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shancake

Managing Editor ‑ Press Start
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Oct 25, 2017
485
Man it's been annoying me since I started reviewing a few weeks ago. I've got a Samsung MU8000 (successor to KS8000) and settings are as per RTings but this HDR setup is way different to all the others.

I assumed brightness had to be lower to reveal more detail and contrast should be higher to make it brighter. Was working with about B40/C60.
 

Hellshy

Member
Nov 5, 2017
1,170
Im using the new dell ultrasharp professional series 27inch and it looked so good with defualt settings that im scared to mess with it . It does seem to use somthing called smart hdr and that auto set to vivid.

Game looks good but at times looks incredible.
 

CloseTalker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
30,570
I'm on an Lg B6, got brightness 60 and contrast 40. looks awesome. The three pictures were super helpful, was able to make the snow scene pop without crushing the blacks in the dark cave setting. Considering how uneven HDR implementation in games can be, I hope every game offers similar options.
 
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MazeHaze

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Nov 1, 2017
8,577
I didn't notice any symbol....
Look again lol
Some in interiors (not all) with HDR looks straight up bad... like there's a veil of brightness constantly there i don't know why that is, god of war is the only game where it does that!

With HDR

jXjp5qM.jpg


Without HDR

fhDxEl7.jpg


I tried tons of different setting, both on my TV and the game, and this "veil" is still there!

it's a shame cause when you're outside it looks absolutely stunning with the HDR option!

Looks like your black levels are mismatched. Make sure your TV is set to low and your PS4 is set to limited in HDR game
 
OP
OP
Oct 27, 2017
1,583
Really wish they would have easier calibration settings. You can get the symbols to be semi visible on a number of different brightness/contrast settings, at least on my TV...

I settled on 30 brightness/75 contrast.
 

MazeHaze

Member
Nov 1, 2017
8,577
already the case, again, it's only doing it on god of war, and only in some interiors! For exemple in kratos's house the black was perfect and it didn't had this weird brightness veil

Weird I don't have that problem at all. My game looks like your second picture, with super bright peak highlights of course.
 
Oct 27, 2017
288
I'm on an Lg B6, got brightness 60 and contrast 40. looks awesome. The three pictures were super helpful, was able to make the snow scene pop without crushing the blacks in the dark cave setting. Considering how uneven HDR implementation in games can be, I hope every game offers similar options.
Are you using hdr game or hdr standard? And do you happen to know what firmware you're on? I have a B6 and I'm on 4.31.2
 

CloseTalker

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Oct 25, 2017
30,570
Are you using hdr game or hdr standard? And do you happen to know what firmware you're on? I have a B6 and I'm on 4.31.2
I'm on HDR Game, which is why I have the brightness higher than most people seem to (HDR Game on the B6 is quite dim). To be fair, I also like a quite vibrant picture, probably slightly past the point of what most would consider "natural colors".

Not sure my firmware, but it's the most recent one. I wasn't able to dodge the bullet of hdr game mode getting screwed, so I just left auto update on in hopes they'll improve it. Honestly though, with games like this, far cry 5, and gears of war 4 allowing me to tweak HDR brightness, it's been totally fine for me.
 

guitarguy316

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Nov 3, 2017
1,477
I'm on HDR Game, which is why I have the brightness higher than most people seem to (HDR Game on the B6 is quite dim). To be fair, I also like a quite vibrant picture, probably slightly past the point of what most would consider "natural colors".

Not sure my firmware, but it's the most recent one. I wasn't able to dodge the bullet of hdr game mode getting screwed, so I just left auto update on in hopes they'll improve it. Honestly though, with games like this, far cry 5, and gears of war 4 allowing me to tweak HDR brightness, it's been totally fine for me.

Dynamic contrast on?
 
Oct 27, 2017
288
I'm on HDR Game, which is why I have the brightness higher than most people seem to (HDR Game on the B6 is quite dim). To be fair, I also like a quite vibrant picture, probably slightly past the point of what most would consider "natural colors".

