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Napalm_Frank

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Oct 27, 2017
5,731
Finland
I doubt that. They tried that once with the Demo Reel thingy and it didn't work out for them at all. Unless Doug reinvents his approach to reviewing, he will quickly fade into obscurity - whatever that means, given there are people with millions of followers/subscribers whom some will likely have never heard of - given that the NC apparently is the only reason he's still around.
I dunno dude, even his non nostalgia critic videos get decent views and I'd imagine his core fanbase is big enough to allow him get decent start on patreon.

As for Rob Walker doe, I dunno if they could sustain both. But I definately think Doug will have it a loooooot easier jumping into independent youtube stuff as a fulltime job than 99% of other people with similar content regardless of actual quality.

Doubly so if he personally owns some of the core equipment he uses.

Edit: it is interesting to think about doe how much exactly Mike would be putting effort in making things difficult for Doug if they had a falling out and what/how much exactly can you put under the NC name. Like would Doug be fine with continuing business as usual minus the name and maybe a costume change?

Also I suppose it's not impossible that in some situation Mike would sell the rights to Doug. The NC name is worthless without him but I suppose spite can be a powerful thing. Not that I have any idea how their relationship is for real.
 
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deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, you can't reveal that kind of stuff. If they want to come forward, they can make a free account on any website and do it themselves. Anything else is a potential trap.

I've been watching Youtube statistics, but I thought I would check twitter, and they've lost about 2000 followers in the last 30-ish days since this stuff started (the bulk is from when the document was published). I'm still surprised they have so little twitter followers in general (66 thousand) when you compare them to their youtube subscriber and view counts.

Mhmm, at this point, for better or worse, they kinda need to do it themselves, or else through telling it to someone with some amount of authority who can spread it. Though it sounds like they tried to do the latter with the doc and were barred from doing so, so that's a problem.

Telling random other people it in private is fine, but having those people actually spread it will not look good for them since it would be easy to discredit the claims, and would make those people a target as well.
 

lunarworks

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Oct 25, 2017
22,116
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He loves to talk about how the Nostalgia Critic is a exaggeration but it is his opinion, but sometimes it isn't? It's very confusing to get a grasp on his actual personality and is hard to dissociate it from his characters. It becomes even more strange when we look at the way he writes everyone else as a huge asshole.
Every high school has one of these people. They don't have a personality, or are uncomfortable with theirs, so they rely on "LOOK HOW QUIRKY I AM, EVERYONE" to get through life. Eventually they become what they present to the world.

My school had a similar guy who insisted everyone call him "Mystery".
 

dennett316

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Nov 2, 2017
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Mhmm, at this point, for better or worse, they kinda need to do it themselves, or else through telling it to someone with some amount of authority who can spread it. Though it sounds like they tried to do the latter with the doc and were barred from doing so, so that's a problem.

Telling random other people it in private is fine, but having those people actually spread it will not look good for them since it would be easy to discredit the claims, and would make those people a target as well.
Why would Allison and the other doc organisers EVER post the name of an accused like that when the person making the accusation isn't willing to be named? That opens them up to all sorts of legal problems if the accused decides to sue. That kind of direct accusation needs to be made by the people it happened to, and it needs to be done in a way that doesn't get others into trouble in the accuser's name.
 

LiK

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok. I'm a nobody but I finally get to post so time to unload some opinions I've really really wanted to post for over a week. Probably won't see me post too much as I tend to become a wallflower very fast. But enough with that.

I started watching channel awesome at the very very beginning, finding the Nostalgia Critic from the AVGN crossovers. My history with the site has always been a flakey one but it got me through some bad and stressful times in my life and I used to find the Nostalgia Critic very fun, but after Blip sank and the Nostalgia Critic temporarily retired I stopped coming to the site but kept up with as many people as I could find on Youtube. Side Note: Hearing about Justin's death made me quite sad. But yeah it's probably why I never noticed the people who got added after 2013 or 2014. But yeah after the reboot outside of the Commercial Specials the Nostalgia Critic has really lost his charm. Even more so with the recent allegations by people I really like. Heck it actually lead me to discover their twitters and rediscover them.

