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The Unsent

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Oct 25, 2017
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That Day of the Dead intro is fantastic and the Rome chase looks pretty. I also like "Now I know what C stands for, careless" The rest is dull though, maybe if it's one of the first Bond films someone has seen, the action and villian might be less generic.
 

Yossarian

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Oct 25, 2017
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No joke, I don't know what that is.

Was Bellucci in this? That scene was cringy even for the usual Bond seducing...

Was she the one who, after painfully explaining to Bond that she had been caught up in the sex trade since she was twelve, was immediately poggered by the imperialist assassin and then, only two scenes later, got shot in the face as part of a male dick measuring contest and promptly forgotten like a used cigarette...?

Man, that whole character arc was so arousing.
 
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Zoso

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Oct 27, 2017
249
It's perfectly mediocre, which for a Bond film, is worse than being downright terrible. At least Moonraker, Diamonds Are Forever, and A View to a Kill are so completely ridiculous and stuffed with camp that they're actually really entertaining. Spectre is Craig's worst Bond film yet.

There's some good stuff in the first half of Spectre like the Mexico opening, the confrontation at Mr. White's cabin, and the train fight scene. But it all goes to shit once they arrive at Blofeld's lair in the desert. The sheer stupidity of trying to connect all of Craig's previous films with a half-brother Blofeld is just astounding. It's literally a plot point taken from Austin Powers Goldmember. Blofeld being a villain that goes to Kinko's to print out headshots of past villains and tapes them up for Bond to find is not menacing. How did anyone think this was a good idea? LĂ©a Seydoux does look amazing, but she has no chemistry with Craig and the script completely botches their relationship. A lot of Spectre's problems can be blamed on the poor script.

Casino Royale (2006) was such an amazing movie and it's kind of impressive how they've failed to build off of such a strong reboot. I partly blame Same Mendes, who is clearly a fan of the older Bond movies and wanted to inject many of the old tropes and jokes back into the franchise. I don't think most of it works with Craig's bond. It's also a classic Bond problem in that anytime they try to outdo themselves and "go big" they end up delivering an overstuffed mess like Thunderball or Die Another Day. Skyfall was a big success, and they clearly wanted to go bigger with more locations and gadgets while reviving a classic Bond villain. It didn't really deliver. Let's hope Craig's last film is a hell of a lot better.
 
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I just don't get how that brother twist was approved by everyone involved. It's insane.

I mean, it would have been more interesting if Blofeld didn't give a fuck about Bond and was more fascinated that this fly in the ointment kept coming back. And that sequence in London with the cutouts was fucking hilarious.
 

GamerJM

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Nov 8, 2017
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I'll be honest, I liked it but I can't remember much of why. I thought the villain was compelling and his plans had me pretty captivated, and the movie had some cool setpieces I think. I'm also just a sucker for nutty plot twists.

The only Bond movies I've watched are the last three Craig ones and this is the only one I liked. The other two I found kind of monotonous.
 

Disco

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Oct 25, 2017
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Only good thing I can say about it is that it continued Mendes' run with making some really beautiful and expensive looking Bond flicks. The clothes, location shots and cars all looked great. And Hoytema did just as great as Deakins as DP

Boring ass movie though, worse than Skyfall and the wackest this franchise has been since Brosnan era
 

Shoe

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Oct 25, 2017
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What the hell happened from Skyfall to Spectre to result in that quality drop?
 
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MoonlitBow

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Oct 25, 2017
4,873
Spectre honestly wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be given the reception, but right from the start of the movie there was serious problems with the suspension of belief in how gravity was of little consequence to Bond and the torture scene later on also being of little consequence. The movie also seemed very unsure as to whether it wanted to have finality for the character or end on a cliffhanger, so it tried to do both.

Besides that I couldn't help but appreciate the silly MGS inspired plot by making Spectre the Bond universe equivalent of the Patriots and making Blofeld more or less Liquid Snake. Blofeld was honestly not a great villain most of the time in the old movies (except for maybe OHMSS where he was a much more subdued character) so I didn't mind such a crazy take on the franchise's villain organization.
 