Not sure my firmware, but it's the most recent one. I wasn't able to dodge the bullet of hdr game mode getting screwed, so I just left auto update on in hopes they'll improve it. Honestly though, with games like this, far cry 5, and gears of war 4 allowing me to tweak HDR brightness, it's been totally fine for me.
I shut off auto update for the hdr reason. I thought Horizon looked great but i did significantly bump up the in game brightness in that one. I'm on hdr game as well and just started playing with the in game adjustments. I hope more games offer this adjustment. I'll post back with what my set settles on tonight.
 

Gifted

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
1,359
Game settings at default, TV picture settings from RTings. Sony A1E. Looks phenomenal, a couple areas the highlights hurt my eyes for a few seconds.
 

s3ltz3r

Banned
Nov 12, 2017
1,149
I know the game just came out and there's many threads about it, but I'm wondering what people have their HDR settings as.

Can't get it to look right, default settings looks like playing with HDR off.

I have brightness at 25, contrast at 75. Feels like I'm losing detail in dark spots.

Playing on a Sony 900e also.

I have the same TV....

35 brightness, 72 contrast...among other things. I don't use the Game mode, I stay with Cinema Pro. The game looks fantastic. Best looking console game of this gen so far.
 

The_Land

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,390
Cleveland Ohio
I have the same TV....

35 brightness, 72 contrast...among other things. I don't use the Game mode, I stay with Cinema Pro. The game looks fantastic. Best looking console game of this gen so far.
Yup it seems like anything over 40 brightness you lose all the colors in the orange sky in the middle picture. I have the same TV but have my brightness at 30. We most likely have different TV settings though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,496
North Carolina
TCL P607
TV Brightness: Darker
Picture mode: Dark HDR*
Local Contrast: High
Backlight: 100
Brightness: 50
Game Mode: on
Temp: Warm

GoW
100 Brightness
45 Contrast

No crushed blacks, no lost of detail whites. All three symbols barely visible. PERFECTION! \o/
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,391
So I decided to match the in game settings with my TV and I really like it so far.

Brightness 50
Contrast 100

The blacks do crush in the first picture, and I lose the symbol, but when playing it looks amazing and doesn't crush as much as the picture.

This takes advantage of the OLED perfect blacks, and keeps the highlight detail while still having them be bright
 

Zing

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,771
I know the game just came out and there's many threads about it, but I'm wondering what people have their HDR settings as.

Can't get it to look right, default settings looks like playing with HDR off.

I have brightness at 25, contrast at 75. Feels like I'm losing detail in dark spots.

Playing on a Sony 900e also.
I am playing on a 900e. I use the TV's default game mode settings and default settings in the game. I tinkered with the game settings, but default looks best. The HDR looks stunning on this, and it looks exactly how it should. If it truly looks like SDR to you, then you have done something wrong.

In particular, SDR mode has very aggressive dynamic contrast to simulate the dynamic ranges presented by the game. HDR simply shows the full range at almost all times (I did notice slight dynamic contrast adjustments in certain areas).

Reset your TV video settings to default. Set the game to 50/50. Enjoy.
 

Spartancarver

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Oct 27, 2017
3,453
I kept the in game sliders at default, just used my usual TV settings for HDR games (B6 OLED). Looks good to me.

I do wish the calibration picture for the in-game settings was a little more useful. I guess the goal is to be able to see the symbol in all 3 panes?
 

Pharaoh

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Oct 27, 2017
2,675
I don't know, both settings on default looks good on my B7. I'll just mess around with it a little to see if it gets any better.
 

Smokey

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Oct 25, 2017
4,175
I use 55 Brightness and 45 contrast in HDR Game Mode on a B6 OLED.

Looks great to me.
 

CloseTalker

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Oct 25, 2017
30,570
I kept the in game sliders at default, just used my usual TV settings for HDR games (B6 OLED). Looks good to me.

