, they are failing at what people get consoles for, games. There is strength in diversity.
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But when things are so down, how can you go anywhere but up? I expected even Sea of Thieves in 2017 to increase Xbox One sales, but it was delayed. Then it felt like MS had a great combo with Xbox One X and Sea of Thieves fueling the first quarter.... yet only a 15% increase of sales was the result.
I would understand if the Xbox One X was a quiet launch like the PS4 Pro but it was the complete opposite. The masses were exposed to it and are continuously reminded how it is the strongest console out there. I just think it is ridiculous to say the Xbox brand shouldn't be doing way better this year than it currently is
Ps4 was more powerful and $100 cheaper why do people ignore that huge factor?
I can't even discuss this with you when you say power had nothing to do with it. That's just wrong.
It is when you already own both systems. Maybe he or she owns a PC. Then that's the 3rd party platform.
Okay gotcha. Hoping for a price drop this year. If you can wait for black Friday there is bound to be some killer deals. I might jump back in at that point
We'll know after E3. I know I am much happier with the brand after X1X and BC program.
I think going forward I'll be getting a lot done Multiplats on the XB1X. Anthem, Red Dead, etc.
And really happy with what they're doing with MCC. Hoping Gears 5 and Halo 6 are strong returns.
I think going forward I'll be getting a lot done Multiplats on the XB1X. Anthem, Red Dead, etc.
And really happy with what they're doing with MCC. Hoping Gears 5 and Halo 6 are strong returns.
Somehow this point always seems to be missed.
Ppl thinking the PS4 is doing so well just because of power, lol. I've said this before, MS made the X like a fanboy wish. Their focus should have been price and power.
Like Sony's was the PS4 and the Pro.
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Yes you clearly are too emotionally invested in this. I never once said "they are going backwards", to even think I'm suggesting that is horribly off. I simply said I expected a much bigger comeback with the Xbox One X since 2017 was so low in sales. We all believed it was due to the fact that MS was so focused on pushing the X.
Now its out and even had the launch of Sea of Thieves to push momentum, with a few price drops in between, and the result was a 15% increase from one of the worst years of the consoles. See the problem? Sony has been on a hot streak and is starting to see it cooling down, but Xbox has had some very weak sales this gen and I wouldn't say the X has given them the come back we want to happen.
I'd understand if Xbox was this niche brand of a smaller company, but this is MS here and they have been using loads of cash to push the Xbox One and the Xbox One X. The rise from 2017 should have been eye opening really and it was not.
They seem to be doing pretty good to me. I just don't think they can do anything to get a leg up on both the PS4 and Switch in a meaningful way currently. They have minimal exclusive software, and while I love their BC initiative its not enough for me to shell out the money for it.
What were the sales of the XB1 in 2017 btw?
No I'm not emotionally invested in this, I just dislike obvious concern trolling, and the amount of threads like this about Xbox is becoming ridiculous. You're making all sorts of false assumptions and conclusions. Noone expected the X to give them a 20% boost or anything like that. No-one. The xbox has had a 15% increase this year, you say that's because last year was bad sales but was it? Just because it's not selling PS4 numbers doesn't mean it was bad. The console is still pushing 40 million and making bank for MS.
You seem to have had unrealistic expectations for their sales this year for some reason, and are using that as a way to push that the xbox had a bad year of sales, when it didn't.
Gamepass and all this BC stuff is excellent. I still wouldn't touch their platform with a 50 foot pole but they are definitely starting to turn things around.
As consumers we need Xbox to be competitive to push Sony and Nintendo to do better.
As consumers we need Xbox to be competitive to push Sony and Nintendo to do better.
this
really???
let me refresh your memory
better resolution is obviously atreled to the most powerfull hardware...
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