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What Apple Products do You have?

  • Mac

    Votes: 394 64.0%
  • iPad

    Votes: 446 72.4%
  • iPhone

    Votes: 535 86.9%
  • Watch

    Votes: 368 59.7%
  • Airpods

    Votes: 405 65.7%
  • AppleTV

    Votes: 308 50.0%
  • None: The Dark World

    Votes: 25 4.1%

  • Total voters
    616

jts

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Went caseless this weekend due to lack of space. It went about as you'd expect.
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Ouch. First iPhone I'll never go caseless with. I second the question above though. Is there any situation in which a case takes too much space?
Man I really want to pick up the next MBP 13" but them dumping all the ports after 2015 was a fucking bizarre move. 2?! USB-C ports on the entry level model is a joke.

And for the love of God please stop cutting stuff to make it thinner. It's already plenty thin.
Yeah I'm glad I'm on a 2014. In many ways I agree with Marco Arment that the 2015 is the best laptop Apple has ever made. 2 years after the 2016 original release, I still don't think we're nearly ready for USB-C only, so I don't know how I'll ever feel completely comfortable to upgrade if Apple doesn't back pedal. A bit at least. Hell, 4 ports across the board + HDMI would already make me happy. And a good keyboard.
 

Ac30

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Ouch. First iPhone I'll never go caseless with. I second the question above though. Is there any situation in which a case takes too much space?

Yeah I'm glad I'm on a 2014. In many ways I agree with Marco Arment that the 2015 is the best laptop Apple has ever made. 2 years after the 2016 original release, I still don't think we're nearly ready for USB-C only, so I don't know how I'll ever feel completely comfortable to upgrade if Apple doesn't back pedal. A bit at least. Hell, 4 ports across the board + HDMI would already make me happy. And a good keyboard.

Yeah, adding an HDMI port would go a long way. Apple laptops are gorgeous but the touchbar is an overpriced gimmick for the average joe and when your competitors offer comparable/better specs at lower prices it make it harder to justify the 13" :/ I'll probably buy it anyways for the resale value but ugh
 

DekuBleep

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Yeah, adding an HDMI port would go a long way. Apple laptops are gorgeous but the touchbar is an overpriced gimmick for the average joe and when your competitors offer comparable/better specs at lower prices it make it harder to justify the 13" :/ I'll probably buy it anyways for the resale value but ugh

I'm gonna ask you to tell me what you are talking about here.

Yes Apple laptops are expensive. But I have never believed that Apple is offering worse specs at higher prices (except in products that haven't been updated recently). You can buy a 13" without a TB for less. And when you add up the screen quality, SSD parts quality, build quality, etc, accurately then I am not aware that you can find "better specs at lower prices". You also get free OS updates and compatibility with all your other Mac/iOS stuff.

I am not challenging you, I am simply interested to know the precise details if this is actually true.
 

Ac30

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I'm gonna ask you to tell me what you are talking about here.

Yes Apple laptops are expensive. But I have never believed that Apple is offering worse specs at higher prices (except in products that haven't been updated recently). You can buy a 13" without a TB for less. And when you add up the screen quality, SSD parts quality, build quality, etc, accurately then I am not aware that you can find "better specs at lower prices". You also get free OS updates and compatibility with all your other Mac/iOS stuff.

I am not challenging you, I am simply interested to know the precise details if this is actually true.

You can get a Dell XPS 13" with currently superior specs/more SSD space and more ports for $100 cheaper than the non-TB model, provided you can live with a 1080P screen, but I don't want this to turn into spec fight. I just wish they'd add back the ports they removed. The build quality is certainly superior to most laptops though apparently the recent keyboards are rather problematic.

Heck I'm still buying one lol
 
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You can get a Dell XPS 13" with currently superior specs/more SSD space and more ports for $100 cheaper than the non-TB model, provided you can live with a 1080P screen, but I don't want this to turn into spec fight. I just wish they'd add back the ports they removed. The build quality is certainly superior to most laptops though apparently the recent keyboards are rather problematic.

Heck I'm still buying one lol

So in other words, it's not superior specs for less money.

If Apple doesn't ship a product that meets your preferences on areas to focus on that's one thing, but again this isn't "Apple is overpriced".
 

MrKlaw

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I'm gonna ask you to tell me what you are talking about here.

Yes Apple laptops are expensive. But I have never believed that Apple is offering worse specs at higher prices (except in products that haven't been updated recently). You can buy a 13" without a TB for less. And when you add up the screen quality, SSD parts quality, build quality, etc, accurately then I am not aware that you can find "better specs at lower prices". You also get free OS updates and compatibility with all your other Mac/iOS stuff.

