SPOILERS: God of War SPOILER Thread (SPOILER THREAD, BEWARE OF SPOILERS!)

Terraforce · Apr 24, 2018

IIFloodyII said:
The Spartan Rage took over too, it's why he doesn't remember killing Thor's son in Hel.

Yup. It surprised the hell out of me that some people don't understand why. He already had small spurts of Rage due to the Spartan Rage from Kratos. Combine that with being told he's a god and thinking everything he does is justified because of that, his actions make perfect since.

More_Badass · Apr 24, 2018

Chaz said:
There should be a blue crystal slot below. That's how you do it

Yeah, I noticed it a minute after that post. Now to find a crystal

gundamkyoukai · Apr 24, 2018

More_Badass said:
Yeah, I noticed it a minute after that post. Now to find a crystal

You have to hit it down to the ground since it on a rope.

Rezbit · Apr 24, 2018

Really enjoyed this! The story was one of the better ones told in videogames in my opinion. Especially crazy considering how edgelord the other games in the franchise were. Very hefty combat that really opens up once you get further into the game. I'm sure it's a common complaint though that more boss variety would be welcome. Also I noticed a slight bit of input delay. Otherwise that's about my only complaints, game is one of my favs of the generation.

Kard8p3 · Apr 24, 2018

I mean Baldur has gone off the deep end. He's not gonna stop hunting Kratos and Atreus, he had to be killed.

Of course he was only ever after Kratos and Atreus because he thought they were giants, but still.

ResetEraIsTheBestEra · Apr 24, 2018

at the end of the day all is Odin's and Thor's fault, they need to be put down for the sake of everyone

IIFloodyII · Apr 24, 2018

ResetEraIsTheBestEra said:
at the end of the day all is Odin's and Thor's fault, they need to be put down for the sake of everyone

Thor seems like such a mega prick, he's like Kratos' levels of dickhead. Odin just sound like he's went insane.

Deleted member 37928 · Apr 24, 2018

Prince of Yharnam said:
Are they insane lol?! Just had to fight like 15 mins at that Muspelheim Kill 100 Enemies challenge. That felt like an eternity and I didn't get any healing stones. Jesus

Get Ratatöskr and upgrade him to level 3. Despite being a complete asshole he will save you most of the time :D

Wolf of Yharnam · Apr 24, 2018

Tekku said:
Get Ratatöskr and upgrade him to level 3. Despite being a complete asshole he will save you most of the time :D

Where do I get that? I have all the other ones

Kard8p3 · Apr 24, 2018

Tekku said:
Get Ratatöskr and upgrade him to level 3. Despite being a complete asshole he will save you most of the time :D

Does he only give you rage stones? I've yet to get any health from him.

Solace · Apr 24, 2018

RocknRola said:
Might as well just have him say: "I killed basically everyone that's even remotely related to you Boy."

"I ran out of gods to kill BOI, so I moved here"

ResetEraIsTheBestEra · Apr 24, 2018

IIFloodyII said:
Thor seems like such a mega prick, he's like Kratos' levels of dickhead. Odin just sound like he's went insane.

yeah, the more i explored the more made he hate that family of assholes. not one redeeming feature or person from them.

VivekTO · Apr 24, 2018

dtraposo said:
I liked the game overall but I definitely do not think it was this all-time masterpiece that it was hyped up to be. I think a sequel where they're not spending so much time working on an engine / figuring out exactly what the game is going to be and instead spend more time with developing cool boss fights and deepening the relationship between Kratos and Atreus (please for the love of god keep Mimir around) could be really fascinating.

They did what they set out to do and i think they did quiet an amazing job within the scope of the game , I don't know how could you say after finishing it, that the game needed more emphasis on Kratos and Atreus relationship, they are the center of the whole journey or the game, its there relationship that makes the game for me , not just the combat or graphics.
The growth in the bonding and the understanding between father and son by the end of the game is truly and achievement on its own and i never feel in other games.

