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Abstrusity

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Oct 27, 2017
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What is source for this claims?
The Wii went through many different changes but was still The Wii, with almost nothing different on the outside. This is how Nintendo has operated in the "next generation" here. It's extremely likely they're not going to release a "switch lite" or a "switch plus" or whatever for a while, because that's a whole mess of logistics to deal with and the problem exists only in the Tegra chip.

When the drive chip was compromised in the Wii, it went through at least 5 revisions, from clipped pins to how instructions were run, necessitating changes to how people compromised it, and there is no evidence pointing to a new revision sold as a separate device.

They're likely to just get a Tegra chip that isn't compromised by massive security flaws that only a hardware revision can fix, and work it into the assembly line in lieu of the old one.
 

Simba1

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Dec 5, 2017
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Hackers went through the OS 5.0.0 update and found reference to a new Nvidia Tegra chip called 'Mariko' which is the Tegra 214. The current Switch has the Tegra 210 and that is the one that can be exploited.

Hackers that discovered the exploit have disclosed it to Nvidia and Nvidia have closed the hole with the new chip. And as the latest Switch updates make reference to the new chip then it is expected to be included in newly manufactured Switch units.

The Wii went through many different changes but was still The Wii, with almost nothing different on the outside. This is how Nintendo has operated in the "next generation" here. It's extremely likely they're not going to release a "switch lite" or a "switch plus" or whatever for a while, because that's a whole mess of logistics to deal with and the problem exists only in the Tegra chip.

When the drive chip was compromised in the Wii, it went through at least 5 revisions, from clipped pins to how instructions were run, necessitating changes to how people compromised it, and there is no evidence pointing to a new revision sold as a separate device.

They're likely to just get a Tegra chip that isn't compromised by massive security flaws that only a hardware revision can fix, and work it into the assembly line in lieu of the old one.

I dont think theres any source to it, but it will happen. The bug will be fixed and there is no need to change the Switch package because of this. There might be a way to tell from the serial number, but that is still unknown.



Tnx all, more-less I know that, but I was refferd more to part "revision coming to retail soon", are we having any infos on that or is that just guess based on other infos we have?
 

Ninjadom

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Oct 25, 2017
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Vena, a major poster in this thread, implied that units with the T214 Mariko have already gone into manufacture. Meaning that their retail appearance will be fairly soon.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
16,450
I'm salivating

Would games like Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion playable without analogue triggers though?

Really cool!

Hopefully we can just get a native Dolphin Emulator at some point and assuming that Nintendo is building one to release in an update for Virtual console anyways that may be the one to use
 

CoinStarDX

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
629
Really cool!

Hopefully we can just get a native Dolphin Emulator at some point and assuming that Nintendo is building one to release in an update for Virtual console anyways that may be the one to use
Considering the switch detects and accepts input From the GameCube adapter I could see it being used down the line.
 

Adder

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Oct 28, 2017
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.

MOD EDIT: This was posted before the modpost outlining the policy below. Removed the warning.
 

Notaskwid

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Oct 25, 2017
5,652
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
Lmao Where did euro gamer promote piracy and who is pirating consoles?
 
Mar 27, 2018
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.

#1. Hacking your Switch =/= piracy

#2. Eurogamer is entitled to report on this news. To want them to be sued is terrible. Corporations suing news organizations because they put out unfavorable news should never be encouraged

#3. There is currently no way to pirate games with the fusee galee exploit, nor the hardmod.

#4. The console was not "pirated", it was hacked. Hacking open a console has not yet had a demonstrable effect on sales in any context. You're afraid of a vulnerability literally 5% of the Switch owners (if that) will ever get around to using.
 
Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
I'm going to ignore that you have no idea how freedom of the press works or what Eurogamer actually reported on and link you to this article explaining why the bolded would be an incredibly stupid idea:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Streisand_effect
 

BernardoOne

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Oct 25, 2017
10,289
Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
They aren't promoting piracy. The console isn't being "pirated".
 

Dev

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Oct 25, 2017
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
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Yasumi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
Oh Adder, you and your wacky Nintendo posts.
 

Zomba13

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Oct 25, 2017
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
Yay, another person implying the people excited for this are pirates!
 