I am not challenging you, I am simply interested to know the precise details if this is actually true.

13" bass MBP is £1250 in the UK. You can get plenty of decent 8th gen i5 ultrabook style laptops with SSD, 8GB ram and 1080p screen for about half that
 

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The 13" MBP isn't crazy overpriced (at least in the US) but the 15" absolutely is. You can get an XPS 15 with an i7-7700HQ, 512GB SSD, 4GB GTX 1050, and 4K display for $1999 where the 15" Pro with the i7-7700HQ, 512GB SSD, 4GB Radeon Pro 560, and 2880x1800 display is $2699.
 

borghe

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The 13" MBP isn't crazy overpriced (at least in the US) but the 15" absolutely is. You can get an XPS 15 with an i7-7700HQ, 512GB SSD, 4GB GTX 1050, and 4K display for $1999 where the 15" Pro with the i7-7700HQ, 512GB SSD, 4GB Radeon Pro 560, and 2880x1800 display is $2699.
The 15" MPB is a vastly superior form factor.... for whatever its worth.. on top of normal Apple build quality and such. Also (assumption here) going by past performance, the SSD in the MBP is likely considerably faster and likely faster RAM.

your prices are correct.. but benchmarks from apple to competitor often lean in apple's favor due to ram and flash speeds.. and their form factor is amazing.. are those worth $700? That's the question the buyer ultimately has to answer.
 

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The 15" MPB is a vastly superior form factor.... for whatever its worth.. on top of normal Apple build quality and such. Also (assumption here) going by past performance, the SSD in the MBP is likely considerably faster and likely faster RAM.

your prices are correct.. but benchmarks from apple to competitor often lean in apple's favor due to ram and flash speeds.. and their form factor is amazing.. are those worth $700? That's the question the buyer ultimately has to answer.

The XPS 15 also has a PCIe SSD (I think the MBP's is indeed slightly faster, but not dramatically so) and has 2400MHz DDR4 RAM (versus 2133MHz LPDDR3 in the MBP).
 
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The XPS 15 also has a PCIe SSD (I think the MBP's is indeed slightly faster, but not dramatically so) and has 2400MHz DDR4 RAM (versus 2133MHz LPDDR3 in the MBP).

It's a x2 versus x4 difference, so depending on what you're doing it's a pretty big difference.

But either way it's not a good comparison between them. The XPS is a half-pound heavier and thicker. It's got a higher resolution panel, but it's got a smaller gamut and it's much less bright. If you want to make the argument Apple should be making an equivalent laptop to the XPS, I'm open to the idea (cue the complaints about thinner and thinner laptops instead of adding more storage or better airflow) but that again doesn't tie into being "overpriced". It's a question of what you value.
 

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It's a x2 versus x4 difference, so depending on what you're doing it's a pretty big difference.

But either way it's not a good comparison between them. The XPS is a half-pound heavier and thicker. It's got a higher resolution panel, but it's got a smaller gamut and it's much less bright. If you want to make the argument Apple should be making an equivalent laptop to the XPS, I'm open to the idea (cue the complaints about thinner and thinner laptops instead of adding more storage or better airflow) but that again doesn't tie into being "overpriced". It's a question of what you value.

There are things the XPS does better and things the MBP does better, sure.

There is nothing the MBP does that's $700 better, unless you value macOS that much.

(Also, XPS 15 SSD benchmarks put it at comparable performance to the MBP: https://i.redd.it/5okrocquxwyy.png as an example. The display is also wide gamut at over 180% sRGB: https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/dell-xps-15)
 
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Kimchi_Breath

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So how long have Apple Stores had enough iPhone 6 Plus batteries in-stock for walk-ins? Just called asking for an update on my ordered battery from 3 months ago and they said I could come in pretty much anytime.

What was the point of having to schedule a Genius Bar diagnostic to actually order the battery and never getting back to me? Cupertino dropping the ball.
 

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Has anyone gone from an aluminium Apple Watch to a stainless steel one? Is the more expensive watch significantly lighter?
 

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Thanks guys. I thought the weight thing didn't make sense but I read that people with the steel version notice it less on their wrist and I wondered why.
 

jts

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Aluminum's durability isn't too shabby either, my 2015 one basically looks pristine on the wrist, and I wear it every day. Series 7000 Al is tough.

Worst part is the composite back. It really wears out.
 

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Because they're delusional. I own both steel and aluminum.

Thanks. I guess some people just try and justify their purchases by saying that. I certainly prefer the look of the SS but don't really want the extra weight, although considering 38mm is my flavour, it's pretty much a non-issue anyway.

