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SPOILERS: God of War SPOILER Thread (SPOILER THREAD, BEWARE OF SPOILERS!)

Sterba

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Rex1157 said:
What was that last mural image in Jotunheim depicting? It looked like some kind of..spirits flying out of Kratos and Atreus' mouths?
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Not sure. At first I assumed it was Freya shoving her vines down their throats. And I assumed however Kratos and Atreus gets out of situation ends with Kratos sacrificing himself, as on the bottom right of mural you see Atreus(Loki) walking alone with a pack of wolves.

But I've seen someone say it looks like Loki is spitting out the world serpent, etc. Don't think there's a concrete answer yet.
 
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According to trophies, 30% of players have already got the "Spread the ashes" trophy, meaning 30% of players have finished the story.
This seems like quite a high number.

Regarding endgame content: About 5% of players have completed the trials of Muspelheim, got all treasure from Niflheim and defeated all Valkyries.
 

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Sterba said:
Not sure. At first I assumed it was Freya shoving her vines down their throats. And I assumed however Kratos and Atreus gets out of situation ends with Kratos sacrificing himself, as on the bottom right of mural you see Atreus(Loki) walking alone with a pack of wolves.

But I've seen someone say it looks like Loki is spitting out the world serpent, etc. Don't think there's a concrete answer yet.
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I found a similar mural but without the serpent coming out of the mouth.
 
Host Samurai

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CrazyDude said:
The symbol with the three spirals are Japanese. When you go down the elevator to Tyr's chambers, it shows he visited Greece, Mayans, Egypt, and Japan.
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Yeah, I was wondering if it was Chinese or Japanese. I also wonder how Rome will play into the story in the future, but that's like 8 mythologies away, but that story writes itself and would come full circle. After Jupiter is killed, Cthulhu shows up for the cliffhanger ending and final Kratos arc.
 
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Yeah, I was wondering if it was Chinese or Japanese. I also wonder how Rome will play into the story in the future, but that's like 8 mythologies away, but that story writes itself and would come full circle. After Jupiter is killed, Cthulhu shows up for the cliffhanger ending and final Kratos arc.
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What would Cthulu have to do with Roman Gods?
 
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Glorious!!
 
Doc Kelso

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Conspiracy theory: Faye knew that Kratos was a god-slayer coming from Greece (Mimir remarks on it at one point) due to her Jotun... eyes or whatever. She had a prophecy that he would arrive. Jotun hate the aesir gods. Like, a lot.

So, Faye bangs out with Kratos to have Loki earlier than expected, and have him raised under a more warrior-like fashion. Then, she died and sent them on their wacky adventure that started Ragnarok early, the death of the aesir. All the while Loki's rage is being fostered and he's being raised by a literal god-killer.

Flash forward a bit to the final scene. Kratos is laying there dying and Atreus/Loki is going to give in to his rage (or whatever) and kill a bunch of gods in the process. Kratos, however, asks his boy to cease the cycle of vengeance and be the man Kratos could never be. One that is capable of forgiveness. Thus, Ragnarok doesn't happen. Or something like that.

I dunno. It just seems like Faye was manipulating everything to trigger Ragnarok early to get vengeance against the aesir, and Kratos just so happened to be the man for the job.

I 100% don't believe we're going to have Kratos go to other cultures/pantheons. These games seem like they want to end with a redemption/forgiveness theme.
 
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1.21Gigawatts said:
According to trophies, 30% of players have already got the "Spread the ashes" trophy, meaning 30% of players have finished the story.
This seems like quite a high number.

Regarding endgame content: About 5% of players have completed the trials of Muspelheim, got all treasure from Niflheim and defeated all Valkyries.
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That's really impressive considering how long the game is and that it's only been 2 weeks since release.
 
Sid

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Why did Faye wanted to be burnt by the wood of the trees she had touched which in turn destroyed the magical barrier and allowed enemies to pour in? do her ashes bring the giants back to life? I was half expecting a giant to walk towards Kratos at the end...
 

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That's waaaay too low. I finished the game on level 8, I think.

You should definitely get better gear, should have some unlocked to craft already.
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Yeah not sure how I finished the game on that level tbh lol. But my gears are all over the place. I needs some recommendation on which armor set to get to have a chance with these valkyrie.
 
gutter_trash

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finished the game,
liked it overall but there some things that bugged me,

ressoruces are so badly explained, (missing item to updrage_

LOL, i finished the game, still missing resources to upgrade my gear.
 
kennyamr

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Sid said:
Why did Faye wanted to be burnt by the wood of the trees she had touched which in turn destroyed the magical barrier and allowed enemies to pour in? do her ashes bring the giants back to life? I was half expecting a giant to walk towards Kratos at the end...
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She wanted the barrier destroyed to force Kratos out, giving him no other option but to leave home. It's just a trick to make sure the go on their journey.
About the ashes, it was just to make sure they understood the whole truth at the end, and for one last time, to influence Loki to take a mental side against Odin & co. Nothing beyond that.
 
kennyamr

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Rex1157 said:
What was that last mural image in Jotunheim depicting? It looked like some kind of..spirits flying out of Kratos and Atreus' mouths?
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It was Loki spitting out the world serpent from his mouth. I'm not sure about Kratos but he looked dead.
Mythology says Loki is the world serpent's progenitor so yea...
In the EZA Spoiler Mode ep with Cory Barlog, they mention it's in fact the serpent coming out of his mouth.
 