On the Topic of GamerGate I'm actually fairly neutral. For reason's I shall explain simply being that while I wholeheartedly disagree with their methods, I also think Anita was just whining heavily. I mean I do believe Women should get more starring roles and equality in the industry and games and such, on the flipside I remember the immense struggle my dad had to keep custody of my little sister and I away from our Biological Mother. She, my Biological Mother, couldn't hold a job and could barely take care of herself let alone us, yet it took her parents telling the courts that she wouldn't be a fit mother before Dad finally got us. To add salt to the wound when Dad moved away with Us so She couldn't run away with us for the tenth time and had to leave his old job behind, he discovered what an immense struggle it was to get us foodstamps. And forget about Tanif or Wicks or anything like that. To put it bluntly, I'm an Equalist. If those feminist SJW's really were for Social Justice, then they'd really be for it, Championing not only for Women to get equaler jobs, but also for the Flipside of making it so that Single Parent Dad's have an easier time getting the support they need for raising their kids. Also they'd stop spreading the misbelief that only women can get raped, even if it probably is rarer for men to get raped by a woman, probably because there's such a social Stigma against admitting it. TLDR: Woman should be paid Equal. Men should be elligable for Tanif. And a bunch of other Stuff. Also yes there probably is plenty of Mr. Fanservice in the Video Game Industry. Gamergate was a bad thing but Anita was just a whiner.

One last thing I just thought of: Written History should not be changed when someone changes gender. It is quite important for historical context. Because that was effectively another person before they changed. Or another form. Oral history is free to change however.

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Signed, Teraunce the Gamer Dragon .

Banned or not, I hope this was parody.
 

DorkLord54

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Oct 27, 2017
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It actually is kinda hard to go back to old NostalgiaCritic episodes even without the controversy. Stuff just hasn't dated well.
Every high school has one of these people. They don't have a personality, or are uncomfortable with theirs, so they rely on "LOOK HOW QUIRKY I AM, EVERYONE" to get through life. Eventually they become what they present to the world.

My school had a similar guy who insisted everyone call him "Mystery".
Should've called him Debbie.
Holy shit, not only is this real there's fucking footage of it?
I think Rob was there with him taking the footage.
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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I think Rob was there with him taking the footage.
Yeah of course.
The part that baffled me was that there's a news anchor talking over it.
Like not only did they do this, they filmed this, they actually send it to a news media AND the news media made a short clip about it?
Like WTF
You just know how proud of himself Doug was for pulling that stunt.
I mean whatever at this point, the guy had a real shitty job and he felt like he really wanted to make his quitting count.
I guess Karen from accounting had a good time seeing that janitor make an ass of himself during lunch time.

But being proud about it years down the line like you're a character from a sitcom?
Why? I hope his current job isn't failing or he'll be flipping burgers in no time.

and when people talked about him quitting his job in a "flamboyant" manner I thought he was a barrista at Starbucks or flipping burger, a janitor in company?
Never would have seen it coming.
Didn't he go to film school or something and he has a black&white movie he did then or am I confusing him with Jay Sherman or something?

e: Oh god, that IS why I had a positive view of the guy since so long, isn't it?
 
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I remember when Brad raised $50k for Jesus Bro and then it came out and it still looked like the same amateur stuff they have always produced.

I have seen mumblecore thats produced on the most shoestring of budgets look like it wasn't made by a bunch of nerds out of their dad's garage.


I did feel, back in the day, that the amateurish production was part of the charm of those old TGWTG/Channel Awesome reviews. Where it really started slipping was when the Walkers tried to be more ambitious but made their limitations very clear. Doug loves that Moulin Rouge episode of his, but even then, I thought it was awful and pretentious.

I think was really sealed my distaste for the Nostalgia Critic's revival was that opening credits sequence that was full of the exact kind of stuff I didn't watch Nostalgia Critic for and tried to co-opt one of the main setpieces of that Moulin Rouge review as the show's main theme, even though a first-time viewer would rightly believe that they just did a cover of a Queen classic and called it their own.
 

caliph95

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Karen from accounting had a good time seeing that janitor make an ass of himself during lunch time.
I mean fuck Karen from accounting she's the worst
Yeah of course.
The part that baffled me was that there's a news anchor talking over it.
Like not only did they do this, they filmed this, they actually send it to a news media AND the news media made a short clip about it?
Like WTF
Was it local news ?
I can see that happening
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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I mean fuck Karen from accounting she's the worst
As long as she validates my expenses, I have no beef with Karen.
I won't humor her potato salad though, I have standards.
Was it local news ?
I can see that happening
Oh of course it's local news but why would you broadcast yourself in such a way?
And thinking about it, it's the most NC thing ever.
Nostalgia Critic isn't a character at all, it's just Doug with a gun.
 