Messofanego

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Oct 25, 2017
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Skyfall was praised highly.

Spectre was rightfully dismissed as mediocre.
Sure, others. I didn't praise it highly, thought it was a step back from Casino Royale because the interpersonal relationships weren't as strong, the love interest was more than that in CR rather than a fling and so there were personal stakes which weren't present in Skyfall, or the characters were not as interesting. I wasn't as emotionally invested. My only takeaway from Skyfall was that it was better than Quantum Of Solace but that's not high praise.
 

Zoso

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Oct 27, 2017
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Only good thing I can say about it is that it continued Mendes' run with making some really beautiful and expensive looking Bond flicks. The clothes, location shots and cars all looked great. And Hoytema did just as great as Deakins as DP

Boring ass movie though, worse than Skyfall and the wackest this franchise has been since Brosnan era

I agree, Hoytema did a good job and overall I think the film looks great. But the aggressive yellow color grading was disappointing.

I mean how do you go from this bright and colorful on-set look
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to this dull yellow filtered look for the final film?
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The whole film has some questionable color grading choices.
 

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I just had a fun time watching it. Simple as that. And that's the main (really only these days) reason I watch movies and shows. I stopped caring about the artistic parts of it years ago. Maybe I'll get back into that stuff more in retirement when I have less going on and more mental energy to devote to hobbies.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I remember the whole time feeling like everyone was just bored. Craig never looked like he was having any fun with the role, a lot of the scenes felt like total asspulls, he literally takes out 90% of SPECTRE by firing an SMG and hitting a gas line and their whole base explodes.
 

Brau

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Oct 26, 2017
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Finland
You mean bold colors like beige, yellow, and yellowy beige?

I dunno... I see plenty of great colors and contrast to create a very stylish composition and cinematography. Just because there is a sensible color palette that tags along with the movie doesn't make it any less interesting.


It's a gorgeous movie to look at and study. I can go into some of it if you're interested. But yes, its very bold with high contrast to create a very dramatic silhouette and composition.
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
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I dunno... I see plenty of great colors and contrast to create a very stylish composition and cinematography. Just because there is a sensible color palette that tags along with the movie doesn't make it any less interesting.

It's a gorgeous movie to look at and study. I can go into some of it if you're interested. But yes, its very bold with high contrast to create a very dramatic silhouette and composition.
That's Skyfall not Spectre.
 

weekev

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've definitely seen it but I couldn't tell you anything about the plot. That tells you all you need to know about how memorable this film is. Casino Royale and Skyfall on the other hand are excellent.
 

dusteatingbug

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Dec 1, 2017
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I really liked it visually. Just pure style the whole way through.

But Spectre and Casino Royale are the only Bond movies I like so IDK
 

CosmicGP

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Oct 28, 2017
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The only things I remember about it were Bond in permanent 'perfect headshots cheat mode' and Lea in a shimmery blue dress.

And I tuned out after yet another 'give it all up for the girl' subplot or something like that.
 

matrix-cat

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Oct 27, 2017
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I like the part when the bad guys are getting away with Lea Seydoux in a convoy of SUVs, and Bond's plan is to get in a plane and then... wing it, I guess? And then it ends up working out through wild coincidence :P
 
Oct 29, 2017
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As a Mexican, the opening is scene is probably one of my favorites of all time. Not just that it's a neat action setpiece but it's an extremely rare representation of Mexico in mainstream Hollywood that isn't pandering or stereotypical.
 

bastardly

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Nov 8, 2017
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I like parts of it, like Bautista and intro, but yeh can't believe they wasted Waltz like that, that's the greatest crime.

Skyfall was Mendes beginning to channel the old Connery films, then all of a sudden he skipped to the worst of the Moore films with Spectre.
 