Host Samurai

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Got a feeling that time travel shenanigans are
going to be involved here because of The Wold Serpent, who is Loki's offspring and shouldn't even exist at this point. I can image Atreus will have an epic heel turn in the sequel, as it's been teased.

Also, finished on hard on level 5. Game got easy by the middle, but god damn did I get my shit pushed in at the beginning.
 

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Doc Kelso said:
Conspiracy theory: Faye knew that Kratos was a god-slayer coming from Greece (Mimir remarks on it at one point) due to her Jotun... eyes or whatever. She had a prophecy that he would arrive. Jotun hate the aesir gods. Like, a lot.

So, Faye bangs out with Kratos to have Loki earlier than expected, and have him raised under a more warrior-like fashion. Then, she died and sent them on their wacky adventure that started Ragnarok early, the death of the aesir. All the while Loki's rage is being fostered and he's being raised by a literal god-killer.

Flash forward a bit to the final scene. Kratos is laying there dying and Atreus/Loki is going to give in to his rage (or whatever) and kill a bunch of gods in the process. Kratos, however, asks his boy to cease the cycle of vengeance and be the man Kratos could never be. One that is capable of forgiveness. Thus, Ragnarok doesn't happen. Or something like that.

I dunno. It just seems like Faye was manipulating everything to trigger Ragnarok early to get vengeance against the aesir, and Kratos just so happened to be the man for the job.

I 100% don't believe we're going to have Kratos go to other cultures/pantheons. These games seem like they want to end with a redemption/forgiveness theme.
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I would guess once the "good guy Kratos" gets played out - just have Odin kill Loki, then Kratos swears over the dead body of his boy to kill every god on earth... or have gods from other realms capture Loki and blackmail Kratos into not stepping foot in their lands (he by then already killed like two sets of gods)... So I do think it will ultimately come down to revenge, it's Kratos fate and he can't escape it no matter how hard he tries.
 
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I would guess once the "good guy Kratos" gets played out - just have Odin kill Loki, then Kratos swears over the dead body of his boy to kill every god on earth... or have gods from other realms capture Loki and blackmail Kratos into not stepping foot in their lands (he by then already killed like two sets of gods)... So I do think it will ultimately come down to revenge, it's Kratos fate and he can't escape it no matter how hard he tries.
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I honestly see the series ending with the Norse stuff. The game seemed very, very earnest about this not being a journey about wanton murder. 90% of the enemies aren't people. Kratos only lashed out at Baldur because Baldur attacked first. Same with Magni and Modi.

The Kratos we used to know wouldn't have waited a second when the other brother was beaten and bloodied. Hell, he made a point of showing Baldur mercy. When he did kill Baldur, it was a merciful and quick death.

One thing I noticed throughout the game is that all of the upgrades are given (not gear-wise). In previous games most of them were taken.
 
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Doc Kelso said:
Oh huh. With Kratos? That kinda bums me out that he just winds up being a wandering, god-killing hobo if that's the case.
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I mean, they've only said they have plans for other mythologies, they haven't said which character they're gonna explore them with. Might even be Atreus. Might be someone else (no idea who).

I don't know how I feel about Kratos just going around the world killing gods either, but I think with Tyr they introduced a lot more connectivity between mythologies than there currently is between Greece and Scandinavia, so that's definitely encouraging.
 
Doc Kelso

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Master Chuuster said:
I mean, they've only said they have plans for other mythologies, they haven't said which character they're gonna explore them with. Might even be Atreus. Might be someone else (no idea who).

I don't know how I feel about Kratos just going around the world killing gods either, but I think with Tyr they introduced a lot more connectivity between mythologies than there currently is between Greece and Scandinavia, so that's definitely encouraging.
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If they want to stick to more meaningful storytelling (and I hope they do), I'd love a series that winds up being about various pantheons getting fucked over because they were dicks to the wrong mortal/Demi-god.

Buuuuut thinking about it again, with Tyr traveling there might be some bigger, darker, eviler threat that he was trying to prepare for by warning other pantheons? I'm just spitballing at this point but I just want Kratos to have some peace and quiet eventually, dammit.
 