I do wish the calibration picture for the in-game settings was a little more useful. I guess the goal is to be able to see the symbol in all 3 panes?
I find the symbol thing in games to be largely useless, it's not suitable as a catch-all test. That's why I was happy they put the symbols on three distinct pictures. I just disregarded the symbols, and tweaked until those three pics suited my tastes.

Everyone has different tastes for how they want a game to look, so if you're happy then great!
 

Zeenbor

Developer at Run Games
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
74
I have full brightness with all the TV filter modes enabled on my Sony OLED.

Game looks best under 100 brightness and 0 contrast, oddly enough!
 

J_ToSaveTheDay

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
18,789
USA
LG OLED B7A 65in.

TV settings -- from the top of my head, writing this post at work so I'm not able to look at my settings direct, will edit post if I find any significant differences when I get home in the morning:

HDR Game Mode
OLED Light - 100
Contrast - 100
Brightness - 50
Color - 50
Sharpness - 10
Color Temperature - W45
Dynamic Contrast - Medium
Wide Color Gamut (subjective preference only, "Auto" is usually suggested in most calibration but I tend to prefer just slightly more exaggerated, vivid and vibrant color)
Note: TV settings are based on a mixture of the calibration settings suggested by Rtings and Digital Foundry's slightly older B6 calibration video. This is the first TV I've owned in over a decade and I just got it a month ago, so I'm absolutely no expert at TV calibration.

Game settings:
Brightness - 60
Contrast - 40

Looked just a tad too dark on the default game settings of 50/50 to me, these slightly offset settings seem to do the trick quite nicely in bringing out a bit more minor detail in bright and dark sections of the screen.

When it comes to the Color Temp setting on the TV in particular, I used to subjectively go with W30 to cool the image out just a smidge and help bright parts of the picture a bit, and I'm still undecided which I like more -- skin tones look much more realistic to me at 45, but the general picture feels slightly more bright while remaining at the same overall level of detail at 30 to me. I have yet to check out how 30 looks in God of War, but considering that the default settings in-game felt just a bit too dark, I'm wondering if cooling the image might help bring out that tiny bit of brightness I feel is lacking at the default.
 
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Deto

Banned
Feb 13, 2018
117
Sony 900E:




Game (Game Mode, aiming to maximize responsiveness and dynamic resolution while maintaining maximum accuracy):
Image mode: Game
Brightness: 30 (Max in HDR)
Color: 56
Light sensor: Off

Advanced Settings:
Brightness: 30
Contrast: 93
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black setting: No
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: No
Dimming Local Automatic HIGH
X-tended Dynamic Range: No (High On HDR)

Color:
Color: 56
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Advanced 2
Live Color: No

Advanced Color Temperature:
Gain R: -2
G gain: Max
Gain B: -5
Polarization R: 0
Polarization G: -5
Polarization B: 5

Multipoint (10p):
(R, G, B)
1: -1, -3, -7
2: 0.0,0
3: 0.0,0
4: -2, -3, -1
5: -2, -1, -1
6: -1, -1.0
7: -2, -1, -1
8: -1.0.0
9: -4.0, -1
10: 0.0, -3

Clarity:
Sharpness: 50
Reality Creation: No
Soft Gradation: Low

Motion:
Motionflow: Personal (Not in HDR)
Sharpness: Max

Video Options
HDR Mode: Auto
HDMI video range: Auto
Color space: Auto
 

JudgmentJay

Member
Nov 14, 2017
5,216
Texas
I have a calibrated LG OLED and the game looks best at the default settings. Which of course makes sense since I'm sure they used calibrated displays when creating the game.
 

Spartancarver

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Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,453
Some in interiors (not all) with HDR looks straight up bad... like there's a veil of brightness constantly there i don't know why that is, god of war is the only game where it does that!