I also don't like the way you can't buy the SS version without cellular capabilities. I don't need the feature, yet it must eat some of the battery unnecessarily.
 

dallow_bg

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The good news is a lot of newer routers take design cues from Apple's now-discontinued AirPort line. Cleanly shaped white towers and unassuming pucks have largely replaced routers that look like robot insects with airplane cockpit lights for eyes — although you can still find wonkier styles at the high end.

Ha, yes.
 

tmdorsey

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Quick question. If I have iCloud Photo Library turned on, what's the easiest way to get an offline backup of my photos onto disk?
 

DekuBleep

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I'll keep my airports until they stop working/stop being secure. Then I'll buy whatever is good at the time.
 
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Using an old Airport Express is still a really simple way to get Airplay to dumb speakers, that's what I've used mine for.

While it sucks they're going, I think it's fair to say that Apple could do with fewer products at this point. Consolidating is definitely a good idea.
 

Mr. Wonderful

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Same. Always had zero issues with my Apple gear, unlike other routers. I liked being all-in on the Apple ecosystem, but apparently Tim doesn't want to have an ecosystem anymore. It's baffling.
Absolutely zero issues, over many different pieces of AirPort hardware over the last decade plus. Which is an amazing thing to say.

Do modern routers collect data on everything you browse to? I just kind of assume that most Google or mesh routers do that.
 
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Same. Always had zero issues with my Apple gear, unlike other routers. I liked being all-in on the Apple ecosystem, but apparently Tim doesn't want to have an ecosystem anymore. It's baffling.

To be fair, I haven't had a router that required any kicking in years. Come along way from the Linksys 54G days.

The ecosystem benefit sthis had was Time Capsule (which was far and away probably the most flakey part about it) and AirPlay. There's 3rd party applications for the latter, and I imagine the former just isn't as big a deal as it once was. I've got my content backed up via DAS and via cloud backup, Time Capsules were never going to be large enough to sync all my computers to it for backups, which would be the main appeal.
 

Vanillalite

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I'm gonna ask you to tell me what you are talking about here.

Yes Apple laptops are expensive. But I have never believed that Apple is offering worse specs at higher prices (except in products that haven't been updated recently). You can buy a 13" without a TB for less. And when you add up the screen quality, SSD parts quality, build quality, etc, accurately then I am not aware that you can find "better specs at lower prices". You also get free OS updates and compatibility with all your other Mac/iOS stuff.

I am not challenging you, I am simply interested to know the precise details if this is actually true.

The biggest issue with Apple is they tend to release on their normal time table. They like to introduce Pros in the Summer around WWDC.

The issue is that doesn't always lineup with when intel drops new chips. Some years that doesn't matter as much as it's a modest bump. Other years like currently it's a drastic upgrade for u series chips between 7th and 8th gen.

MS has the same problem with the Surface btw. Neither company is as fast and fluid with new models. So there is always this weird gap where it's like wtf do you do.

You'd be crazy to spend 1k+ currently on a 7th gen Intel chip in an 8th gen world. That also boxes you out of arguably the best devices around from both companies.

For now it's kinda get a Dell XPS or uhh wait?

PS: MS is even stupider as they just shitted out their LTE Surface Pro like a year after the fact.
 

jts

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I've owned an Express (1st gen) and an Extreme with the latest design, not sure about gen.

Sensational routers but had their struggles with overheating issues. Especially the Express. Had one replaced and the second sometimes would suffer too IIRC. Not entirely sure about that second one because by that time, I started to drop it.
 

Klotera

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Not a thread I thought I'd find myself posting in, but I picked up a 12" MacBook a couple weeks back and thought I'd share my thoughts. I have a custom built Windows PC, so this will be a secondary PC for me. I really just wanted to get a feel for OSX and see what the experience was like, while also having a decent laptop to carry around with me. I picked up the m3/256GB model on sale at Best Buy. When the Pros went on sale, I could have had a Pro for only $50 more, but that was for only 128GB storage, which seemed a bit tight. Since I already have a powerful PC and am already way above the price I would normally have spent on a laptop, I went with this. Hopefully the m3 performance will hold up for at least a couple years.

I am very impressed with the build quality. It's unbelievably thin, but yet feels solid. I was concerned about the feel of the keyboard based on reports, but the tactile feedback is actually pretty good. I was very surprised by how good the speakers sounded, too. The screen looks great, though I didn't know what to expect with scaling. While the resolution itself is high, its default scaling acts like a 1280x800 screen, which is a bit tight. I've changed the scaling to what I'm told is the equivalent to a 900p resolution, which seems good. Some text is small, but it's more usable. The trackpad is godlike compared to any trackpad I've ever used on a windows PC. However, I still struggle from time to time with the two-finger right-click equivalent.

