AVENGERS 4 | Speculation Thread (Open Spoilers, Set Photos and Leaks)

AlexCampy89 · Apr 29, 2018

Rygar 8Bit said:
He wants out of these movies. There is a bunch of set up showing Cap isn't making it out of this next movie alive.

He said that if Marvel wants him back, he's back. Implying he just wants a lot of money. It's all about the money. Always.

Hemsworth is the only one who spoke of a hiatus, just to spend some time with his family, but it looked as it was just temporary.

RDJ is too old for the role, he is going for the 60s, but Evans is still young and in great shape, I can see him in one last Cap movie.

Kernel · Apr 29, 2018

Maybe it was the writing but Evans' performance looked like he's counting down the days until his contract is up. I thought he wants to move on to directing anyway.

RDJ still brought it.

Technically any/all of them can stay alive and do occasional cameos in future films.

But I'm guessing there has to be some permanent consequences from the Infinity War arc.

pochi · Apr 29, 2018

CormoranStrike said:
I hope Shuri puts on the black panther armour.

If A4 is set 5 years after, M'baku or Shuri must be BP.

NameUser · Apr 29, 2018

ExtremelyBitter said:
I'm in the camp that that's the last we see of Hiddleston as Loki, and Gamora's death here is probably going to ultimately result in her permanent removal from the MCU but I can't imagine a GotG3 that isn't heavily about the character and probably features a temporary resurrection to force Quill to grow as a character by letting her go and continuing with the mission where he seemed to fail in Infinity War.

Yeah, I want her to stay dead, but it'd be nice to see her play a major role in the next Guardians movie through flashbacks. Although, it'll be weird for someone who doesn't watch every Marvel movie (because they'll just wonder what happened between 1 and 2). But I'm not sure if there's anyone out there who does that.

Fuzzy · Apr 29, 2018

Starlite said:
That's a really solid interpretation; I think it has a lot of merit. I think Tony also tells Peter that he's alright moments before he fades away, though that could be Stark just kinda being in denial and hoping that's Peter's just freaking out.
Might explain his Tony's rather quiet reaction at the very end. He knows it's what has to happen, but it's still taking a toll on him.

Remember Tony's dream about being a father? He was. :(

Samsquanchewans · Apr 29, 2018

In the wake of Graviton on AGENTS OF SHIELD, I want them to try and bring the heroes on the TV shows like The Defenders and SHIELD people (or even some of the Runaways?) Especially Graviton against Thanos. Would be cool to see, but never gonna happen though.

Deleted member 7430 · Apr 29, 2018

Samsquanchewans said:
In the wake of Graviton on AGENTS OF SHIELD, I want them to try and bring the heroes on the TV shows like The Defenders and SHIELD people (or even some of the Runaways?) Especially Graviton against Thanos. Would be cool to see, but never gonna happen though.

If Tony's in charge of shield, we might get the agents of shield. Also, if the other heroes are gone until time resets, maybe he'll recruit some Defenders.

Hal9001 · Apr 29, 2018

From 4chan

>Rumoured titles are AVENGERS FOREVER or AVENGERS: DISSASEMBLE

>Described as a "more conventional adventure" with "massive stakes" by the Russos. Might be three hours long.

>Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Vision, War Machine, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Pepper Potts, Happy Hogan, Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Harley Keener, Shuri, Okoye, M'Baku, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Loki and Thanos confirmed to appear.

>Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, Scarlett Johansson and Jeremy Renner all reaching the end of their contracts.

>"Final chapter" of the MCU, tying up all loose ands and radically changing the status quo.

>Main focus on characters sidelined in AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR, such as Captain America, Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Nebula.

>The characters that were evaporated by Thanos' snap will have minor roles.

>Five years after INFINITY WAR, Tony Stark is leading S.H.I.E.L.D. and wants revenge on Thanos.

>Hawkeye is fighting crime as Ronin in Tokyo after his family's death. Hiroyuki Sanada is playing the leader of the Yakuza. At one point he is chased by a S.H.I.E.L.D. strike force led by Stark.

>Ant-Man is adjusting to the new world. Emma Fuhrmann is playing his teenage daughter Cassie Lang.

>Captain Marvel answers the distress call and develops a bond with Captain America, helping him regain his lost optimism.

>Nebula develops an unexpected friendship with one of the Avengers.

>Iron Man and Ant-Man revisit the Battle of New York, either through time travel or B.A.R.F.

>Certain characters such as Spider-Man and Black Panther will be revived, while others permanently killed off. Rumors point to Captain America and/or Iron Man.

>Rumors point to Thanos reviving certain characters such as Quicksilver and Crossbones to torment the heroes.