Cort

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Nov 4, 2017
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I disliked this film. From the extremely lame car chase to the questionable torture scene. One scene in particular that stuck with me that I thought there would be a badass helicopter sequence leaving Blofeld's base. It never happened, the scene just ends with Bond and Swann just looking at each other and walking off screen
 

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I still hold casino royale as the goat bond film. The rest of the Craig movies have been meh to good enough. Spectre wasted waltz imo.

This is where I stand. Casino Royale is timeless. The rest of the movies followed up to it decently in terms of setpieces, but the story has been largely hit and miss. Spectre's half-assed attempt to tie all the movies together with the "you fell in love multiple times and they all died haha" thing didn't fell like a satisfying climax at all, but overall the movie still worked in its development and action. Spectre was more memorable than Quantum Of Solace, for one, so I liked it. It's still a brilliantly created action flick, after all.
 

Fancy Clown

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Oct 25, 2017
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I dunno... I see plenty of great colors and contrast to create a very stylish composition and cinematography. Just because there is a sensible color palette that tags along with the movie doesn't make it any less interesting.



It's a gorgeous movie to look at and study. I can go into some of it if you're interested. But yes, its very bold with high contrast to create a very dramatic silhouette and composition.

As others have said, that's Skyfall not Spectre. Great work by Deakins, I agree it's a beautiful movie.
 

Brau

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Oct 26, 2017
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hahaha. oh wow. I guess i was thinking of Skyfall. I'll make a post of Spectre. I guess Skyfall does have better cinematography since that is what stayed with me.
 

Hyun Sai

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Oct 27, 2017
14,562
Just saw it yesterday night. I liked 2 things in this movie : the Mr White / Bond meeting, and the train fight. The movie was a chore to watch, with some pretty stupid action scenes (helicopter, plane). Even Waltz was boring.

It's incredible how Craig was in what I consider the best Bond movie and all the following movies were such letdowns.

It's still Casino Royale >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skyfall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quantum of Solace = Spectre
 

Soj

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Oct 27, 2017
10,692
I find it puzzling that many people hate it but love Skyfall. Both movies are of extremely similar quality.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's all the archaic, generic, sexist parts of Bond with hardly any of the charm or wit.

Action is from serviceable to outright lazy.5ÂŁ3 sequence where Bond and girl are shooting their way grouch the hideout at the end just walking through automatic gunfire and head sitting everyone is this film in a nutshell.

Template and severely showing its age as a franchise.
 

Gonzalez

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just like it for being closer to a traditional silly 007 film than any of the previous Craig films.

It's basically in Thunderball-tier of these movies. A weak entry, but ultimately a serviceable one.

Fuck Quantum... That shit gives me a headache every time I watch it. The only redeemable part of it is the epilogue. I wish somebody would permanently edit it into Casino Royale.
 

Patitoloco

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Oct 27, 2017
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I just like it for being closer to a traditional silly 007 film than any of the previous Craig films.

It's basically in Thunderball-tier of these movies. A weak entry, but ultimately a serviceable one.

Fuck Quantum... That shit gives me a headache every time I watch it. The only redeemable part of it is the epilogue. I wish somebody would permanently edit it into Casino Royale.
You mean the prologue where he finds Mr. White? Or the epilogue where he drops Vesper's collar?

I kinda liked the original epilogue where Bond finds Mr. White again to set up the end of the trilogy.
 

dr_octagon

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Dec 31, 2017
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total shit

a couple of nice action shots but so much awfulness

- c for careless, lame intelligence organisation taking over like a crappy mission impossible plot
- q making a joke about brining back one piece and laughing like a numpty
- 'it was me, the author of all your pain' line was so stupid
- look at my loafers, generic bad guy shadow organisation and bobsled name reveal
- let's playback a video plot point and talk about a meterorite and unstoppable forces cos we can't write proper dialogue
- tempus fugit / time flies cos i have a bomb watch and the writer has seen old bond films
- villain crawling out the helicopter which was anti climactic
- past movie montage with photos, ticking timebomb