Depths

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Oct 25, 2017
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and when people talked about him quitting his job in a "flamboyant" manner I thought he was a barrista at Starbucks or flipping burger, a janitor in company?
Never would have seen it coming.
Didn't he go to film school or something and he has a black&white movie he did then or am I confusing him with Jay Sherman or something?

e: Oh god, that IS why I had a positive view of the guy since so long, isn't it?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Yeah, him quitting in that manner was overly dramatic and attention seeking. It sounds like you're trying to criticize him for being a janitor at one time though. You're also holding baristas and burger flippers at a higher level because why?
 

wbloop

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah of course.
The part that baffled me was that there's a news anchor talking over it.
Like not only did they do this, they filmed this, they actually send it to a news media AND the news media made a short clip about it?
Like WTF

They didn't send that to ABC. That clip is ancient. I think Doug made that when they launched TGWTG, as I remember this being one of the very first videos on the site back then. The actual part where they interview Doug looks much, much more recent, with his head being more bald and the backdrop which is his house since he rebooted the NC.

Yeah, I watched way too much of his shit back then. I haven't seen a video of him since the Fury Road review and I haven't looked back. His videos getting worse plus already getting a clue of how horrible CA is run back in 2015 when Lupa was fired made me drop that site like a hot potato.
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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Well at least it's not Janice From accounting she's the devil
She's probably back on Earth because the devil thought she was too evil for them or some shit.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Yeah, him quitting in that manner was overly dramatic and attention seeking. It sounds like you're trying to criticize him for being a janitor at one time though. You're also holding baristas and burger flippers at a higher level because why?
I'm not clear, I'm not dogging on janitors.
I thought he was in college or something and quit his part time job that he hated or something.
It's not that janitor is a demeaning position or something.
I thought he wasn't working full time is what I'm surprised about.
They didn't send that to ABC. That clip is ancient. I think Doug made that when they launched TGWTG, as I remember this being one of the very first videos on the site back then. The actual part where they interview Doug looks much, much more recent, with his head being more bald and the backdrop which is his house since he rebooted the NC.

Yeah, I watched way too much of his shit back then. I haven't seen a video of him since the Fury Road review and I haven't looked back. His videos getting worse plus already getting a clue of how horrible CA is run back in 2015 when Lupa was fired made me drop that site like a hot potato.
You've got a point, I'm still baffled by the ABC bit.
Like the bit isn't about how a guy who now is trying to carve a career in entertainment quit his job in a flamboyant manner.
It's about a random dude quitting his job.
Or maybe I'm missing something, I still utterly fail to see how that's something you'd want to share with the world though.
 

caliph95

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Oct 25, 2017
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You've got a point, I'm still baffled by the ABC bit.
Like the bit isn't about how a guy who now is trying to carve a career in entertainment quit his job in a flamboyant manner.
It's about a random dude quitting his job.
Or maybe I'm missing something, I still utterly fail to see how that's something you'd want to share with the world though.
Is this full clip ? it looked like part of an interview and looked fairly recent
 

Cerium

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Oct 23, 2017
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We are in agreement with the other posters here that in a situation like this we shouldn't be putting forth unconfirmed rumors from unconfirmed sources, and some posts have been deleted accordingly.
 

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
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Speaking of Lindsay, she was hinting something Pokemon related... I believe while she was still at Channel Awesome years ago. Whatever happened to that?
 

ZeibleH

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Probably lost interest in the topic- these things happen. Also, will make sure not to allude to rumours in the future.
 
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Speaking of Lindsay, she was hinting something Pokemon related... I believe while she was still at Channel Awesome years ago. Whatever happened to that?
She worked with them for a little bit. I think she said something akin to "If you watched Pokemon up to (some season) on Netflix, that's my doing!" She's also listed as doing a voice or two on imdb as well. She talked a bit about it in the Dan Olson stream from a few days ago that I posted.
 

FormatCompatible

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She worked with them for a little bit. I think she said something akin to "If you watched Pokemon up to (some season) on Netflix, that's my doing!" She's also listed as doing a voice or two on imdb as well. She talked a bit about it in the Dan Olson stream from a few days ago that I posted.
She said she worked in putting a bunch of the episodes up on Netflix.
edit: what Rob said.
 

Cow Mengde

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She worked with them for a little bit. I think she said something akin to "If you watched Pokemon up to (some season) on Netflix, that's my doing!" She's also listed as doing a voice or two on imdb as well. She talked a bit about it in the Dan Olson stream from a few days ago that I posted.

Really? Link please? It's a big thread with so much stuff to go through.
 

JJAwiiu

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Oct 27, 2017
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This thread made me oddly nostalgic for the Nostalgia Critic. I think I tuned out when many people did -- when he "retired." When he came back and double-downed on those skits, I just was overwhelmed by cringe. Honestly it made me dislike Tamera and Malcolm simply because I felt if they hadn't been hired, maybe those skits wouldn't have happened. I also remember thinking "Doesn't Doug have any real friends to play these roles, why did he have to hire actors?" Anyway, I've recently come across some of Tamera's "Never Seen" stuff and I'm enjoying it. Though I gotta wonder how someone who was hired by the Nostalgia Critic had apparently never seen any good nostalgic movies (?).