The game has heavy forshadowing as everything is connected to the Norse lore, and will impact the sequels too, I mean the killing of Baldur is the Start of the Ragnarok.But they don't want to take away from the father son journey. we did see the thor anyway.

The best part about the game for me is that I remember smaller moments more than the Epic boss fights , mostly banter between father and son and there time on the boat, Also the Combat is perfect for moment to moment gameplay and it's just makes me play the game again and again, just to try all the options.Epic fights are good , but not for replaybility.
I think they could handle the boss fights with more actions/interactions but certainly it doesn't need just more no. of boss fights.

Kard8p3 · Apr 24, 2018

IIFloodyII said:
Thor seems like such a mega prick, he's like Kratos' levels of dickhead. Odin just sound like he's went insane.

Yeah, one of the lingering spirits you find really hammers (ha) how much of a cunt thor is.

Deleted member 37928 · Apr 24, 2018

I feel like they could've established Atreus spirit ability much, much better. I barely payed attention to the spirits because they never held any great significance to the story. They just kinda ended up in the inventory without much notice.

Why not have a couple of scenes where Freya explains that spirits are drawn to Atreus? Then they could've met the first spirit in her forest that wanted to bond with him. This could also have been used to show unique interactions with spirits in terms of solving puzzles or cool cutscenes where they aid both Atreus and Kratos.

Seeing as how hilarious Ratatöskr was with his dialogue I would've wanted them to establish him as something more important. At least tell us how he came to be and why he wants to bond with Atreus. He is part of the norse lore after all.

Prince of Yharnam said:
Where do I get that? I have all the other ones

Solve the puzzle on the light elf outpost. He's in one of the chests.

Kard8p3 said:
Does he only give you rage stones? I've yet to get any health from him.

It is random I believe but yes he gives you plenty of health from time to time. When I met the last Valkyrie he gave me 6 health gems in total. It really saved me in that fight.

More_Badass · Apr 24, 2018

IIFloodyII said:
Thor seems like such a mega prick, he's like Kratos' levels of dickhead. Odin just sound like he's went insane.

He sounds like if Kratos worked well with Zeus. Imagine if someone with Kratos' rage was working alongside someone with Zeus' pettiness

Olaf · Apr 24, 2018

Incredibly disappointed with the story. Baldur was such a shitty last boss. I wish we got to see more gods, especially Thor. I wanted to kill him after hearing all the stories.

Freya's model was last-gen compared to everyone else.

Overall it's an incredible game, with a bit too much fetching missions. How they locked certain locations for later was fine with me, although it was sometimes jarring when things were explained with an ironic "how convenient".

ASleepingMonkey · Apr 24, 2018

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This game's understanding of domestic violence is really strange...

-Freya tortures and abuses Baldur for a hundred years.
-Baldur goes insane and starts killing random people and being a Kratos stand-in from the prior games.
-Baldur tries to kill Freya
-Kratos kills Baldur even though Freya begs him not too.

I dislike that Kratos killing Baldur is framed heroically... Killing an abuser against the wishes of the person he abused (in the frame of Baldur as the abuser which is highly questionable) is just removing all agency from the abused and is pretty bad... Killing the abused for trying to kill their abuser is even worse.

The game has Kratos transforming into a less terrible person (off-screen transformation mostly but still) but then it's like "Kratos killing Baldur is very good"

My uncle is a domestic abuser and I've wanted to kill him in my life, but his wife doesn't want him to be killed or imprisoned because she still has feelings for him and to kill him would be to want to sate my desire for vengeance and blood instead of caring about what she (the abused) actually wants)

(note that this is not the case for other forms of domestic violence. I have relatives who receive texts from abusers threatening to kill themselves because they think it will make the abused feel bad... And some of the abused relatives I have REALLY want their abusers to please kill themselves and how that would be really nice. But Freya, even in the framed of being abused which again is really questionable, is someone more similar to my uncle's wife).