Durante

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Oct 24, 2017
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
I've decided that this is a sarcastic jab at similar sentiments, because it's too silly to be real.
 
Mar 27, 2018
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Are they gonna fix this on future Switch versions ?

It looks like they will. Newer Switch firmwares reference a Tegra 214 (as opposed to the Tegra 210 aka stock Tegra X1 in the current Switch). This revision is codenamed mariko and many in the community are predicting it will be a silent update of the current Switch model, not a Switch Lite, Switch XL, or New! Switch of any sort.

Time will tell for sure though, nothing has popped up in retail channels yet.
 

Finale Fireworker

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Oct 25, 2017
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We intend to crack down on piracy discussions in homebrew and emulation threads moving forward. As long as a hack can be used for legitimate homebrew and/or legal emulation, we will not be permitting derails about piracy. Anyone not observing this rule after this post will be actioned accordingly.

If you have questions about this, please contact the staff privately.
 
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Congrats assholes, let see the online gaming being crushed by hackers.

Glad it was free before the shitstorm begins.

Enjoy your morons spamming players with lightning and blue shells in Mario Kart 8 DX.
 

Sammy Samusu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok so we are not allowed to discuss the impact this hack may have on piracy, software sales and third-party support.

Are we allowed to discuss the incoming flow of cheaters?
 

LordGorchnik

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Oct 30, 2017
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I read through the first 6-7 pages but I'm not seeing where modding your switch gives you the ability to hack online MP games. Has there actually been evidence of people tampering in on-line sessions already?
 

Mendrox

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Oct 26, 2017
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Ok so we are not allowed to discuss the impact this hack may have on piracy, software sales and third-party support.

Are we allowed to discuss the incoming flow of cheaters?

Well, you could open a thread about exactly that but nobody does this so no ground to discuss anymore in here. Just open a thread for that . :)

I read through the first 6-7 pages but I'm not seeing where modding your switch gives you the ability to hack online MP games. Has there actually been evidence of people tampering in on-line sessions already?

Cheating will be possible. Someone is already working on Action Replay for cheats. Online Cheating without getting banned though? Nice try. There are also only that much Switches that would be able to use cheats. They wont be in every game all the time but most people in here dont understand that
 

EliVilla

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I read through the first 6-7 pages but I'm not seeing where modding your switch gives you the ability to hack online MP games. Has there actually been evidence of people tampering in on-line sessions already?
Not yet but it'll come. I don't think it's as big of a deal as others are making of it though but that's just me.

Edit: For GameCube emulation I hope there's some way to have it native to the switch os I would rather not put Linux if I don't have to.
 

MattB

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Oct 25, 2017
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Was hoping for a Pokemon gen without hacked Pokemon. Looks like that isn't gonna happen.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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We intend to crack down on piracy discussions in homebrew and emulation threads moving forward. As long as a hack can be used for legitimate homebrew and/or legal emulation, we will not be permitting derails about piracy. Anyone not observing this rule after this post will be actioned accordingly.
Thanks. May I assume the old GAF rules likewise apply about linking copyrighted material / pirate sites still being forbidden?
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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So people already have android running on it? I can't find a video of anyone trying moonlight, that would be a game changer if it just worked.
 

DrROBschiz

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Oct 25, 2017
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So people already have android running on it? I can't find a video of anyone trying moonlight, that would be a game changer if it just worked.

Not to my knowledge but since its an ARM based Tegra hardware there is no reason to believe its not being built as we speak

Pretty exciting! Linux is up and running for now at least and people are playing around with it
 

RedMercury

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Not to my knowledge but since its an ARM based Tegra hardware there is no reason to believe its not being built as we speak

Pretty exciting! Linux is up and running for now at least and people are playing around with it
Wow that's wild, that's really mostly what I want is just to play steam in bed or on the couch haha, netflix and a web browser would be great but if moonlight works well that is my killer app.
 

Thatguy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Congrats assholes, let see the online gaming being crushed by hackers.

Glad it was free before the shitstorm begins.

