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Southwest passenger injured midflight by engine shrapnel, partially sucked out of plane [UP: 1 dead]
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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Everyone picking aisles in the front... you're far more likely to survive a plane crash in the back of the aircraft
Sorry guys, aisle seats in the middle third of the plane has shown to have the highest fatality rate....middle seats in the back of the plane the lowest.
That's for all you statistical nerds in the thread!
(Time.com recently went through the FAA statistics over the last 35 years of aviation flights)
And those picking aisle seats in the middle! (as explained above)
If you really want to play the statistical averages game...sit in the back in middle seats
RIP at the deceased. Glad the plane landed safely. Also mildly annoyed at the par-for-the-course "omg never flying again" or "well, statistically it is still the safest vehicular transport *sips wine*". Yes, planes are incredibly safe, but humans are not rational beings in their fears. And on the other hand you don't need to have a hysterical attack everytime you read something on the internet.
This is so sad. R.I.P.
This could have been any one of us. :/
Doesn't matter how quick you think your reflexes are.... or how aware of your surroundings you think you are.... etc.
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Apparently one of the passengers leaned up against the hole in an effort to help with the decompression. People are incredible.
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A witness said that one of the passengers had placed his lower back up against the opening in the plane, in an apparent effort to help with the compression https://nyti.ms/2HatBVM
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A witness said that one of the passengers had placed his lower back up against the opening in the plane, in an apparent effort to help with the compression https://nyti.ms/2HatBVM
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If these planes are designed to fly/land with only one engine and depressurized, why was everyone wailing/ screaming and convinced they were going to die? Does the plane fly more erratically when depressurized? Was it just the visual/sound of the blown out window, O2 masks and apparently blood?
Yeah. I tend to think people don't always act "rationally" when part of the vehicle they are in literally explodes. It's easy to say you'd be calm from an outside perspective, sort of like people who say things like "I'd definitely be able to disarm a man with a gun trying to rob a store I was in."
Yes, but because she sat there, another pregnant lady didn't sit there. And that baby? Well, that baby grew up to be none other than Anakin Skywalker.
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You're asking why an engine explosion that shot debris into the cabin, blowing out the window, blood going everywhere and a lady being killed with half of her body being sucked out the hole while oxygen masks are deployed caused average people to panic?
As weird as it is to say, this is one of my "favorite" air plane accidents. A really extraordinary event, and miraculously only one person was killed, a flight attendant who was sucked out when the fuselage tore open. I recommend watching the Air Crash Investigation episode on this.
Tramatic experience plus conditioning from movies. In the end we are just hairless apes with adrenaline coursing through our viens.
Indeed. The flight that landed in NO recently during severe weather.. now that's some scary shit. I've had an aborted landing because a continental jet was sitting across the runway. We were seconds from touching down and then immediately thrust back hard into our seats. The pilot waited forever to let us know he had aborted. I've also had malfunctioning landing gear. At first they wouldn't retract and then on landing they had issues getting them to come back down. "We are fairly certain the landing gear is now down.. waiting on visual confirmation from the tower." Lol
Oh, and hitting a fucking air pocket during landing. The flight attendant doing the last announcements in French was interrupted halfway through. When she finally got back on, you could tell she had been crying. The plane smelled like shit because people had shit themselves. There were several women in the back who kept yelling "Oh sweet Jesus." It made me smile even though I thought we were fucked.
A lot of people don't know it, plus the panic and stress of the moment. You can't blame folks for being scared in a very high stress situation like this.
That this was metal fatigue on a fan blade is both not shocking given the damage (you need a lot of force to be able to do damage like that to an engine), and fairly damning for Southwest's maintenance work. You only fly one type of plane. Not really an excuse for these things not to be caught.
Blown at window, woman sucked out, pulled back in, bleeding from shrapnel, dude using his body to block window, engine exploding. It is probably scary as hell. Not everyone smirks at the sounds of people thinking they are going to die. If only we all had your knowledge and courage.
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This post is weird but the bolded is especially strange. These so called planes hey? I tell you, I'd be shitting myself if that was happening and I like to think I'm composed.
Go ahead and shit yourself. I'm sure I would as well. I was just curious if depressurization causes crazy turbulence/ destabakization which would lead to more panic.
SUPER weird. Stouffers - put yourself in the literal seats of everyone as they feel the air rushing through the cabin and see one of the engines blown up - it's super fucked up and the conditions are absolutely a fair bit worse than if you're flying normally. Also... unless you're directly in one of the seats around that part of the wing, you are going to have zero visibility into how the engine is faring... in your wildest imagination, that shit could be hanging off and you are seconds from plummeting to your death.
I probably should have bolded my question. I get the wind and the noise, but does the plane "fly" any differently when depressurized?
