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Tygre

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We're having too many unsafe releases by Ferrari/Ferrari subsidiaries, the FIA obviously need to step in.

I mean I was half joking, but:

FIA launch investigation into unsafe releases
FIA race director Charlie Whiting has said that the governing body will be investigating why there has been a rise in unsafe releases from pit stops.

Ferrari's second unsafe release involving Kimi Raikkonen in Bahrain, which broke the leg of one of the Scuderia's mechanics, has proven to be the tipping point. Ferrari's unsafe releases came after Haas botched pit stops in Australia, while McLaren also had an incident with Fernando Alonso during winter testing.

"It's looking less and less like a coincidence" Whiting told the Formula 1 website, "[with the incident in Bahrain], the guy hadn't even taken the wheel off, which is slightly perplexing."
 

Dan

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I think there's going to be a point where you have to have a minimum of a 5 second pitstop..
 

Moss

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1. Ban any automatic release / light systems.
2. Reduce pit crew to one set (wheel off / gun man / wheel on), per side of car, rather than per corner.
 

Overdoziz

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I don't think there needs to be drastic changes. Just a more reliable way of giving the green light that the driver is ready to go and a way for the pitcrew to signal that something went wrong.
 

Dan

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1. Ban any automatic release / light systems.
2. Reduce pit crew to one set (wheel off / gun man / wheel on), per side of car, rather than per corner.

I would be for this tbh,

Especially the reduction in crew. And make it mandatory that the one set of crew per side of car starts with front tyres first.
 

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You have a dozen people, thousands of lines of code, multiple electronic devices and a superfast car in a tight space, where race narrative dictates you need to execute a perfect set of moves under 3 seconds, and then let said car rush out back on track. It's just disasters waiting to happen. In truth, Formula 1 is still relatively organized, for example in IndyCar the pitlanes are tighter, races have more pit stops, they have refueling, often all cars pit at the same time during cautions, and in fact there's far more issues despite a smaller crew working on the car at any given time. The whole system is wrong, sending fast cars inches away from people and have them act as quick as possible is just a tragedy waiting to happen at any given time.

A decent solution could be having an area which includes the car's stopping zone and another meter or so on each side. The car is categorically unallowed to start again if there is ANYONE in this area. And this has to be handled by standardized sensors by the FIA. Oh, and the most important thing about revisited pitstops: have the rear of the car lifted automatically until the clearing of the abovementioned area is complete. So the driver can put the pedal to the metal, but the car will not move. The downside is that such a system would be prone to software and hardware errors, which doesn't solve the possible issue in which for some reason a car is allowed to go while mechanics are around. Not even a minimum pit stop time (which would be a solid choice, imho) could kill this danger altogether, though.
 

Kubuh

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What I find a bit interesting is that with all this talk of making the pitstops slower, no one is mentioning that it would probably limit the amount of possible strategies. More time lost in the pits could mean that we get even more 1 stop races.
Obviously safety is important but it would be nice if they could find some way of doing it without having to slow down the stops by more than a second or so.
 

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The best solution for slow safe pitstops without losing much time is redesigning all the tracks in a way that pitlane cuts a small segment. Obviously this isn't a realistic scenario.
 

Easy Rider

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Remove the pit wall and let drivers enter and leave the pit lane whenever they like.

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I would limit the rotation speed of the gun and bring a lollipop guy/gal, 2 secs instead of 0.2 per wheel nut to fasten the thing, you ll have time to see more clearly what's happening.
Either that or ban pitstops.
 

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Why can't they close the pit lane when something like this happens?

It was a bit surreal even during the race when we didn't know about this specific scenario. There was a guy on the ground, potentially in very bad conditions, literally blocking Vettel from pitting, and making certain kind of interventions very hard, eg. an ambulance couldn't have driven there. And yet there was no yellow flag, no virtual safety car, no safety car, no pitlane closed, no red flag. Nothing changed, and people on the track could have all rushed to the pits for all we know while a person is lying on the floor with a bad injury. It was really strange to witness.
 

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Wow, the press laying it onto VER. After things have settled down I agree with him on the fact that is was a racing incident with an outcome that could have gone both ways.
 
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Of course the press wants to stir that shit, it is literally all they do nowadays. They tried it with Gasly and Fernando, too.
 

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But you know, in Mexico it worked, did I ever tell you how it worked in Mexico?
 

chuckddd

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Pierre Gasly said:
I have only been to the Shanghai International Circuit in my role as reserve driver with Red Bull Racing, so this week will be the first time I actually get to drive on the track. It's always exciting to discover a new place and a new circuit and this one looks like being a pretty cool one. Like most drivers I use the Playstation and I love driving this circuit on it, so I can't wait to do it for real.
Another 4th place is probably out of the question. But maybe all the PlayStation simulator work will pay off.
 

SweetVermouth

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I don't believe in any religion and I find it amusing that a lot of people in sports are so faithful, especially when they say smth among the lines of "I want to thank god for this win, he kept me going and blahblah". You see that a lot in boxing too and I always think "You didn't win because of god, you won because you trained your ass off!". I see nothing wrong with this though, do what you like, but also appreciate the people working for you, which Hamilton does. Team effort, #blessed may have only helped you when that Verstappen incident happened.
 