As far as the experience itself, OSX is definitely a different beast for a lifelong windows user (and I'm talking since Windows 3.1 lifelong). I'm starting to get a hang of it. Keyboard shortcuts are definitely helping, but my muscle memory sometimes keeps trying to use Windows keyboard shortcuts. It gets real interesting when I remote desktop to my Windows PC. I'm also not used to how Apple tries to simplify things for average users. I had to look up how to make Finder show the user's root folder (not just downloads/recents/etc) and also show the full path I was navigated to.

I'm going to play with doing a little light development on this. Since my main thing is Salesforce development, I really don't need a lot of power. That's why the effective resolution of the screen was a big deal to me, though, as I'll be jumping between windows. I'm getting a feel for the multiple desktops which helps. Obviously, if it was going to be my main development PC, I wouldn't go with a 12" MacBook, but it would be nice to use it as a side device for my own development self-study.

I'm also still debating on whether to install Windows with Bootcamp. Would be very convenient to have a Windows install available, but not sure if I'll be splitting my storage too much between the two OSs.
 

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I'm also still debating on whether to install Windows with Bootcamp. Would be very convenient to have a Windows install available, but not sure if I'll be splitting my storage too much between the two OSs.

Welcome to the Mac family!

I'd really only recommend going the Boot Camp route if you not only need to run Windows, but with native performance (games, 3D or visual effects work, compiling large apps, that sort of thing). A virtual machine is more than fine and more convenient if you just need the occasional Windows app, or to test something on Windows/in IE, etc. But unless there's something you just absolutely can't do well on macOS, I'd probably avoid bothering with Windows at all, especially if you only have a 256GB drive.
 

MrKlaw

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Quick question. If I have iCloud Photo Library turned on, what's the easiest way to get an offline backup of my photos onto disk?

Download iCloud for windows or OS X. Sign in with your appleID and it'll download any new photos you take on your phone. If you go into options there is the choice to download past photos by year.
It also sets up two folders - one for the downloaded photos, and another upload folder so you can drag and drop photos into it and they'll be uploaded onto iCloud and appear on your phone. I do this for photos taken on my normal camera.
 

Androidsleeps

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So what's the consensus on the new MacBook Pro? I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2012 model, but it seems many people are complaining about the huge touchpad and keyboard. The lack of USB ports sucks too..
 

MrKlaw

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So what's the consensus on the new MacBook Pro? I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2012 model, but it seems many people are complaining about the huge touchpad and keyboard. The lack of USB ports sucks too..

Dongles everywhere in our office since the new ones came out. Pretty much everyone has a dock/dongle thing that gives back proper USB ports, Ethernet etc. It's dumb but workable when you're at a desk.

Definitely wait to see if they put 8th gen cpus in after wwdc though
 

eyeball_kid

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So what's the consensus on the new MacBook Pro? I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2012 model, but it seems many people are complaining about the huge touchpad and keyboard. The lack of USB ports sucks too..

The ports aren't a huge problem unless you're using it in a lot of mobile locations (it's just expensive buying all those USB-C dongles and adapters), but the unreliability of the keyboard makes it hard for me to recommend the current Macbook Pro to anyone.
 

pksu

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So what's the consensus on the new MacBook Pro? I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2012 model, but it seems many people are complaining about the huge touchpad and keyboard. The lack of USB ports sucks too..
I recommend trying out the keyboard somewhere before buying. At work there have been surprisingly many KB failures due to dust etc. Personally I'd avoid new models until they change the mechanism to be more reliable (https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/09/apple-filed-a-patent-for-a-keyboard-that-isn-t-ruined-by-dust/)

Of course the modern keyboard is working well for many since there are no lawsuits AFAIK but it's still the kind of design flaw I wouldn't want to have in my day-to-day machine. Thus I'm sticking with my old maxed out 2013 MBP 15" with staingate-display for now *sigh*
 

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Thanks. I guess some people just try and justify their purchases by saying that. I certainly prefer the look of the SS but don't really want the extra weight, although considering 38mm is my flavour, it's pretty much a non-issue anyway.

I also don't like the way you can't buy the SS version without cellular capabilities. I don't need the feature, yet it must eat some of the battery unnecessarily.

Nah, my cellular Apple Watch battery is impeccable. When you're connected to the phone or on WiFi the cellular chip isn't doing a single thing.

What you do get with the cellular model even if you never activate it is 16gb of storage instead of 8gb. I have essentially an iPod Nano attached to my wrist now, super useful for when I'm working out.