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Doc Kelso said:
If they want to stick to more meaningful storytelling (and I hope they do), I'd love a series that winds up being about various pantheons getting fucked over because they were dicks to the wrong mortal/Demi-god.

Buuuuut thinking about it again, with Tyr traveling there might be some bigger, darker, eviler threat that he was trying to prepare for by warning other pantheons? I'm just spitballing at this point but I just want Kratos to have some peace and quiet eventually, dammit.
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That's definitely what I think. Tyr is basically a gateway to jumping from one mythological setting to another while having stories that lead into each other, rather than being new chapters. At least I hope, because it it's new chapters each time, Kratos is officially screwed lol.

Either way, I think Kratos is too ingrained by this point, and as much as I agree with you that eventually they're gonna have to give him a rest, it's hard for me to imagine a God of War game without him. I don't know, maybe if they develop Atreus well enough over the next few games, he could conceivably become a "worthy" protagonist, but for now, Kratos remains the face of God of War (also because he literally is the God of War).
 
Host Samurai

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I think we get Norse for 2 more games. Next game deals with Thor and Freya and the 3rd game concludes with Odin, time travel, Loki and Ragnarok.



I want Kratos to stay. I like the idea of a single character that we've known for years, going around the world and interacting with all the Gods. He doesn't have to kill EVERY God in every mythology. He can just go on a journey to Japan or Egypt to make peace and try to bring the realms together, some Gods get pissed and others don't. Maybe get Athena involved somehow.

If Kratos is someone who just brings destruction, even if not intended to, it holds weight to his curse placed upon him by Ares.

Once Kratos explored every culture he goes back to Sparta where it's invaded by the Roman Gods.
 

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There is no peace and quite for Kratos as he is the god of war. His arc and thus his tragedy is that everyone he loves gets killed because of him. And he has the illusion of being able to stop that.

His plan of finding peace in Scandinavia failed as will all other plans until the only plan left is to kill every singe god , including himsel (maybe time travel Loki will come to that conclusion lol)

I can see Loki betraying him down the line.
At least I would want a classic tragical end of his story in good old Greek fashion.
 
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Kishido

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I read some posts about going to Roman mythology?

But why it's just an altered copy of the Olympians

I would rather go other myths.
 
Kishido

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And if we are at speaking about different gods.

How are they even fitting into the story.

The primordial shave created the world according to the previous entries and the gods and titans.

Does that mean that they have created the north gods as well?
 

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So many questions after GOW3 not answered..

What about the apocalypse after the downfall of Olympus?
Was it a catastrophe including only the Greece? Or the apocalypse stopped when Kratos release the hope after the suicide?

The mythology and the rules in these worlds are a mess at this point..
How can coexist gods with the same functions, realms, or titans/giants with important positions in the balance of the world?
Zeus and Odin? Or Ares and Tyr? Hades and Helheim? Atlas and The World Serpent?

Have they explained something outside of the game?

It would be fine if the Norse gods, realms as Helheim and others appeared centuries after the Greek Pantheon.. but we know that they exist at the same time. Egyptians gods are here too. Ra and Helios command the sun at the same time?
 
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Jacob4815 said:
So many questions after GOW3 not answered..

What about the apocalypse after the downfall of Olympus?
Was it a catastrophe including only the Greece? Or the apocalypse stopped when Kratos release the hope after the suicide?

The mythology and the rules in these worlds are a mess at this point..
How can coexist gods with the same functions, realms, or titans/giants with important positions in the balance of the world?
Zeus and Odin? Or Ares and Tyr? Hades and Helheim? Atlas and The World Serpent?

Have they explained something outside of the game?

It would be fine if the Norse gods, realms as Helheim and others appeared centuries after the Greek Pantheon.. but we know that they exist at the same time. Egyptians gods are here too. Ra and Helios command the sun at the same time?
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You are trying to apply scientific logic to a place that has gods and monsters. Look at it as a way that the gods can control their area as their own realm.
 
Pirate Bae

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Doc Kelso said:
Conspiracy theory: Faye knew that Kratos was a god-slayer coming from Greece (Mimir remarks on it at one point) due to her Jotun... eyes or whatever. She had a prophecy that he would arrive. Jotun hate the aesir gods. Like, a lot.

So, Faye bangs out with Kratos to have Loki earlier than expected, and have him raised under a more warrior-like fashion. Then, she died and sent them on their wacky adventure that started Ragnarok early, the death of the aesir. All the while Loki's rage is being fostered and he's being raised by a literal god-killer.

Flash forward a bit to the final scene. Kratos is laying there dying and Atreus/Loki is going to give in to his rage (or whatever) and kill a bunch of gods in the process. Kratos, however, asks his boy to cease the cycle of vengeance and be the man Kratos could never be. One that is capable of forgiveness. Thus, Ragnarok doesn't happen. Or something like that.