Stitch AU

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Ant Davidson talking a lot of sense during FP1 (although would be considered an unpopular opinion) on the Max v Lewis in Bahrain. Basically nobody yielded and contact was made, Lewis pulled the same shit to Nico several times when they were racing each other but Nico yielded so there wasn't contact (which is part reason why Nico was fed up and Spa happened). Interestingly Ant also said if roles were reversed Max still would have been blamed for it, very interesting he said that and we will never know obviously however I agree.
 

zeknurn

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Possible loose tyre on Vandoorne's McLaren.



*Vettel only did three laps so these numbers are pointless.
 
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Spades

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Ant Davidson talking a lot of sense during FP1 (although would be considered an unpopular opinion) on the Max v Lewis in Bahrain. Basically nobody yielded and contact was made, Lewis pulled the same shit to Nico several times when they were racing each other but Nico yielded so there wasn't contact (which is part reason why Nico was fed up and Spa happened). Interestingly Ant also said if roles were reversed Max still would have been blamed for it, very interesting he said that and we will never know obviously however I agree.

Very interesting, and he talks a lot of sense.
 

zeknurn

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Today in people burning Verstappen.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-bahrain-qualifying-crash-no-mechanical-issue-1025552/

Red Bull Formula 1 boss Christian Horner has confirmed there was no car or engine issue when Max Verstappen crashed out in the first segment of qualifying at the Bahrain Grand Prix.
Instead, Horner said the accident was a result of the Dutchman's foot jumping on the throttle pedal as he ran over the kerbs.

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Fellow Renault power unit user Nico Hulkenberg said: "I would like to know where the 150 horsepowers are coming from. Does he have a party mode as well?

"I haven't experienced that. It doesn't change from one lap to another. Let me put it like this – that's Greek to me."

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Renault Sport boss Cyril Abiteboul confirmed that the French manufacturer had found nothing wrong in its investigations.

"The engine has done exactly what the throttle was asking, it was very clear," he told Motorsport.com.

"It's a determinist thing, cause and consequence, when you press on the throttle, something is happening to the engine. The engine has reacted in exactly the same way that it was supposed to react."
 

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Amazing, really. For 5-6 days they went on with the "car malfunctioning" because Max couldn't admit he pressed the throttle while turning on a kerb. This is why Max's errors and accidents are always "overblown" by media - he always shifts blame onto someone else, and the team usually assists him in doing so.
 
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I'm glad we're not overreacting to one post qualifying interview where a guy had a spin, had a look at a data sheet before having to go to the press pen, saw a 150bhp spike and thought maybe that was the reason he lost the car (which, it was, research just happened to show the spike was normal).

Any chance to shit on the guys we don't like I suppose.
 

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I'm glad we're not overreacting to one post qualifying interview where a guy had a spin, had a look at a data sheet before having to go to the press pen, saw a 150bhp spike and thought maybe that was the reason he lost the car (which, it was, research just happened to show the spike was normal).

Any chance to shit on the guys we don't like I suppose.

Why is it overreacting? He's made a mistake. A lot of defenders immediately jumped on the fact that it was the car's fault. It wasn't. That's two weekends out of two this season he botched a potentially great result with erratic driving that was 100% his own doing. It's not like posts above claimed he's an idiot or can't drive.
 
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Why is it overreacting? He's made a mistake. A lot of defenders immediately jumped on the fact that it was the car's fault. It wasn't. That's two weekends out of two this season he botched a potentially great result with erratic driving that was 100% his own doing. It's not like posts above claimed he's an idiot or can't drive.
But at least you have proven what a shithead Max is, phew.

This thread would be so much better if we just stopped jumping down drivers throats every time someone we don't like does or says something to prove us right.

Maybe someone wants to take a shot at Lewis' clothes or hashtags? Anyone?
 

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But at least you have proven what a shithead Max is, phew.

This thread would be so much better if we wrote stop jumping down drivers throats every time someone we don't like does our says something to prove us right.

Maybe someone what's to take a shot at Lewis' clothes or hashtags?

Where did I claim he's a shithead? Pointing out he's done mistakes in two weekends means he's a shithead now? Then Mercedes is also a bunch of shitheads, since they could win the first 2 races on the season but didn't because of questionable strategy calls and miscalculations.
 

Brot

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But at least you have proven what a shithead Max is, phew.

This thread would be so much better if we just stopped jumping down drivers throats every time someone we don't like does or says something to prove us right.

Maybe someone wants to take a shot at Lewis' clothes or hashtags? Anyone?
Yeah, that's cool and all.

But what if Max really, really sucks this season? Maybe puberty came late for him. Have you ever thought about that?
 

chuckddd

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*Vettel only did three laps so these numbers are pointless.
Everyone will be on the softs for q2. Who wants to risk having to pit 5 laps into the race?

Interesting to see no Renault powered cars in this top ten. Perhaps they've tuned it down for this one?
It's been similar for every race so far. Only the Red Bulls managed to be on that sheet, near the bottom at that, in Bahrain.