Taka · Apr 29, 2018

zery said:
If A4 is set 5 years after, M'baku or Shuri must be BP.

Maybe in 5 years they're married and rule jointly.

Samsquanchewans · Apr 29, 2018

Brewha said:
If Tony's in charge of shield, we might get the agents of shield. Also, if the other heroes are gone until time resets, maybe he'll recruit some Defenders.

I atleast want the defenders to fight some of Thanos' minion on a miniscule level since most of them are close quarter based like Daredevil, Ironfist and Luke Cage. Shit.. you know what.. all of them are Close quarters combat specialist.

Deleted member 7430 · Apr 29, 2018

Samsquanchewans said:
I atleast want the defenders to fight some of Thanos' minion on a miniscule level since most of them are close quarter based like Daredevil, Ironfist and Luke Cage. Shit.. you know what.. all of them are Close quarters combat specialist.

I also want Netflix Punisher on the big screen. Kingpin in Spiderman 2.

Tito · Apr 29, 2018

Tony Stark will definitely die. All the signs are there, the son dream (maybe it's a girl, so we can have Irongirl, for the PC crowd, maybe Tony's sperm had nanobots, etc) all the Pepper scene would be pointless if he doesn't die, plus we have the "almost dead" moment, which is the oldest trope saying that he will die shortly after. It's like warming the audience for that.

As for the rest, the stones are magical, so everyone that got pulverized can be revived easily, and the logical conclusion is that at least the time stone will be destroyed at the end of the movie, sucks for Dr Strange, but we can't have him looking at the future or reversing the past for the next movies, it's already used here.

The axe of Thor logically can hold the power of the stones (I suspect just one, max two, given Thor's power). Made by the dude that made the gauntlet, it's pretty obvious that the only way for them to use it is:
- Thor's axe
- Hulk
- Joint heroes (unlikely since GotG already did it)
- Stark's machine

liquidtmd · Apr 29, 2018

Avengers Dissasemble is a stupid title, no way it's being called that

Rygar 8Bit · Apr 29, 2018

Tito said:
Tony Stark will definitely die. All the signs are there, the son dream (maybe it's a girl, so we can have Irongirl, for the PC crowd, maybe Tony's sperm had nanobots, etc) all the Pepper scene would be pointless if he doesn't die, plus we have the "almost dead" moment, which is the oldest trope saying that he will die shortly after. It's like warming the audience for that.

As for the rest, the stones are magical, so everyone that got pulverized can be revived easily, and the logical conclusion is that at least the time stone will be destroyed at the end of the movie, sucks for Dr Strange, but we can't have him looking at the future or reversing the past for the next movies, it's already used here.

The axe of Thor logically can hold the power of the stones (I suspect just one, max two, given Thor's power). Made by the dude that made the gauntlet, it's pretty obvious that the only way for them to use it is:
- Thor's axe
- Hulk
- Joint heroes (unlikely since GotG already did it)
- Stark's machine

Tony is going to retire. Cap death is all but certain. The message left on the phone for Tony, baby will be named Steve.

liquidtmd · Apr 29, 2018

Samsquanchewans said:
I atleast want the defenders to fight some of Thanos' minion on a miniscule level since most of them are close quarter based like Daredevil, Ironfist and Luke Cage. Shit.. you know what.. all of them are Close quarters combat specialist.

Defenders: "Oh shit, they aren't being defeated by throws! OUR THROWS AREN'T WORKING QUICK SEND HALP"

Bronx-Man · Apr 29, 2018

Hal9001 said:
>Nebula develops an unexpected friendship with one of the Avengers.

Tony?

Lukemia SL · Apr 29, 2018

Yeah this isn't short circuit, disassembled is awful

Starlite · Apr 29, 2018

Sounds like a pretty blatant fake. Most of the "details" come straight from prior interviews and fan speculation, and neither Forever or Disassembled make sense as a title in the context of that rumor. The Avengers have already been broken up for a while, and there'd be no point in calling it Avengers Forever if time travel plays a minor or nonexistent part. Didn't the Russos or someone already say that Avengers 4 is even crazier than IW? Doesn't really mesh well with it being a more conventional adventure.

Fuzzy said:
Remember Tony's dream about being a father? He was. :(

Yeah, Tony's gonna be really fucked up from what he saw, what transpired is even worse than his worst fears in AoU. I'm really curious about what his general mindset will be in the next one.

Fuzzy · Apr 29, 2018

Bronx-Man said:
Tony?

