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Majukun

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This thread is in some serious need of mod intervention to set up the rules about what is and what isn't allowed to be discussed in here. This thread's endless cycle of people trying to tell each other what they should talk about is getting out of hand (on both sides).
i think the policy has always been clear..homebrew=good, piracy=not good
 

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Oh that's cool then! Is it usefull stuff or just proof of concept shenanigans? Nothing close to a CFW, right?
Not CFW yet (although that is scheduled for "summer"). Equivalent to homebrew channel on Wii and HB launcher on 3DS. Not much useful stuff yet. Has some poorly optimised retroarch emulators and simple games like DOOM, Snake, Tetris, an 2D space arcade shooter, a LTTP style Zelda fan game and a few apps like an homebrew app store, FTP client and a paint app.
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KillerMan91

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Oct 25, 2017
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PSP wants a word with you

partly down to piracy probably tbh. Like it was so trivial once they got to the point that opening a .tiff image on your device opened the floodgates.

Thing is software sales were quite shit on PSP so standard of software quality suffered.

Nobody says the hardware wasn't selling well. You need the hardware to hack shit after all. How's the software side though.

PSP had completely normal attach rate for handheld. It's software sales were not as poor as people think.


And people also exaggerate the situation on PSP.

Attach rates of different handhelds:

Game Boy: 4.22 (final)
WonderSwan: 2.86 (final)
Game Boy Advance: 4.63 (final)
Nintendo DS: 6.16 (as March 2016, final)
PlayStation Portable: 4.38 (as March 2012)
Nintendo 3DS: 5.01 (as December 2017)
 

Filament Star

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Oct 25, 2017
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If we can just get emulators going that would be swell, especially since I have no faith in Nintendo to deliver on an N64/Gamecube VC at this point.
 

Pablo Mesa

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Nov 23, 2017
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PSP had completely normal attach rate for handheld. It's software sales were not as poor as people think.
I would like to know the source of the PSP 4.38 AR cause http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Software_tie_ratio# has it at 3.88 but, lets go with the 4.38 here. the issue is that Attachment Rate, works on relative, not absolutes and this sometime do spell problems for the developer. if we count DS AR (attachment rate) was 6.16, and PSP 4.38, that is only a 1.78 AR gap, dont seem that much, but when you equate it to the respective size of their userbases.

DS at 154M hardware sales, with a 6.16 AR, means each game on average sold 9.48M
PSP at 82M hardware sales, with a 4.38 AR, means each game on average sold 3.59M

that 1.78 AR gap becomes a 5.89M software sales gap.

we also dont know (likely yes but Im to lazy to check something like that for such an "old" data) how games were doing before and after piracy was enabled. im sure PSP had some games that went beyond the Average and lifted teh number, but for each game that sold beyond that, it means other games sold under those numbers
 
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RockyMin

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nintendo will probably be delivering the stuff people want (cloud saves, classic games) with the rollout of their online service in September. So probably 5 months from now.

Who wants cloud saves? I want to back up my saves to SD Card or USB, like I can do with PS4 and other devices. And I don't have to pay extortion in the form of an online service fee to back up that data either.
 

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After reading the explanation from team fail0verflow, what an oversight from Nvidia. I wonder how Nintendo reacted to this.

Now, finally time to emulate my older games. I will probably wait until the new revision comes out and then hack my current Switch to make it an exclusive portable emulator machine.
 

fiendcode

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Who wants cloud saves? I want to back up my saves to SD Card or USB, like I can do with PS4 and other devices. And I don't have to pay extortion in the form of an online service fee to back up that data either.
I want cloud saves, like I get on Steam. It's more secure than physical backups.

The paywall sucks, but it's pretty low ($20/year) and it's sort of unavoidable at this point in the console industry. At least I'll get free online NES games too.
 

Virtua

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Besides, today there are so many options for Windows handhelds Android handhelds that are totally open and free for "Homebrew" development, that are often cheaper or more capable than switch.

Combine this with how attitudes towards Indies and their prominence on switch has changed and this argument about "Homebrew" falls apart entirely and this kind of thing only specifically hurts indie developers that have found a powerful platform in the switch.

This kind of thing exists and can be defended for only two reasons: greed or malice for the companies affected. Which is it?
 
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fiendcode

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Sure they will. Only a small proportion of people will ever use homebrew on any system. But the option should be there for those who want to.
Right, I'm not dismissing people's right to what they want. I just don't think this is really a very compelling argument for the wider market. And it's also not personally, I want to hack my (2nd) Switch but for other reasons really.
 

GreenMonkey

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Hardmod looks super easy, right?

I'm on something sub 3.0 (2.3?). Debating updating so I can install Bayonetta from the eShop. Probably pick up a few other games also.
 

Mechanized

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Oct 27, 2017
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The latest Switch update is mandatory to connect to the store, Nintendo preparing? Previously you could just choose not to update Games and the store would just work without the newest updates.
 

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I wonder if they'd ever be able to get a psp emulator working on it. I really want to play Crisis Core again and we couldn't do that on the Vita.
 

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Sony of course says piracy is killing it's highly successful console that saw the release of hundreds of games...