Those are my thoughts as someone who has gone through a lot of domestic violence experiences (second-hand) in my life and as someone whose parents bullied me and caused my suicidal depression (which made this plot line shockingly close to my actual life so I would have liked to be handled perfectly or... at least not badly).

It didn't feel super heroic. The music wasn't triumphant (if I recall), he did it begrudgingly, he was ending the cycle. He really didn't want to but he doesn't want humanity to keep going through this horrific cycle of parent hurts child, child gets revenge and murders parent.

Solace · Apr 24, 2018

Kaotic said:
It was a shitty situation and it seems like even though Freya would hate Kratos for killing her son, she was the lesser of two evils to keep alive. She might still be reasoned with, while Baldur just seemed to be a lost cause. There was no getting through to him. Also she did help save Atreus' life when he got sick so maybe he felt he owed her for that. Just my two cents on that topic.

I think Kratos killig Baldur and stopping him from killing Freya is more of him facing his biggest fear. Now that he has a son, watching another child(who is a god) killing his parent(another god) could be Kratos's biggest fear.

Dhuggs_ · Apr 24, 2018

I just beat the game and good god that ending and going back home and seeing Thor in that after credits scene? Give me a sequel tomorrow.

Deleted member 37928 · Apr 24, 2018

Olaf said:
Incredibly disappointed with the story. Baldur was such a shitty last boss. I wish we got to see more gods, especially Thor. I wanted to kill him after hearing all the stories.

Freya's model was last-gen compared to everyone else.

Overall it's an incredible game, with a bit too much fetching missions. How they locked certain locations for later was fine with me, although it was sometimes jarring when things were explained with an ironic "how convenient".

Yeah, I understand that they didn't go for the classic "battle between good and evil" story, but they teased it too much to leave it out like they did. Personally I didn't like the conclusion that much, it felt a bit anti-climactic and unresolved. The final area was just a couple of stairs, some wall paintings and a great view. There was no great significance to their quest except learning about their heritage and the sad truth about the giants. I totally expected Fayes ashes to either make her reappear or at least affect the dead giants in the area, but nothing like that happened. It felt like there was so much more to explore and learn in Jotunheim after all those hours of build up, but it ended up being the smallest and most forgettable area in the game and our heroes left almost as soon as they came.

Sir Guts · Apr 24, 2018

Dhuggs_ said:
I just beat the game and good god that ending and going back home and seeing Thor in that after credits scene? Give me a sequel tomorrow.

I wish we can get a sequel tomorrow. I don't want anything added to it I'm fine with it being just like this game

Anabolex · Apr 24, 2018

So Faye was a giant, but why was she normal sized? All other giants are gigantic in the game.
What I also didn`t understand was when Kratos said that Arteus was part giant, part god and part mortal. I know that Kratos mother was a normal human, but he was made a god so why would he be half mortal? I mean he is immortal, thats why he was able to escape the realm of the dead multiple times.

More_Badass · Apr 24, 2018

Anabolex said:
So Faye was a giant, but why was she normal sized? All other giants are gigantic in the game.
What I also didn`t understand was when Kratos said that Arteus was part giant, part god and part mortal. I know that Kratos mother was a normal human, but he was made a god so why would he be half mortal? I mean he is immortal, thats why he was able to escape the realm of the dead multiple times.

All giants are Jotun, but not all Jotun are giant

Also he was made a god, but he's still a demigod by birth, with a human mother

Solace · Apr 24, 2018

Anabolex said:
So Faye was a giant, but why was she normal sized? All other giants are gigantic in the game.
What I also didn`t understand was when Kratos said that Arteus was part giant, part god and part mortal. I know that Kratos mother was a normal human, but he was made a god so why would he be half mortal? I mean he is immortal, thats why he was able to escape the realm of the dead multiple times.