Tony's gonna build a rocket ship with her body and ride all the way home. :P

Smiley90 · Apr 29, 2018

As someone who's never read the comics and only vaguely knows what happens - who's more powerful and/or more integral to undoing Thanos's Crap, Captain Marvel or Adam Warlock?

Jombie · Apr 29, 2018

Captain Marvel answers the distress call and develops a bond with Captain America, helping him regain his lost optimism.

I'd love for that to be true.

manchego obfuscator · Apr 29, 2018

...the kid from Iron Man 3 is in Avengers 4? I liked him and that's the most underrated film in the franchise, but why?

Rygar 8Bit · Apr 29, 2018

manchego obfuscator said:
...the kid from Iron Man 3 is in Avengers 4? I liked him and that's the most underrated film in the franchise, but why?

There must always be a Iron Man!

Jombie · Apr 29, 2018

Kernel said:
Maybe it was the writing but Evans' performance looked like he's counting down the days until his contract is up. I thought he wants to move on to directing anyway.

RDJ still brought it.

Technically any/all of them can stay alive and do occasional cameos in future films.

But I'm guessing there has to be some permanent consequences from the Infinity War arc.

Cap just has shockingly such few scenes and dialogue that it's hard to convey anything. And the couple of interesting scenes he does have they're not allowed to breathe.

wbloop · Apr 29, 2018

How high are the chances that the plot of A4 will involve time travel? To be honest, I have never read the comics, so I don't know if that's even an option, but seeing how IW ended and how Thanos seems to be literally unbeatable I see almost no other option than the rest of the Avengers trying to reverse the situation by going back in time. I also don't know if that is possible considering Thanos owns the Time Stone and can control time by himself.

The extreme ending to IW makes me veeeeery worried for A4, because the writers wrote themselves into a corner by ending IW like they did. I'm afraid that this will end in a huge cop-out or will involve a lot of deus ex machina. Also, "killing off" characters that have sequel confirmed is plainly just stupid and is even dumber when you consider that Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios blatantly refuse to name the Phase 4 movies because that probably would involve spoilers for A4...

AlexCampy89 · Apr 29, 2018

Smiley90 said:
As someone who's never read the comics and only vaguely knows what happens - who's more powerful and/or more integral to undoing Thanos's Crap, Captain Marvel or Adam Warlock?

Adam.

Captain Marvel wasn't even in Infinity War crossover comic books.

Her only highlight roles is in Infinity, but the spotlight is shared with a lot of heroes.

AlexCampy89 · Apr 29, 2018

Jombie said:
Cap just has shockingly such few scenes and dialogue that it's hard to convey anything. And the couple of interesting scenes he does have they're not allowed to breathe.

Bucky, Nebula and Black Panther screen time is even less...

Cap was hiding the whole time and was Earth' defenses frontline.

Tony in space.
Steve on Earth.

Movie is focused more on space, hence Steve has a minor role.

Evans' performance was great, the badass face he does when he catches Proxima's spear is priceless.

imax · Apr 29, 2018

Soundwind said:
so this begs the question

if Tony and Scott are going back in time picking up older versions of the avengers

what are the other current living avengers doing (cap,thor, nat) etc.

Maybe they gave up.

donkey · Apr 29, 2018

Hal9001 said:
From 4chan

>Rumoured titles are AVENGERS FOREVER or AVENGERS: DISSASEMBLE

The King beyond the wall · Apr 29, 2018

So when Dr strange said there was only one way to beat thanos, he wasnt talking about what they did but was actually referring to giving him the stone right? The way Dr strange looked intently at thanos to see whether he accepted it confirms this - and then Peter saying he didn't want to disappear (like he knew this was the plan but didn't want to vanish and was scared) so what can Dr strange be planning?

Presumably this one in a million chance to beat thanos must be batshit insane right?

Lukemia SL · Apr 29, 2018

I've forgotten, where did Strange portal Starlord to when he flipped the bird and jumped back into it?

spookyduzt · Apr 29, 2018

The King beyond the wall said:
So when Dr strange said there was only one way to beat thanos, he wasnt talking about what they did but was actually referring to giving him the stone right? The way Dr strange looked intently at thanos to see whether he accepted it confirms this - and then Peter saying he didn't want to disappear (like he knew this was the plan but didn't want to vanish and was scared) so what can Dr strange be planning?

Presumably this one in a million chance to beat thanos must be batshit insane right?

This is the timeline Strange saw where they won. He had to give up the Time Stone to save Tony's life because he's pivotal in fixing shit in A4.

Witness · Apr 29, 2018

I don't like the idea of a 5 year time jump and then going back to TA1 time period and doing....something to prepare them for what happened in Infinity War. I would assume then that P2 and P3 wouldn't have happened then because everything would have changed between?

