Job Listings: SIE building a new development team to collaborate with VASG & a ''major Sony studio''

LiquidSolid · Apr 12, 2018

AAK said:
That mobygames link does not have the complete credits. Sony Santa Monica didn't only just give Giant Sparrow office space to make their game. You can have a look at its complete credits and you can see very key technical members within that played a huge role like Tim Moss being their chief of technology along with creative leads from SSM providing help. The same is true how Sony San Diego do things. You gave an example of a network engineer... that's also considered a developer. Creative advice is another example you gave which is influencing game design. These all count towards development of a title and hence "co-developed" is a perfectly apt way to describe the relationship between Bartel Jones and Sony San Diego.

So do you have "complete" credits or are you just going to dismiss MobyGames' credits because reasons?

Looking at those The Unfinished Swan credits, I see the (now former) head of SSM's external development group (Nathan Gary), a number of producers and consultants and then SSM/WWS management. I'm not really seeing these key technical members you're talking about. Tim Moss was in the management section, as one of the two Chiefs of Technology at Sony Santa Monica, there's no reason to believe he had a significant role on The Unfinished Swan. As an aside, SSM's external dev group are now Annapurna Interactive, so do you think they co-develop all the games they publish (like Edith Finch) or was it somehow different when they were part of SSM?

And finally, no, just because they may have received some help in the form of a network engineer or some creative advice, doesn't mean they co-developed the game. Come on. If that were the case then I guess you think The Last of Us was co-developed by a dozen different companies because of all the outsourcing Naughty Dog does, right? That's completely ridiculous.

DangerMouse · Apr 12, 2018

Awesome. Love that dedication to WWS.

Razgriz-Specter · Apr 13, 2018

TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
This is categorically bullshit.

how exactly?
Respawn mode had the focus
Weapon attachments from leveling up weapons
Grenade thing was one of the worst changes I have ever seen in a game

Angie · Apr 13, 2018

Where is Pixelopus located. I remember reading that they are integrated in one of the major studios.

Maybe they plan to grow up the studio.

Nightengale · Apr 13, 2018

Angie22 said:
Where is Pixelopus located. I remember reading that they are integrated in one of the major studios.

Maybe they plan to grow up the studio.

They're based in the PlayStation HQ in San Mateo.

TheThreadsThatBindUs · Apr 13, 2018

Razgriz-Specter said:
how exactly?
Respawn mode had the focus
Weapon attachments from leveling up weapons
Grenade thing was one of the worst changes I have ever seen in a game

None of those things are evidence of what you claimed; i.e. that it was Sony who forced these changes as opposed to Zipper who simply made the game they thought would sell.

Or are you going to actually try to present some evidence to support your wild speculative claims?

IIFloodyII · Apr 13, 2018

Would love more Lost Legacy type Uncharted's every few years.

Drencrom · Apr 13, 2018

Great to hear SIE WWS is expanding, Sony's focus on first-party games is really paying off this gen so it makes sense.

Samuel Cabral · Apr 13, 2018

cLOUDo said:
Uncharted Battle royale

LOL

Razgriz-Specter · Apr 13, 2018

TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
None of those things are evidence of what you claimed; i.e. that it was Sony who forced these changes as opposed to Zipper who simply made the game they thought would sell.

Or are you going to actually try to present some evidence to support your wild speculative claims?

Its evidence they chased Call of Duty, we have plenty of stuff that points to Sony themselves wanting it though.
Like every interview with Shuhei where he says Socom did not have broad appeal, maybe it wasn't mandated but it was certainly "suggested" at them.

Hell a former employee here on Resetera(and another or maybe the same back on Neogaf) pretty much said so in a thread recently as well.

Egida · Apr 13, 2018

Yay, more Chloe! Pizza for everyone!

EGOMON · Apr 13, 2018

Sony need a shooter studio, MAG 2 should interesting with the new tech imagine 3-way battle of hundreds of players

OG_Thrills · Apr 13, 2018

TheThreadsThatBindUs · Apr 13, 2018

Razgriz-Specter said:
Its evidence they chased Call of Duty, we have plenty of stuff that points to Sony themselves wanting it though.
Like every interview with Shuhei where he says Socom did not have broad appeal, maybe it wasn't mandated but it was certainly "suggested" at them.

This is reaching.

Razgriz-Specter said:
Hell a former employee here on Resetera(and another or maybe the same back on Neogaf) pretty much said so in a thread recently as well.

Link?