Maybe thats just Kratos putting a leash on the BOI. I mean he told him he is part human and still Atreus got full of himself, Had he told the boi he is a full on god, he probably had Kratos killed by now!lol

D.Dragoon · Apr 24, 2018

Ok so I liked the part where Atreus got full of himself when he found out that he was part God. He became an asshole and had an attitude more akin to Kratos to the point where he murders someone that was no longer a threat. He does bring it back to not being a total asshole later. The part I do not like and maybe they explain it but I missed it is in Helheim where he sees himself killing Modi and says something like it isn't him and doesn't remember doing it. So was he in some sort of fugue state because he found he was part God? He should accept that violence and nonchalance is part of him because of his father, I felt that the explanation presented was cop out.

Sir Guts · Apr 24, 2018

D.Dragoon said:
The part I do not like and maybe they explain it but I missed it is in Helheim where he sees himself killing Modi and says something like it isn't him and doesn't remember doing it. So was he in some sort of fugue state because he found he was part God? He should accept that violence and nonchalance is part of him because of his father, I felt that the explanation presented was cop out.

There was no explanation. It was just Atreus became blinded by the fact that he's a god so he thinks he can do whatever he wants. Notice how he looked down on everybody else when he knew that he's a god

Siggy-P · Apr 24, 2018

Just finished the game. Was loving it up until Baldurs death. Everything after was more than a little anti-climactic.

It feels like Baldur only died to set up Freya as a villain in the sequal. Could have just fought her here right then and there, it was really awkward when she just glares at them and walks away.

I also don't think baldur deserved to die. His attempt to kill his mother after Kratos spared him sort of undermines the whole story and moment they were going for. Would have been better had he just shunned and never spoken to her again, became a good guy in a sequal or something... I mean they don't even seem to care much that what she did to him was beyond horrific. Does Atreus not even feel a bit empathetic for him? Really?

Loki twist was lame too. Feels like they're banking on players knowing who Loki is from the Thor movies for that to have any dramatic weight. And what exactly does Atreus being half giant add to the story, other than more sequal bait for a reason to go up against Thor and Odin?

Speaking of which, it's lame as all hel that Odon and Thor don't even so much as appear in this with how they never shut up about them.

Also, this may just be me, but did everyone at Santa Monica just completely forget that Kratos butchered his first wife and daughter?

BigWinnie1 · Apr 24, 2018

D.Dragoon said:
Ok so I liked the part where Atreus got full of himself when he found out that he was part God. He became an asshole and had an attitude more akin to Kratos to the point where he murders someone that was no longer a threat. He does bring it back to not being a total asshole later. The part I do not like and maybe they explain it but I missed it is in Helheim where he sees himself killing Modi and says something like it isn't him and doesn't remember doing it. So was he in some sort of fugue state because he found he was part God? He should accept that violence and nonchalance is part of him because of his father, I felt that the explanation presented was cop out.

Yeah he whited out and doesn't remember what he did. My mother used to do something like that when My her and my dad first got married. She had issues that when she got upset she would white out and try to fight my dad and they had to deal with that until she got a therapist and worked it out. Atreus most likely has some issues with his anger like his dad and needs to work it out.

Wolf of Yharnam · Apr 24, 2018

I never had this feeling of wanting to play through the story again so soon after finishing it. Can't wait to play it again, but first I want to try for that platinum trophy

Worst is, I have no idea what to play after I'm done with it all. No new game can compare

Karthane · Apr 24, 2018

D.Dragoon · Apr 24, 2018

Sir Guts said:
There was no explanation. It was just Atreus became blinded by the fact that he's a god so he thinks he can do whatever he wants. Notice how he looked down on everybody else when he knew that he's a god

I did say I liked the part where he got full of himself but I just don't buy the "I forgot, it isn't me" part in the context the story. To me it would be more interesting to confront that part of him that he clearly gets from his father.

Sir Guts · Apr 24, 2018

D.Dragoon said:
I did say I liked the part where he got full of himself but I just don't buy the "I forgot, it isn't me" part in the context the story. To me it would be more interesting to confront that part of him that he clearly gets from his father.

