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Hearthstone |OT1| New Era, Same Meta
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Yup, is a nice medicine for it, and IMO way funnier than just vomit taunt after taunt, I just wish warrir had another good 1 drop other than town crier
I'm really liking Tempo Rogue. I cut the Marsh Drakes because they were kinda clunky sometimes and teched in two Fan of Knives to deal with all these annoying Odd Paladins. I'm still undecided about Mad Hatter, it is amazing in some matchups like Shudder Shaman, since they almost never have a board; but it's a total dead card against the aforementioned Odd Pallys. Hench-Clan Thug is total MVP though. That card is a win condition all by itself.
Hatter is meme-tier. Play Shroomancer if you want that kind of effect.
All the Shudderwock talk is only really highlighting the fact that LOTS of hearthstone animations are SLOW AS FUCK FOR NO DAMN REASON. The game in general has needed animation speed ups for years in lots of situations. This is just the latest and most extreme incarnation of that nonsense. Ever since Archmage Antonidas OTKs have existed this game has had this problem with Animation time and turn timers.
Too many weak cards. Plus you cut both to my sides for highmanes.
I'd cut piper, run a second wing blast, cut arfus, probably dire frenzy (I don't see anything particularly strong going on there), exploding bloatbat, add second flanking strike, cut lifedrinker.
I haven't tried building this deck myself but I'd start there at least.
Fungalmancer? I don't think hatter is meme-tier, it's like a 4 mana bonemare when you have 1 target on board.
Oh! I like this. I will try this out tonight. As for shudderwock, I played one game before I went to bed last night because I got all the cards from my packs. I really think that they just need to fix the animations. The winrate for that decks is not even breaking even.
This deck is terrible but putting 0 mana 10/10 minions with charge into your deck is fun.
### Custom Druid
# Class: Druid
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 1x (1) Jungle Giants
# 1x (1) Stonetusk Boar
# 2x (2) Baleful Banker
# 2x (2) Tortollan Forager
# 2x (2) Wild Growth
# 2x (2) Wrath
# 2x (3) Druid of the Scythe
# 2x (3) Elder Longneck
# 2x (3) Greedy Sprite
# 2x (3) Marsh Drake
# 2x (3) Witching Hour
# 2x (4) Shellshifter
# 2x (4) Swipe
# 1x (5) Duskfallen Aviana
# 1x (7) Malfurion the Pestilent
# 1x (8) Splintergraft
# 1x (10) Tyrantus
# 2x (10) Ultimate Infestation
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
### Custom Druid
# Class: Druid
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
#
# 1x (1) Jungle Giants
# 1x (1) Stonetusk Boar
# 2x (2) Baleful Banker
# 2x (2) Tortollan Forager
# 2x (2) Wild Growth
# 2x (2) Wrath
# 2x (3) Druid of the Scythe
# 2x (3) Elder Longneck
# 2x (3) Greedy Sprite
# 2x (3) Marsh Drake
# 2x (3) Witching Hour
# 2x (4) Shellshifter
# 2x (4) Swipe
# 1x (5) Duskfallen Aviana
# 1x (7) Malfurion the Pestilent
# 1x (8) Splintergraft
# 1x (10) Tyrantus
# 2x (10) Ultimate Infestation
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
I think you can fix Shudderwock in a few ways:
1) Limit his battlecries.
2) Have Saronite Chain Gang and Doppleganger text changed so Shudderwock summons them instead of himself.
3) Change lifedrinker to any target so Shudderwock RNG prevents the OTK.
1) Limit his battlecries.
2) Have Saronite Chain Gang and Doppleganger text changed so Shudderwock summons them instead of himself.
3) Change lifedrinker to any target so Shudderwock RNG prevents the OTK.
How are you killing your cubes?
This x1000!
That's why I run Umbra, but I also run that 3 mana 4/5 that summons a poisonous creature for the enemy, if I'm desperate, worried about a silence. I'm sure there are better cards, and that's part of the reason I haven't posted a list. It's still a work in progress, but so far it has performed better than expected.
I'm pretty sure shudderwock isn't even a top deck, so talking about nerfing it before it even gets there is pretty silly. 24 hours in the expansion so far. It's premature.