With HDR

jXjp5qM.jpg


Without HDR

fhDxEl7.jpg


I tried tons of different setting, both on my TV and the game, and this "veil" is still there!

it's a shame cause when you're outside it looks absolutely stunning with the HDR option!


Hm. I do actually have this same issue, I just thought it was something wonky with the ambient lighting information in that particular area since there are plenty of dark areas that display correctly.

I'll have to take a look at my settings again
 

Deleted member 17289

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Oct 27, 2017
3,163
In game contrast setting actually makes image darker the higher you go, that makes no sense, or does it?

GOW In game settings.

Brightness = 60
Contrast = 40

This game is a mixed bag with HDR, some parts look beautiful, some indoor sections looks all washed out, like you have a layer on top of the image, SDR looks perfectly fine though.
 

SK4TE

Banned
Nov 26, 2017
3,977
Sony 900E:




Game (Game Mode, aiming to maximize responsiveness and dynamic resolution while maintaining maximum accuracy):
Image mode: Game
Brightness: 30 (Max in HDR)
Color: 56
Light sensor: Off

Advanced Settings:
Brightness: 30
Contrast: 93
Gamma: 0
Black Level: 50
Black setting: No
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: No
Dimming Local Automatic HIGH
X-tended Dynamic Range: No (High On HDR)

Color:
Color: 56
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Advanced 2
Live Color: No

Advanced Color Temperature:
Gain R: -2
G gain: Max
Gain B: -5
Polarization R: 0
Polarization G: -5
Polarization B: 5

Multipoint (10p):
(R, G, B)
1: -1, -3, -7
2: 0.0,0
3: 0.0,0
4: -2, -3, -1
5: -2, -1, -1
6: -1, -1.0
7: -2, -1, -1
8: -1.0.0
9: -4.0, -1
10: 0.0, -3

Clarity:
Sharpness: 50
Reality Creation: No
Soft Gradation: Low

Motion:
Motionflow: Personal (Not in HDR)
Sharpness: Max

Video Options
HDR Mode: Auto
HDMI video range: Auto
Color space: Auto
I take it you Expert 2 for colour? That's one way to get yellow snow.
 

MarcyPoos

Member
Oct 25, 2017
919
KS9000 in-game brightness for me is 18. Higher begins to lose detail in clouds. You guys should really have another look at it. I think my contrast is around 47 but can't remember exactly.

I'm seeing a lot of off settings here.
 

Arkage

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Banned
Oct 27, 2017
453
Using default on an E6. Found the settings pretty unhelpful to begin with, but the clouds seemed best detailed at default brightness. Lost detail if I went brighter. And contrast just changes the intensity of the color, which I think the HDR settings take care of on their own.
 

MazeHaze

Member
Nov 1, 2017
8,577
I take it you Expert 2 for colour? That's one way to get yellow snow.
Warm color settings only look yellow if you're used to cool or neutral, which are tinted blue. Get used to a warm setting for a couple days, and you'll think the neutral and cool settings look like blue snow.

Skin tones are the main thing that's easy to see no matter what though. They look weird and slimey on cool color temps, but look realistic on warmer ones.
 

Supoman

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,056
Some in interiors (not all) with HDR looks straight up bad... like there's a veil of brightness constantly there i don't know why that is, god of war is the only game where it does that!

With HDR

jXjp5qM.jpg


Without HDR

fhDxEl7.jpg


I tried tons of different setting, both on my TV and the game, and this "veil" is still there!

it's a shame cause when you're outside it looks absolutely stunning with the HDR option!

I have the EXACT same problem on my KS8000(9000). I tried many different things and cannot get rid of this washed out look in this game on HDR. Raising the contrast slider in HDR settings in the game helps a bit though but doesn't remove the washed out look completely. And does anyone why the game says raising this contrast value will make the game brighter but on the contrary raising it makes it darker? I'm confused about this.
 

MrConbon210

Member
Oct 31, 2017
7,647
Does anyone here have a TCL S405? What are your tv settings and HDR settings? Can never figure out how to get the look completely perfect.
 