I dunno. It just seems like Faye was manipulating everything to trigger Ragnarok early to get vengeance against the aesir, and Kratos just so happened to be the man for the job.

I 100% don't believe we're going to have Kratos go to other cultures/pantheons. These games seem like they want to end with a redemption/forgiveness theme.
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I doubt Kratos will be around for Ragnarok. Reason being, Atreus / Loki is already confirmed to have a time-traveling son in game (Jormungand, the World Serpent), and Jormungand fights in Ragnarok (confirmed through Mimir, if I remember correctly), so Loki has to be an adult by the time it happens. If the Jotun mural is to be believed, Kratos dies when Loki is still a boy. Maybe even at the very beginning of the next game. So, my theory is this:

In the next game, Kratos dies early on. His godhood / rage / whatever is absorbed into Loki, who becomes a fully-fledged god and is approached by the Norse pantheon (I really think they want his powers because of Faye, idk why specifically, but alas). Shit happens, years pass, Loki becomes a man, gets with his giant wife as told by the myths, has kids. Fenrir, the wolf, Jormungand, the World Serpent, and maybe Hel, goddess of the dead, if they're feeling spicy. All participate in Ragnarok, and from there, idk what would happen. I don't think they'd send Loki to like, Egypt or something, but I could be wrong. I can see them doing a new protagonist completely.
 
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I expect Kratos to die during Ragnarok,at the end of this new trilogy. After that they can start another trilogy with grown up Atreus/Loki as the main character.
 

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I doubt Kratos will be around for Ragnarok. Reason being, Atreus / Loki is already confirmed to have a time-traveling son in game (Jormungand, the World Serpent), and Jormungand fights in Ragnarok (confirmed through Mimir, if I remember correctly), so Loki has to be an adult by the time it happens. If the Jotun mural is to be believed, Kratos dies when Loki is still a boy. Maybe even at the very beginning of the next game. So, my theory is this:

In the next game, Kratos dies early on. His godhood / rage / whatever is absorbed into Loki, who becomes a fully-fledged god and is approached by the Norse pantheon (I really think they want his powers because of Faye, idk why specifically, but alas). Shit happens, years pass, Loki becomes a man, gets with his giant wife as told by the myths, has kids. Fenrir, the wolf, Jormungand, the World Serpent, and maybe Hel, goddess of the dead, if they're feeling spicy. All participate in Ragnarok, and from there, idk what would happen. I don't think they'd send Loki to like, Egypt or something, but I could be wrong. I can see them doing a new protagonist completely.
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Atreus is not so well established as a character that they can afford to pass on the torch like that just yet.

It's going to take a lot more time, a well developed personality, a good, recognizable design for them to let go of Kratos and even then, I'm not sure they will. Even if I would like it to happen later on, as it would be pretty interesting, thematically.

But yeah, Kratos isn't going anywhere any time soon, I think.
 
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Before this game I would have been happy to cast aside Kratos. Now...not so much. I like grumpy Kratos at the beginning of the game the most though.
 
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Pirate Bae said:
I doubt Kratos will be around for Ragnarok. Reason being, Atreus / Loki is already confirmed to have a time-traveling son in game (Jormungand, the World Serpent), and Jormungand fights in Ragnarok (confirmed through Mimir, if I remember correctly), so Loki has to be an adult by the time it happens. If the Jotun mural is to be believed, Kratos dies when Loki is still a boy. Maybe even at the very beginning of the next game. So, my theory is this:

In the next game, Kratos dies early on. His godhood / rage / whatever is absorbed into Loki, who becomes a fully-fledged god and is approached by the Norse pantheon (I really think they want his powers because of Faye, idk why specifically, but alas). Shit happens, years pass, Loki becomes a man, gets with his giant wife as told by the myths, has kids. Fenrir, the wolf, Jormungand, the World Serpent, and maybe Hel, goddess of the dead, if they're feeling spicy. All participate in Ragnarok, and from there, idk what would happen. I don't think they'd send Loki to like, Egypt or something, but I could be wrong. I can see them doing a new protagonist completely.
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Not really, they can play loose with it and instead being his literal children, there his creation.
 
Kishido

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Loki is a shape shifter in the myth after all.

So maybe he will take the look of Kratos in future games to let the people fear him
 
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I'm not even that big of a GoW fan and I would still riot if they make Atreus a playable character instead of Kratos

^ now this idea is kinda interesting
 
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This games looks so good...

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...I can only imagine what I could do with photo mode...*sighs*
 

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Was mentioned on giantbomb spoilercast that tyr looks like Kratos but without the red tattoo. There's lots of time shennangians with the serpent being punched back through time before his birth, is it plausible that tyr is just future Kratos who with the infinty stone has travelled regions AND time?
 
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