Enjoy your morons spamming players with lightning and blue shells in Mario Kart 8 DX.
To me the biggest hurt of Switch being hacked is 3rd party publishers possibly getting scared away. I think it really hurt PSP. How does this compare to the PSP hack in terms of time? Was PSP hacked within a year? All that said, the Homebrew scene on PSP was really cool so there might be some big upsides to this. That GC emulator looked good.
 

Zelas

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Oct 25, 2017
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To me the biggest hurt of Switch being hacked is 3rd party publishers possibly getting scared away. I think it really hurt PSP. How does this compare to the PSP hack in terms of time? Was PSP hacked within a year? All that said, the Homebrew scene on PSP was really cool so there might be some big upsides to this. That GC emulator looked good.
PC
 

David

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Oct 25, 2017
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Having Linux means we can play Linux games like HL2 and Team Fortress 2 ?

We intend to crack down on piracy discussions in homebrew and emulation threads moving forward. As long as a hack can be used for legitimate homebrew and/or legal emulation, we will not be permitting derails about piracy. Anyone not observing this rule after this post will be actioned accordingly.
Thank you very much for this.
 

Sojiroh

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Oct 27, 2017
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Terrible news for Nintendo. They should sue Eurogamer for promoting piracy and cut relations with them. Hopefully this does not affect games sales and does not bring cheaters, although by seeing this thread and the Internet I doubt it. Crazy being that happy with a console being pirated.
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Mendrox

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Oct 26, 2017
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To me the biggest hurt of Switch being hacked is 3rd party publishers possibly getting scared away. I think it really hurt PSP. How does this compare to the PSP hack in terms of time? Was PSP hacked within a year? All that said, the Homebrew scene on PSP was really cool so there might be some big upsides to this. That GC emulator looked good.

PSP only took months for the first cfw. The battery hack took years and was luck.
 

night814

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Ok so we are not allowed to discuss the impact this hack may have on piracy, software sales and third-party support.

Are we allowed to discuss the incoming flow of cheaters?
It's not going to be nearly as rampant as PC so I wouldn't worry at all. Also just because someone is cheating doesn't mean they automatically win, you've never outplayed a cheater online in anything?
 

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To me the biggest hurt of Switch being hacked is 3rd party publishers possibly getting scared away. I think it really hurt PSP. How does this compare to the PSP hack in terms of time? Was PSP hacked within a year? All that said, the Homebrew scene on PSP was really cool so there might be some big upsides to this. That GC emulator looked good.

Indeed, sometimes homebrew can bring ton of fun stuff. But sadly, that's the head of the iceberg.

3DS,Wii and Wii U were hacked too for cheaters.

Yes, and it was a nightmare. I'll never forget when every online session in Mario Kart DS was a disaster.

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User Banned (1 Day): Ignoring a moderator post. Thread derailment.
We intend to crack down on piracy discussions in homebrew and emulation threads moving forward. As long as a hack can be used for legitimate homebrew and/or legal emulation, we will not be permitting derails about piracy. Anyone not observing this rule after this post will be actioned accordingly.

Oh I have an idea, chef : block the threads.

Toxic cheaters can search for hacking methods themselves instead of polluting ResetEra.
 

sensui-tomo

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I think when people think the psp was hurting tend to forget that software sold great in japan, now in the west could you make an arguement that piracy may have hurt it... maybe but again the psp wasnt by no means dead due to piracy. I'm hoping that we can get some ability to inject fan translations into games that dont come over here in the future (and its great we dont need to worry about a region unlocker)

Oh I have an idea, chef : block the threads.

Toxic cheaters can search for hacking methods themselves instead of polluting ResetEra.
Thats more of a fault with nintendo and they need to show that when people are going to pay for online services that they'll have this shit on lockdown, and remember ps3/360 were hacked too, hell some wii games had anti-cheating measures implemented.
 

Zomba13

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Oh I have an idea, chef : block the threads.

Toxic cheaters can search for hacking methods themselves instead of polluting ResetEra.
I see we've moved on from the "you hackers are just excited for piracy!" and now onto "you hackers are excited for cheating!"

I do find it funny you mentioned Mario Kart DS as a game cheaters ruined. It was ruined by all the snaking, long before cheats.