Yeah I got you but I explained what actually happened. That he got blinded by the fact that he's a god and lived a different personality. But yeah, an explanation would've been better

BigWinnie1 · Apr 24, 2018

Siggy-P said:
Just finished the game. Was loving it up until Baldurs death. Everything after was more than a little anti-climactic.

It feels like Baldur only died to set up Freya as a villain in the sequal. Could have just fought her here right then and there, it was really awkward when she just glares at them and walks away.

I also don't think baldur deserved to die. His attempt to kill his mother after Kratos spared him sort of undermines the whole story and moment they were going for. Would have been better had he just shunned and never spoken to her again, became a good guy in a sequal or something... I mean they don't even seem to care much that what she did to him was beyond horrific. Does Atreus not even feel a bit empathetic for him? Really?

Loki twist was lame too. Feels like they're banking on players knowing who Loki is from the Thor movies for that to have any dramatic weight. And what exactly does Atreus being half giant add to the story, other than more sequal bait for a reason to go up against Thor and Odin?

Speaking of which, it's lame as all hel that Odon and Thor don't even so much as appear in this with how they never shut up about them.

Also, this may just be me, but did everyone at Santa Monica just completely forget that Kratos butchered his first wife and daughter?

No one forgot Kratos Killed his family but Kratos given a choice would never attack any of his family. His wife and child were placed there by Ares and Ares forced him into a bloodlust as his champion. Kratos fought his brother to bring some sense to him, and then lost them against.

All those memories are way to painful for Kratos. Maybe Laufeye knew about all the bad things he did but he would most likely never tell His son all the details of what happened.

gundamkyoukai · Apr 24, 2018

Siggy-P said:
Just finished the game. Was loving it up until Baldurs death. Everything after was more than a little anti-climactic.

It feels like Baldur only died to set up Freya as a villain in the sequal. Could have just fought her here right then and there, it was really awkward when she just glares at them and walks away.

There was nothing she could do or did you forget she is curse .
Also we already seen Thor at the end so you know he going to be one bog bosses for the next game.

TheWorthyEdge · Apr 24, 2018

More_Badass said:
Kratos says how no fate is set in stone. Mimir says Odin would probably disagree with him on that and is doing everything in his power to control the outcome of Ragnarok

No, Mimir said that's one thing Odin and Kratos would agree on.

TheModestGun · Apr 24, 2018

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I don't have a PS4 at school as I left it with my brother. I'll probably play it when I come back to my brother's house this summer. But I wanted to see the story so I watched a playthrough (without commentary).

I think you might be relating this game to your life a little more closely than it actually resembles the situation.

The game does not frame it as heroic. It frames it as tragic and complex, and in the moment, Kratos had no other choice at this point. It was either kill him, or watch Freya die. In real life, if you are in that situation, you do not let that person kill people, no matter how much the abused loves that person.

Either way, I'm sorry you have to deal with that situation in your real life. I hope your family is able to get away from it.

A word on abusers though, strangulation or any violence of that caliber is a strong indicator that the abuser may be likely to murder. If it's that intense for your family (not saying it is or isn't). Get them out of there if you can.

Ombra · Apr 24, 2018

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
My parents refused to let me seek counseling for my suicidal depression and instead I went through 8 years of pain and agony. I viewed that as abuse. So I view Freya leading to Baldur's, actual strongly depression-like, symptoms as abuse and torture.

Sorry to hear that, but Yeah I think you have an extremely strong bias few will be able to relate to the story of baldur and his mum.

A man was going to kill his mother and she was going to let him. Any outsider looking in regardless of their history would be given pause, plus baldur dying was the best move for Kratos and his son for purely selfish reasons.

Dark_Chris · Apr 24, 2018

Valkyrie armour set. Yay or nay?

More_Badass · Apr 24, 2018

TheWorthyEdge said:
No, Mimir said that's one thing Odin and Kratos would agree on.

Are you sure? I believe it was Kratos saying that fate isn't set in stone and Mimir saying Odin would disagree because he believes the prophecy of Ragnarok and thus wants to control the outcome of the inevitable war

TheWorthyEdge · Apr 24, 2018

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This game's understanding of domestic violence is really strange...