The thing I like about it over Fungalmancer is you don't lose half the buffs when you have only one minion on board. And the fact that it is 4 mana is really nice in a deck that runs no 2 drops, allowing you to play on curve and really snowball your way to a win.
But I think it will ultimately end up being a meta call inclusion. It certainly doesn't feel as core to the deck as Thug and Blink Fox already do.
I'll consider the vicious fledgling change though those have definitely won me games around rank 10 and it breaks my heart to lose them, PLUS they enable the 5-damage kill commands.
Does Archerus Veteran really give more damage consistently than Elven Archer? Elven Archer lets you kill small taunts or divine shields or go face no matter what, while Archerus Veteran depends on you having another character on the board and no enemy taunts, or else you have no guaranteed impact.
Leeroy might work and I do have him, but I feel most games the opponent has taunts by turn 5+ so he'd never be able to hit face. I might still give it a shot.
The one thing I'm VERY doubtful about is cutting blackwald pixie. I initially though I might take it out, but that wins me maybe 60-70% of the games I do win because of the 6-damage combo that ignores taunts when people don't expect it. Putting jungle panther means no face impact if there are taunts, secrets, or the opponent has AOE.
If you play odd face hunter in standard, what rank are you seeing success?
I'm fairly sure 90% of the people who are complaining about it think that animations taking literally 10 minutes is a bigger problem than whether the deck is too strong.
Something has to fix the animation thing (which may also affect balance). Something may be done about balance.
I can't help but feel that Tess is kind of a letdown. Maybe its because Shudderwock is so strong? Anyway, she just seems extremely slow, and some of the cards you steal downright suck.
Isn't the benefit of Tess the fact that you can see the opponent's cards?
Nope. The cards are random from the opponent's class, not from the opponent's deck.
Tried the new Tempo Mage with this list:
### Small Spell Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Arcane Missiles
# 2x (1) Breath of Sindragosa
# 2x (1) Mana Wyrm
# 2x (1) Mirror Image
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 2x (2) Sorcerer's Apprentice
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 1x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Explosive Runes
# 2x (3) Kirin Tor Mage
# 2x (4) Fireball
# 2x (4) Vex Crow
# 1x (6) Aluneth
# 1x (7) Archmage Antonidas
# 1x (10) Pyroblast
#
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Went 3:2 with it. I can't say if it's a good deck in the long run but it's more fun than the K&C Tempo Mage, Aluneth + Vex Crow can fill your board really quickly or you can go for a burn plan with Antonidas. The deck is kinda slow though because you can't cheat out secrets that fast anymore. My two losses were against Baku Hunter, that deck is just brutal.
### Small Spell Mage
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
#
# 2x (1) Arcane Missiles
# 2x (1) Breath of Sindragosa
# 2x (1) Mana Wyrm
# 2x (1) Mirror Image
# 2x (2) Arcanologist
# 2x (2) Frostbolt
# 2x (2) Primordial Glyph
# 2x (2) Sorcerer's Apprentice
# 2x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 1x (3) Counterspell
# 2x (3) Explosive Runes
# 2x (3) Kirin Tor Mage
# 2x (4) Fireball
# 2x (4) Vex Crow
# 1x (6) Aluneth
# 1x (7) Archmage Antonidas
# 1x (10) Pyroblast
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Went 3:2 with it. I can't say if it's a good deck in the long run but it's more fun than the K&C Tempo Mage, Aluneth + Vex Crow can fill your board really quickly or you can go for a burn plan with Antonidas. The deck is kinda slow though because you can't cheat out secrets that fast anymore. My two losses were against Baku Hunter, that deck is just brutal.
A variation of it, yes.
Was anyone actually thinking Tess was anything but a meme tier deck? It's just too slow to use, and have all the weakness of Thief/Burgle rogue.
So one of the biggest problems with attempting face hunter is that silver hand recruit paladin is still very common around rank 9 and 10. I can't even think of anything that could really tech against so many 1/1's with divine shield taunts other than MAYBE the crazy cave hydra idea I mentioned.
Is it best just to surrender those games and assume there are enough non-paladin decks to have a chance at ranking up?