Dahbomb · Apr 29, 2018

Avengers Forever makes the most sense out of any title I have heard.

And I can see how the Russo bros would think that is a spoiler for the title as in the comic, it involves time travel of Cap to gather Avengers from different time lines. Of course in this movie it will be much different but some elements would carry over from it.

Also you can can get the Avengers 4ever pun going.

Lukemia SL · Apr 29, 2018

Punished Snaku said:
This is the timeline Strange saw where they won. He had to give up the Time Stone to save Tony's life because he's pivotal in fixing shit in A4.

Yeah he wouldn't go through that part where he was saying if it came to tony, peter or the stone the stone wins, just to give up the stone to spare Tony's life.
Something else is afoot, he's seen the outcome. The end game.

RPGamer92 · Apr 29, 2018

Avengers: The Thanos Imperative. I hate the Forever suggestions honestly.

Deleted member 4367 · Apr 29, 2018

No way Vision doesn't still play some role in 4. The Shuri stuff will mean something.

a916 · Apr 29, 2018

liquidtmd said:
Avengers Dissasemble is a stupid title, no way it's being called that

Yeah seems like a weird thing when they've never even uttered Avengers Assemble

Yaboosh said:
No way Vision doesn't still play some role in 4. The Shuri stuff will mean something.

God, if they find a way to movie BS and bring him back because Shuri is a million times smarter than Tony Stark and Bruce Banner, she's duplicated Vision and he doesn't need an infinity stone.

Lukemia SL · Apr 29, 2018

Vision turned a different colour when he died, I wonder if they'll replaced the hole in his head with whatever data Shuri extracted and he becomes like that all white version of him.

Vic_Viper · Apr 29, 2018

Hal9001 said:
From 4chan

>Rumoured titles are AVENGERS FOREVER or AVENGERS: DISSASEMBLE

>Described as a "more conventional adventure" with "massive stakes" by the Russos. Might be three hours long.

>Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Vision, War Machine, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Pepper Potts, Happy Hogan, Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Harley Keener, Shuri, Okoye, M'Baku, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Loki and Thanos confirmed to appear.

>Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, Scarlett Johansson and Jeremy Renner all reaching the end of their contracts.

>"Final chapter" of the MCU, tying up all loose ands and radically changing the status quo.

>Main focus on characters sidelined in AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR, such as Captain America, Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Nebula.

>The characters that were evaporated by Thanos' snap will have minor roles.

>Five years after INFINITY WAR, Tony Stark is leading S.H.I.E.L.D. and wants revenge on Thanos.

>Hawkeye is fighting crime as Ronin in Tokyo after his family's death. Hiroyuki Sanada is playing the leader of the Yakuza. At one point he is chased by a S.H.I.E.L.D. strike force led by Stark.

>Ant-Man is adjusting to the new world. Emma Fuhrmann is playing his teenage daughter Cassie Lang.

>Captain Marvel answers the distress call and develops a bond with Captain America, helping him regain his lost optimism.

>Nebula develops an unexpected friendship with one of the Avengers.

>Iron Man and Ant-Man revisit the Battle of New York, either through time travel or B.A.R.F.

>Certain characters such as Spider-Man and Black Panther will be revived, while others permanently killed off. Rumors point to Captain America and/or Iron Man.

>Rumors point to Thanos reviving certain characters such as Quicksilver and Crossbones to torment the heroes.

These all sound awesome and exactly what I want form A4. Im totally going to avoid all the trailers after the first one this time lol.

There were a few posters on Reddit before Infinity War released that said they had a bunch of info for A4 too, but noone believed their IW spoilers so they didnt say what they knew about A4.

Hope Cap gets a bigger role in A4, especially if this is his final movie.

Do we know if they "officially" finished filming A4? I was reading that the Russos said the original plan was to film them both at the same time, but they weren't able to finish A4 at the time due to the massive time commitment. Wonder if they have finished it by now though. Also who in the original Avengers still has more movies left on their contracts after A4? I know Cap and Tony are finished with their commitments, but what about Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow?

Deleted member 9330 · Apr 29, 2018

Avengers Forever seems the most plausible, as it incorporates the "four" into the title. I assume the Russos are fans of "Super Smash Bros. for 3DS"

Blader · Apr 29, 2018

Vic_Viper said:
These all sound awesome and exactly what I want form A4. Im totally going to avoid all the trailers after the first one this time lol.

There were a few posters on Reddit before Infinity War released that said they had a bunch of info for A4 too, but noone believed their IW spoilers so they didnt say what they knew about A4.