Deleted member 5593 · Apr 13, 2018

LiquidSolid said:
So do you have "complete" credits or are you just going to dismiss MobyGames' credits because reasons?

Looking at those The Unfinished Swan credits, I see the (now former) head of SSM's external development group (Nathan Gary), a number of producers and consultants and then SSM/WWS management. I'm not really seeing these key technical members you're talking about. Tim Moss was in the management section, as one of the two Chiefs of Technology at Sony Santa Monica, there's no reason to believe he had a significant role on The Unfinished Swan. As an aside, SSM's external dev group are now Annapurna Interactive, so do you think they co-develop all the games they publish (like Edith Finch) or was it somehow different when they were part of SSM?

And finally, no, just because they may have received some help in the form of a network engineer or some creative advice, doesn't mean they co-developed the game. Come on. If that were the case then I guess you think The Last of Us was co-developed by a dozen different companies because of all the outsourcing Naughty Dog does, right? That's completely ridiculous.

I said it's incomplete because almost every credits page of games released within the last couple generations listed on Mobygames has been incomplete. Post a video of the actual credits if you want a more accurate representation of the list of people involved in the project.

As for your question about Annapurna or every contacting firm in TLOU being co-developers on those games: If the game credits them as prominently as SSD were I'm D2D/Sony Japan in BB/SSM in Unfinished Swan/etc. then yes they would most definitely be co-developers.

Stardestroyer · Apr 13, 2018

TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
This is reaching.

Link?

I agree. It seem like what Sony during the PS3 era would do, but someone cannot claim for certain without proof. Also saying someone from zipper says so w/o providing a link is similar to my uncle works for Nintendo.

TheThreadsThatBindUs · Apr 13, 2018

Stardestroyer said:
I agree. It seem like what Sony during the PS3 era would do, but someone cannot claim for certain without proof. Also saying someone from zipper says so w/o providing a link is similar to my uncle works for Nintendo.

Well we know from comments from Sony's other first party studios like ND and even 3rd parties like Insomniac that Sony tend to give quite a bit of freedom in this regard. Which is why I consider it a reach that Sony would pressure Zipper into changing their game's design, as opposed to Zipper themselves feeling that a more traditional Socom game wouldn't have been marketable in the gaming climate at the time.

I think in general, gamers tend to be a bit jaded about stuff like this and always tend to assume that it's the publishers pushing conformity in gane design to the current zeitgeist, where that is not always the case at all in reality.

We can all take a view of the situation and make assumptions, but we shouldn't make sweeping conclusive statements without any shred of proof like that.

DriftingSpirit · Apr 13, 2018

EGOMAN said:
Sony need a shooter studio, MAG 2 should interesting with the new tech imagine 3-way battle of hundreds of players

A studio partially dedicated to MP experiences would be a nice addition to their lineup. I think they should go after games that fit certain niches though.

Quintus · Apr 13, 2018

Uncharted 5 on Playstation 5 on launch - Holiday 2020. That would be amazing.

Razgriz-Specter · Apr 13, 2018

Stardestroyer said:
I agree. It seem like what Sony during the PS3 era would do, but someone cannot claim for certain without proof. Also saying someone from zipper says so w/o providing a link is similar to my uncle works for Nintendo.

It was a post on here, in a random thread about GAAS(or something) that brought up Socom.
Seems like it would be impossible to find.

I was incorrect on that Neogaf user though, he said Zipper was responsible for most of its mishaps with terrible management.

My point still stands about Sony screwing them over.
Socom 4 was destroyed by the PSN hack, they dropped a Vita game the following March and the announcement of their closure was the same month.

Stardestroyer · Apr 13, 2018

Razgriz-Specter said:
It was a post on here, in a random thread about GAAS(or something) that brought up Socom.
Seems like it would be impossible to find.

I was incorrect on that Neogaf user though, he said Zipper was responsible for most of its mishaps with terrible management.

My point still stands about Sony screwing them over.
Socom 4 was destroyed by the PSN hack, they dropped a Vita game the following March and the announcement of their closure was the same month.

Your point doesn't stand. The game was trash and the hack burried it. The vita game was the final nail since it was terrible.

It is not Sony's fault that they made a shit game.

noyram23 · Apr 13, 2018

DriftingSpirit said:
A studio partially dedicated to MP experiences would be a nice addition to their lineup. I think they should go after games that fit certain niches though.

Yes like JRPGs please.

John Bender · Apr 13, 2018

IIFloodyII said:
Would love more Lost Legacy type Uncharted's every few years.