Is it best just to surrender those games and assume there are enough non-paladin decks to have a chance at ranking up?
Hm...I totally misread that card then
Thanks!
Would Exploding Traps, Mossy Horror, DK Rexxar's Battlecry, and/or Exploding Bloatbats help?
All of those are even and I'm attempting odd hunter, so probably not. I doubt fact hunter would work without Baku.
I know that some has told me before, but how do you create that long code at the bottom of the list and what are you supposed to do with it?
I'll keep testing another 10 or 20 games with suggested deck variations, but I really suspect that odd face hunter simply cannot work at rank 10 standard. One of the only favored matchups is in theory shaman, but as long as the shaman gets one or two healing rains out by turn 7, they guarantee a win. Especially combined with the shamans I've seen running multiple draw cards, it's quite likely to happen.
If anyone has gotten from 10 down to like 7 in standard, I'd love to hear what you learned.
If anyone has gotten from 10 down to like 7 in standard, I'd love to hear what you learned.
I said it. When you have to spend mana to generate random cards, and play those cards, you better get a good synergystic card to justify it. Tess is not that card.
I've been playing it and I barely even have to hit the hero power. Makes me feel dirty.
I think Tess is that card, it's just that she is WAY better with minion summons and the burgle effects don't give you that consistency to pick. She can be useless and disgusting based on the game.
Yup. Just played a shudderwock shaman who played lightning storm and volcano on turns 3 and 5.
And I was able to reload the board each turn after and win by turn 7.
You guys pooping on Tess better back off. Bow to your queen! Jokes aside, Face Collector has been performing better than Tess. Blink Fox is pretty good. And turn three HCT is amazeballs.
Anyone find positive results with hand druid? I'd like to make it, but the mountain giant pay-off seems weak. Also interested in non-Shudderwok Shaman lists. Maybe Elemental? I want to play Druid, Rogue, Shaman, or Mage this expansion.
Also, I haven't seen a single Countess today. Or Genn for that matter.
Odd Paladin is giving me Justicar flashbacks.
Anyone find positive results with hand druid? I'd like to make it, but the mountain giant pay-off seems weak. Also interested in non-Shudderwok Shaman lists. Maybe Elemental? I want to play Druid, Rogue, Shaman, or Mage this expansion.
Also, I haven't seen a single Countess today. Or Genn for that matter.
Odd Paladin is giving me Justicar flashbacks.
You can copy the code in you clipboard and when you open your collection in Hearthstone you will be asked if you want to crate this deck.
You can generate the list and code when you go to a deck list where you can edit the name and use the copy button.
Agreed. I like the odd/even mechanic too because I'm seeing some cards included in decks that I never expected to see in top tier decks again. When you don't have access to half the cards, you have to put in some cards that haven't been competitive in a while or ever.
For example the odd paladin deck I'm currently running has raid leader and stormwind champion in it.
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^^^ Thanks. That's a neat feature.
I'm not a big fan of Book of Specters card. Mage lives for spells, but let's give her a cards that discards spells... (if drawn, obviously).
I'm not a big fan of Book of Specters card. Mage lives for spells, but let's give her a cards that discards spells... (if drawn, obviously).
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you know the worst part sometimes
when you're between rank 10-20 and people you play against take an hour for their turn
motherfucker you ain't trump or kripp not alot to think about
when you're between rank 10-20 and people you play against take an hour for their turn
motherfucker you ain't trump or kripp not alot to think about
I had a nice win streak by dropping Wispering Woods and then buffing them asap. It's surprising how many decks don't have an answer for it.
Didn't fight a Warlock though, so that's probably why I had a nice little run (Lvl 12 to Lvl 10).
Cube Druid is way stronger though.
It's because Call to Arms is very overpowered.
I'm reading Era or Reddit on the side and don't care that it upsets you.
Odds paladin can't use call to arms though.
Marsh drake and betrayal combo seems really good in rogue.
My only advice with Odd Hunter is to play proactively, hit face and believe in the heart of the cards.
I think Hadronox Druid is turning out to be a legit deck. If that spell let me DISCOVER a beast to resurrect, Hardonix Druid would be easy tier 1.
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