-Freya tortures and abuses Baldur for a hundred years.
-Baldur goes insane and starts killing random people and being a Kratos stand-in from the prior games.
-Baldur tries to kill Freya
-Kratos kills Baldur even though Freya begs him not too.

I dislike that Kratos killing Baldur is framed heroically... Killing an abuser against the wishes of the person he abused (in the frame of Baldur as the abuser which is highly questionable) is just removing all agency from the abused and is pretty bad... Killing the abused for trying to kill their abuser is even worse.

The game has Kratos transforming into a less terrible person (off-screen transformation mostly but still) but then it's like "Kratos killing Baldur is very good"

My uncle is a domestic abuser and I've wanted to kill him in my life, but his wife doesn't want him to be killed or imprisoned because she still has feelings for him and to kill him would be to want to sate my desire for vengeance and blood instead of caring about what she (the abused) actually wants)

(note that this is not the case for other forms of domestic violence. I have relatives who receive texts from abusers threatening to kill themselves because they think it will make the abused feel bad... And some of the abused relatives I have REALLY want their abusers to please kill themselves and how that would be really nice. But Freya, even in the framed of being abused which again is really questionable, is someone more similar to my uncle's wife).

Those are my thoughts as someone who has gone through a lot of domestic violence experiences (second-hand) in my life and as someone whose parents bullied me and caused my suicidal depression (which made this plot line shockingly close to my actual life so I would have liked to be handled perfectly or... at least not badly).

It wasn't intentional "torture". She didn't want her son to feel loss, heart-break, or pain. She was selfish in this, I never once saw it as domestic abuse. Just selfish parenting. Which is the common theme of the game itself. If you see it as domestic abuse though, that's fine. It's an interesting perspective but I don't think it was meant to be seen this way.

BlueOdin · Apr 24, 2018

What's that giant bird in Helheim?

Dhuggs_ · Apr 24, 2018

Karthane said:

Greg straight up going, "You're going to tell me this whole fucking time this motherfucker is Loki?" and Cory's straight up like, "Yeah" made me laugh hysterically.

Siggy-P · Apr 24, 2018

gundamkyoukai said:
There was nothing she could do or did you forget she is curse .
Also we already seen Thor at the end so you know he going to be one bog bosses for the next game.

Oh god yeah, I actually did forget about that. Fair enough.

Caim · Apr 24, 2018

More_Badass said:
Are you sure? I believe it was Kratos saying that fate isn't set in stone and Mimir saying Odin would disagree because he believes the prophecy of Ragnarok and thus wants to control the outcome of the inevitable war

Yeah you can actually go to the Lore section if you got the conversation and read "Nothing is Written":

Odin thinks he can beat fate and change Ragnarok, even though the serpent's already been through it.

"Father doesn't think much of fate either- "another lie told by the gods" -so they have that in common..."

gameovergreggy · Apr 24, 2018

Dhuggs_ said:
Greg straight up going, "You're going to tell me this whole fucking time this motherfucker is Loki?" and Cory's straight up like, "Yeah" made me laugh hysterically.

:)

gameovergreggy · Apr 24, 2018

Karthane said:

Obviously, I'm biased, but a lot of interesting stuff here -- specifically at the end when I try to pin him down on the Snake/Kratos connection.

ronaldthump · Apr 24, 2018

When I finished the game. What I really really liked about the GOW story is that fundamentally, it's a simple journey to deliver some ashes and then along the way this grand adventure ... it's a marvellous game.

gundamkyoukai · Apr 24, 2018

More_Badass said:
Are you sure? I believe it was Kratos saying that fate isn't set in stone and Mimir saying Odin would disagree because he believes the prophecy of Ragnarok and thus wants to control the outcome of the inevitable war

He is right it's something they would agree on.

Innuendo84 · Apr 24, 2018

So I finished the story. Most disappointing part for me was that there are only 4 bosses in the whole game. Why so few?

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