So much this! Would be awesome if they could make more Uncharted LL type of games.

noyram23 said:
Yes like JRPGs please.

And this! Sony Japan Studio needs a Jrpg team =(

Razgriz-Specter · Apr 13, 2018

Stardestroyer said:
Your point doesn't stand. The game was trash and the hack burried it. The vita game was the final nail since it was terrible.

It is not Sony's fault that they made a shit game.

PSN hack literally happened from April 17th-April19th, Sony shut the PSN down on the 20th and the outage lasted 24 days
Socom 4 released on the 19th....

Of course nobody was buying the game, even if it had been a great game.

Memento · Apr 13, 2018

If they are really working on a established IP, I have zero doubts it is Uncharted. I mean, Naughty Dog got their hands full with TLOU2 and after that a new IP is highly likely. On the other hand, Uncharted 4 sold 8.7 million in 7 months, which means Sony wont let this franchise go away. Establishing a new studio to tackle the franchise seems a good idea!

I will echoe Sully in the 80s please!

John_Leeson · Apr 13, 2018

If they make another Uncharted, i think it will be Chloe, Nadine and Sam again, in this case, i hope they add Sully and Cutter in the team.

But yeah, i would love an Uncharted game with Sully in the 80s too.

LiquidSolid · Apr 13, 2018

AAK said:
I said it's incomplete because almost every credits page of games released within the last couple generations listed on Mobygames has been incomplete. Post a video of the actual credits if you want a more accurate representation of the list of people involved in the project.

As for your question about Annapurna or every contacting firm in TLOU being co-developers on those games: If the game credits them as prominently as SSD were I'm D2D/Sony Japan in BB/SSM in Unfinished Swan/etc. then yes they would most definitely be co-developers.

Rubbish, MobyGames are by far the best source for game credits and have the full credits list far more often than not. There's no Dream to Death credits video or list on other sites that I can find, so if you have a better source, go ahead and post it. Otherwise, I'm going to defer to the one we've got.

As for that last bit, lol. This is pointless, your argument is ridiculous. I'm done.

JustAnotherOne · Apr 13, 2018

Finally I will get my Atlantis Uncharted (: AND on next-gen.

Bundy · Apr 13, 2018

JustAnotherOne said:
Finally I will get my Atlantis Uncharted (: AND on next-gen.

Or, as a friend on Twitter mentioned, a new SciFi Horror IP. Dead Space is gone. So a new game in that genre? YES PLEASE!

Redevil · Apr 14, 2018

Callibretto said:
Uncharted need to be put on hold for like a decade before coming back with Cassie as the protagonist, with dog sidekick and more focus on exploration and puzzles.

I agree with everything you said apart from the decade part. If they can deliver it within a couple years time I'll be more than happy.

Callibretto · Apr 14, 2018

Bundy said:
Or, as a friend on Twitter mentioned, a new SciFi Horror IP. Dead Space is gone. So a new game in that genre? YES PLEASE!

isn't that new Prey game a sci-fi horror? I'd like a more space meha sci-fi game. something like Gundam but with realistic and grounded style and less anime tropes. imagine what ND can do with some of typical Gundam scenario like mecha space battle entering earth atmosphere.

Bundy · Apr 14, 2018

Callibretto said:
isn't that new Prey game a sci-fi horror? I'd like a more space meha sci-fi game. something like Gundam but with realistic and grounded style and less anime tropes. imagine what ND can do with some of typical Gundam scenario like mecha space battle entering earth atmosphere.

I'm not a big fan of first-person stuff, so...... nah. Something more like Dead Space would be awesome.

Noobie · Apr 23, 2018

is this going to be Cory's team for his new IP?

John Bender · Apr 23, 2018

Noobie said:
is this going to be Cory's team for his new IP?

I doubt it. Cory Barlog will stay at SSM in Playa Vista LA. Sony Santa Monica Studio's new headquarter is huge. So I'm pretty sure they can handle two projects at the same time, like Guerrilla Games did back then with Killzone Shadow Fall and Horizon Zero Dawn.
One big team and one small team.

It sounds more like a collaboration with Sony's San Diego Studio or Naughty Dog.

-PyramidSong · Apr 27, 2018

There wasn't a rumour about sony building a studio just to make uncharted games ? i doubt its true

LordLichtenstein · Oct 20, 2018

SIE San Diego Studio shares its campus on Barnes Canyon Rd with the Visual Arts Serice Group, I would imagine the new team is housed there as well.

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