Obviously piracy is a problem, but it's an exaggerated one: neither killed PC, neither killed consoles.

Piracy download =/= lost sales

Piracy is a small byproduct of a much larger and bigger benefit of a closed console becoming an open platform.
 

RockyMin

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I want cloud saves, like I get on Steam. It's more secure than physical backups.

The paywall sucks, but it's pretty low ($20/year) and it's sort of unavoidable at this point in the console industry. At least I'll get free online NES games too.

How is it more secure, when I can multiple backups of my saves on several USB drives? And I don't need an internet connection or online service to access them. And unavoidable? I already said the other consoles are allowing you to backup saves for free, so they are avoiding it. Seriously man, put down the Nintendo Kool Aid for a second and do some research.

who says backing up save files will be behind a pay wall?
nothing is known yet

fiendcode and others seem to feel that it will be like that.
 

fiendcode

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Besides, today there are so many options for Windows handhelds Android handhelds that are totally open and free for "Homebrew" development, that are often cheaper or more capable than switch.

Combine this with how attitudes towards Indies and their prominence on switch has changed and this argument about "Homebrew" falls apart entirely and this kind of thing only specifically hurts indie developers that have found a powerful platform in the switch.
No Android handheld comes close to Switch performance. Loki could've been great but Nvidia killed it after getting the Nintendo deal.

For Windows, GPDWin2 looks like it'll ballpark Switch performance generally, but it's twice the price and it's controls are also likely inferior (going by Win1).
 

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who says backing up save files will be behind a pay wall?
nothing is known yet
Backing up saves is pretty trivial for a software company as large as Nintendo. If Nintendo plans to implement it there is no other rational reason than they are waiting for the Online Service to refrain from releasing it until now.

I mean anything is possible but refraining from releasing a save backup feature for a year and then releasing it for free after that year in the years 2017-2018 is pretty improbable.
 

LinktothePastGOAT

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Besides, today there are so many options for Windows handhelds Android handhelds that are totally open and free for "Homebrew" development, that are often cheaper or more capable than switch.

Combine this with how attitudes towards Indies and their prominence on switch has changed and this argument about "Homebrew" falls apart entirely and this kind of thing only specifically hurts indie developers that have found a powerful platform in the switch.
LOL. You LITERALLY just said that there are so many options for handhelds that use homebrew and then say this hurts developers... Seeing as how there isn't any way to run backups and people are wanting to use this for emulators since Nintendo refuses to release legacy games on their one year old hardware, this won't hurt anyone. Stop.
 

elyetis

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Besides, today there are so many options for Windows handhelds Android handhelds that are totally open and free for "Homebrew" development, that are often cheaper or more capable than switch.
No Windows handhelds cost less than hacking a Switch you already own, and that's without even speaking about the practicality of having Switch games and homebrew on a single hardware.
 

Maxim726x

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Well, guess I'll be buying the revision and using my current machine as an emulation station... Can't wait to see what it can do.
 

Phonzo

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Finally i can put my Switch to use. Havent touched it since i finished BOTW like 4 months ago.
 

m43lstr0m

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Now comes the part where people say this is a noble thing and lie about only using games they already actually own. They always claim that, but then it just becomes a money saving thing and theft.
For those with actual good intentions here, you are going to be in the extreme minority. Most will just use this to steal from a company they claimed to love.
 

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Now comes the part where people say this is a noble thing and lie about only using games they already actually own. They always claim that, but then it just becomes a money saving thing and theft.
How exactly do you know this? Or is it just a "feeling" or an anecdote?

(BTW I don't claim your statement to be true or to be false because I have seen no data or evidence of any kind either way)
 
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fiendcode

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How is it more secure, when I can multiple backups of my saves on several USB drives? And I don't need an internet connection or online service to access them. And unavoidable? I already said the other consoles are allowing you to backup saves for free, so they are avoiding it. Seriously man, put down the Nintendo Kool Aid for a second and do some research.
It's more secure because it's not physical. If my storage dies, or there's a fire, or whatever, I still have my saves. It's also simpler for the end user, which is why basically everyone is moving this direction (Apple, Amazon, Google, Steam, PlayStation, Xbox, etc).

And I think you misunderstood me, I just meant that an online fee is unvoidable. It's the way every console maker is going, but Nintendo at least is going to be the most affordable ($20 vs $50). Also Sony puts cloudsaves behind their paywall and limits storage (1GB), but they do allow physical backups.
 

Zomba13

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Wah wah wah you are all pirates wah wah wah how dare you break the law and put illegal homebrew apps on your Nintendo owned system that you are just renting per the terms of service for the online portion you'll get banned from for connecting with CFW. Wah wah wah Piracy killed the PSP but somehow didn't kill the DS, 3DS, PS1, PS2, PC, Wii or Wii U (that was dead before homebrew). Wah wah wah I'm not going to call you guys pirates because I'll get a warning but I will say that this thing will only be used for piracy and it's always about piracy and only used for piracy and if you use this you're a pirate but I'm not going to say it ;) I don't care what you say you want, I know you better than you do and I know you're a dirty pirate.

wah wah wah