Hope Cap gets a bigger role in A4, especially if this is his final movie.

Do we know if they "officially" finished filming A4? I was reading that the Russos said the original plan was to film them both at the same time, but they weren't able to finish A4 at the time due to the massive time commitment. Wonder if they have finished it by now though. Also who in the original Avengers still has more movies left on their contracts after A4? I know Cap and Tony are finished with their commitments, but what about Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow?

Principal photography has wrapped, so it is technically official finished but they're going back for reshoots in the fall.

Hemsworth's contract ends with Avengers 4 (technically his, Downey and Evans' deals ended with IW but they each reupped for A4). Ruffalo still has one more on his deal after A4. I don't think it's ever really been confirmed how many movies are on Scarlett's contract, and whenever someone asks her about she dodges the question, but I could swear I saw on a Deadline article years ago that she signed up for eight films. Which, if true, would leave her with one more after A4, prob to be filled by a Black Widow movie in 2020.

Vic_Viper · Apr 29, 2018

This guy seems to think the title for A4 is going to be Avengers: Endgame. Not my favorite of the rumored titles, but its to the point lol. Not exactly the big Spoiler that the Russos made it out to be, but I bet that was all just marketing speak.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/avengers-endgame-title

Deleted member 4367 · Apr 29, 2018

I was reading some article about everybody who has worn the infinity gauntlet. Under Adam Warlock it says this:

While Nebula battled with the cosmic entities in "Infinity Gauntlet" #6 (1991) by Jim Starlin and Ron Lim, Adam Warlock transferred himself into the soul gem. There, his power was magnified and he used it to reach out to the other gems, disrupting Nebula's hold over them. When she lost the Gauntlet, Warlock appeared and took the gauntlet for himself, now granting him the power of omnipotence. He then undid all of the damage that Nebula and Thanos had done.

Like the others, Warlock didn't hold onto the gauntlet for very long. He was confronted by the Living Tribunal, who claimed that Warlock couldn't handle the power and forced him to disperse the gems or lose their power completely. In "Warlock and the Infinity Watch" #2 (1992) by Jim Starlin and Angel Medina, he disperses the gems between himself, Gamora, Drax, Pip and Moondragon, forming the titular group of the book. Unfortunately, Warlock's time with the gauntlet would have lasting repercussions.

The whole "transferred himself into the soul gem" feels like something they will go with using either Gamora who has a link to the soul gem, or Vision. The Shuri stuff with vision makes me think she put Vision's life into the gem he carried or something like that.

Caz · Apr 29, 2018

zery said:
If A4 is set 5 years after, M'baku or Shuri must be BP.

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thediamondage · Apr 29, 2018

I noticed this in the original Infinity War trailer, I wonder how extensive the changes to Hulk's storyline were in the last six months. Hulk refusing to come out was a bit weird, I don't really buy the "he's a kid, he's afraid of Thanos" thing I wonder if there is something more.
https://i.imgur.com/WAxMSYt.jpg

liquidtmd · Apr 29, 2018

Vic_Viper said:
This guy seems to think the title for A4 is going to be Avengers: Endgame. Not my favorite of the rumored titles, but its to the point lol. Not exactly the big Spoiler that the Russos made it out to be, but I bet that was all just marketing speak.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/avengers-endgame-title

Hopefully nothing to do with Treks Voyager finale 'End Game', where an old hero who lives in a mournful yet happy enough future decides to rebel against their remaining team mates and steal tech in order to go back in time to butt heads with their younger hopeful counterparts to right the future.

Because that would be silly.

Patitoloco · Apr 29, 2018

thediamondage said:
I noticed this in the original Infinity War trailer, I wonder how extensive the changes to Hulk's storyline were in the last six months. Hulk refusing to come out was a bit weird, I don't really buy the "he's a kid, he's afraid of Thanos" thing I wonder if there is something more.
https://i.imgur.com/WAxMSYt.jpg

I think it's just a misdirection of the trailer, all Marvel films do the same

Richiek · Apr 29, 2018

>Rumors point to Thanos reviving certain characters such as Quicksilver and Crossbones to torment the heroes.

I would think Ultron would be a better candidate, especially since it's implied that he's inside the Mind Stone.

Deleted member 4367 · Apr 29, 2018

thediamondage said:
I noticed this in the original Infinity War trailer, I wonder how extensive the changes to Hulk's storyline were in the last six months. Hulk refusing to come out was a bit weird, I don't really buy the "he's a kid, he's afraid of Thanos" thing I wonder if there is something more.
https://i.imgur.com/WAxMSYt.jpg

They are simply building up to a big Hulk smash moment in the next movie.

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