Fatal

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
586
I have the EXACT same problem on my KS8000(9000). I tried many different things and cannot get rid of this washed out look in this game on HDR. Raising the contrast slider in HDR settings in the game helps a bit though but doesn't remove the washed out look completely. And does anyone why the game says raising this contrast value will make the game brighter but on the contrary raising it makes it darker? I'm confused about this.

Because HDR on anything but top of the top lcd with hundreds of dimming zones is a scam. You can't have 100% backlight without contaminating the image. The light just shines through the panel destroying accuracy of colours and dark scenes which cannot block out the intense light. Even sets like the every grand Sony 900e does not have enough dimming zones to manage this, of which I own the 75". It's just another marketing gimmick like 3D was to continue selling sets to consumers. The theory is there, the consumer grade tech is not up to it. Cannot speak for OLED.
 
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henhowc

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Oct 26, 2017
33,460
Los Angeles, CA
lol at some people not realizing that there is an omega symbol in the image help you with the calibration. i guess they should have mentioned it in the text
 

MarcyPoos

Member
Oct 25, 2017
919
I have the EXACT same problem on my KS8000(9000). I tried many different things and cannot get rid of this washed out look in this game on HDR. Raising the contrast slider in HDR settings in the game helps a bit though but doesn't remove the washed out look completely. And does anyone why the game says raising this contrast value will make the game brighter but on the contrary raising it makes it darker? I'm confused about this.

Try these settings and see how it looks. You will never be able to eliminate the washed out look completely but these are the settings I'm running with.

TV:
Backlight: 20
Brightness: 45
Contrast: 100
Sharpness: 15
Colour: 50
Tint: 50/50
Smart LED: High
HDMI Colour: Inputs should be set to ON
Dynamic Contrast: High
Colour Tone: Warm2
Gamma: 0
Colour Space: Auto

PS4:
Settings -> Sound and Screen -> Video Output: Set the first 4 to Automatic

God of War:
Enable HDR: On
Brightness: 18
Contrast: 50

Try that and let me know how you go.
 

J-Wood

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,749
OP, I also have the 900e. But have a very different experience from you.

Have you tried using the default in game HDR settings, but switching HDR on and off and looking at the sky? It is most definitely NOT the same for me. In fact, there is a huge difference.

For the TV settings I'm using the rtings setup, but in game I used default.
 

ss_lemonade

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,648
Some in interiors (not all) with HDR looks straight up bad... like there's a veil of brightness constantly there i don't know why that is, god of war is the only game where it does that!

With HDR

jXjp5qM.jpg


Without HDR

fhDxEl7.jpg


I tried tons of different setting, both on my TV and the game, and this "veil" is still there!

it's a shame cause when you're outside it looks absolutely stunning with the HDR option!
PS4 Pro or standard? I noticed the same thing too by the way.

KS9000 in-game brightness for me is 18. Higher begins to lose detail in clouds. You guys should really have another look at it. I think my contrast is around 47 but can't remember exactly.

I'm seeing a lot of off settings here.
Could that just be the Smart LED option blowing out some whites? I see the same problem with my ks9000 and my PC's desktop with certain icons (though obviously a different scenario since this my desktop would be SDR content)

lol at some people not realizing that there is an omega symbol in the image help you with the calibration. i guess they should have mentioned it in the text
I'm one of them. If you have an LCD with not-so-good viewing angles and you sit off center, then you too can miss the symbols.
 
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Hey Please

Avenger
Oct 31, 2017
22,824
Not America
As a Sony X900E owner since last year, this thread just blew my mind. I play in a fairly dark room and never had I exceeded 8 (6 most of the time, RT writes "4" as sweet spot) on backlight for either SDR or HDR. Now some of you are recommending "Max" !? Are you folks playing in a well let room?

Also do you carry over these settings over to Netflix when watching HDR content?