Metal fatigue is scary. I hope that they do a better job of inspecting these items in the future. We've investigated failures of structures at work, and weld failure/fatigue is one of the most common issues.
I wonder if there's something that airlines could include on the plane to secure over a shattered window to help the depressurization that occurred. A plate or some material larger than the window with large bar braces to deal with the pressure differential.
I respect this, but you can't let these freak occurrences ruin the opportunity to experience the world. We traveled to Europe despite some of the terrorist issues last year, flew to Hawaii a few years ago (going again next year), flying to Japan in October...I mean, yes. Things CAN happen. But life is what it is.
I wonder if there's something that airlines could include on the plane to secure over a shattered window to help the depressurization that occurred. A plate or some material larger than the window with large bar braces to deal with the pressure differential.
I respect this, but you can't let these freak occurrences ruin the opportunity to experience the world. We traveled to Europe despite some of the terrorist issues last year, flew to Hawaii a few years ago (going again next year), flying to Japan in October...I mean, yes. Things CAN happen. But life is what it is.
You're seriously asking why people freaked out when an engine exploded and killed one of the passengers and caused plane depressurization, something none of them have probably dealt with?
I don't believe so. From my understanding, it's purely a comfort thing. At least that's how I understand it from talking with my pilot buddy.
Nah, flight control comes from the wings/control surfaces, so that isn't going to be effected. However the initial decent would be scary. When the aircraft depressurizes, the pilots have to get down to around 10,000 asap. It really doesn't take big maneuvers to feel positive/negative G, so passengers might feel something.
From the link above it seems like she was hit from debris. I had thought that the woman who was hit by debris, and the woman partially sucked through the window, were different individuals. I still don't know if they're one and the same.
So for a fan blade to fracture, go through the titanium engine shroud, and then through two layers of window and strike the woman, all in a 500mph slip stream of air, is just a hyper freaky unfortunate accident.
In terms of other passengers, you'd have an immediate pop of depressurization, it's not a "air sucking out" thing like you see in movies. Masks deploy. So you've got a bang, some loud noise, people freaking out, masks dropping, relatively scary.
The plane made a pretty rapid descent, going from 30,000 to 10,000 in about 5 minutes. This is normally a 20-30 minute process for comfort.
That said, if the captain has it under control and has an engine, you're pretty good. But everyone in my family is pilots and I fly all the time, so I would like to think I'd stay calm here.
Now - if I had been on the US Airways flight Sully landed in the Hudson? That shit was freak me out
And honestly, the Southwest Flight that flew into the thunderstorm in New Orleans is something that would scare me more than losing an engine.
In terms of other passengers, you'd have an immediate pop of depressurization, it's not a "air sucking out" thing like you see in movies. Masks deploy. So you've got a bang, some loud noise, people freaking out, masks dropping, relatively scary.
The plane made a pretty rapid descent, going from 30,000 to 10,000 in about 5 minutes. This is normally a 20-30 minute process for comfort.
That said, if the captain has it under control and has an engine, you're pretty good. But everyone in my family is pilots and I fly all the time, so I would like to think I'd stay calm here.
Now - if I had been on the US Airways flight Sully landed in the Hudson? That shit was freak me out
And honestly, the Southwest Flight that flew into the thunderstorm in New Orleans is something that would scare me more than losing an engine.
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Roosterteeth Anniversary.
Anyway, I had a good run. I hope Avengers is good. PEACE
Did we ever find out if the deceased was the same person that had a heart attack? or was that a separate individual on the aircraft?
And yet the 60 minutes interview pretty much sums up what I feared most. When you flying with Delta to a small airport you are not actually flying with Delta, it's more of a managing company and they have a totally different set of requirements and regulations. That FAA directory was totally oblivious and i have 0 faith they are enforcing any regulations on planes. July I'm traveling to Toronto on "Air Canada", but its actually run by some third-rate Gorgain air and when you google that company the first thing that comes up is a report slamming them for shoddy maintenance flying on a 30 year old fucking frame
I think SW is more liable. They are kind of known for working their planes pretty hard.
I think the shrapnel actually pierced the window and hit her, and the window broke apart soon after from the pressure force.
Not everyone is an aviation expert (I am). Honor and shame are...
Anyway shrapnel from uncontained engine failure can doom a flight if it strikes a fuel take or hydraulic lines. I doubt anyone knew the extent of the damage and until you're on the ground, you're in metal tube full of fuel traveling hundreds of miles an hour with zero control on whether you live or die. I imagine it would be pretty traumatic. Even suddenly severe clear air turbulence I experienced on a flight (which a flight attendant told me was the worst she had every encountered in 17 years of flying) had people screaming and crying on a flight I was on