I've watched a couple of newer Nostalgia Critics and other than the skits, I do somewhat enjoy it. It boggles my mind how he can criticize a movie over the same sort of mistakes he makes constantly though.

If there's a full one, can't find it.
You're right it's probably truncated bit I still don't know why anyone doing this would want this to be seen.

It wasn't local news, it was 20/20 which is ABC. Appears to be the year 2013. The title of the show was "Extreme Quitters: Leaving a Job and Making an Impression." I found it on abc.com for anyone wanting the full video: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/extreme-quitters-leaving-job-making-impression-19206343
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
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This thread made me oddly nostalgic for the Nostalgia Critic. I think I tuned out when many people did -- when he "retired." When he came back and double-downed on those skits, I just was overwhelmed by cringe. Honestly it made me dislike Tamera and Malcolm simply because I felt if they hadn't been hired, maybe those skits wouldn't have happened. I also remember thinking "Doesn't Doug have any real friends to play these roles, why did he have to hire actors?" Anyway, I've recently come across some of Tamera's "Never Seen" stuff and I'm enjoying it. Though I gotta wonder how someone who was hired by the Nostalgia Critic had apparently never seen any good nostalgic movies (?).
She's mentioned a couple of times in that series, she's an actress, she took acting classes, and she was hired solely for her acting ability, not her writing ability, nor for how much genuine nerd-credibility she had in common with the audience.

Malcolm and Tamara are just employees, and have zero input on the writing or anything really in Nostalgia Critic. (Which is unlike someone like Lindsay Ellis, who used to write/act/edit her entire videos back when she was the Nostalgia Chick, or any of the other contributors who worked the same way). Doug asks Malcolm and Tamara to do a thing. They do it. They get paid for their work.

It was eventually realized around the office that the list of popular movies that Tamara's somehow never seen is seriously massive, and that everyone is fascinated by this, so she got her own show where she watches a bunch of things for the first time, and the audience gets to tag along.
 

Rackham

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It was eventually realized around the office that the list of popular movies that Tamara's somehow never seen is seriously massive, and that everyone is fascinated by this, so she got her own show where she watches a bunch of things for the first time, and the audience gets to tag along.
That whole schtick is the only real thing I dislike about her. How is you've never seen all of those movies? Like, I get it if you haven't seen a few of them here and there but some things on the list are things you would have to go out of your way to avoid- or lie about.
https://www.listchallenges.com/tamaras-never-seen/checklist/2
 

Rob

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That whole schtick is the only real thing I dislike about her. How is you've never seen all of those movies? Like, I get it if you haven't seen a few of them here and there but some things on the list are things you would have to go out of your way to avoid- or lie about.
https://www.listchallenges.com/tamaras-never-seen/checklist/2
That seems like a weird reason to dislike someone. Not everyone has had an opportunity to see a wide swath of films. Hell, I didn't see Evil Dead 1 or Goonies until last year. People have certain blind spots in entertainment.
 

Rackham

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That seems like a weird reason to dislike someone. Not everyone has had an opportunity to see a wide swath of films. Hell, I didn't see Evil Dead 1 or Goonies until last year. People have certain blind spots in entertainment.
And I understand not being able to see some movies, but can you look at the list of those movies and see it as reasonable that a person studying acting hasn't seen any of them? Also, I didn't say I dislike her. I said I dislike that about her.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Rob

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What do you mean categorize episodes on Netflix? What does that mean doing from her end?
I'm not entirely sure. I think it was compling episode data or something. She mentions it in Dan's stream from a week ago: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/246015367 I don't have a timestamp, but I believe it was in the last 20-30 minutes. Someone in the chat asked what she did on Pokémon.

And I understand not being able to see some movies, but can you look at the list of those movies and see it as reasonable that a person studying acting hasn't seen any of them? Also, I didn't say I dislike her. I said I dislike that about her.
Yes? Because all of the examples on the checklist are pop culture movies. And if someone was studying acting, I could see focusing more on more classic Hollywood stuff. Or she could have been more focused on theatrical performances so her purview was narrowed.
 

deepFlaw

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That whole schtick is the only real thing I dislike about her. How is you've never seen all of those movies? Like, I get it if you haven't seen a few of them here and there but some things on the list are things you would have to go out of your way to avoid- or lie about.
https://www.listchallenges.com/tamaras-never-seen/checklist/2

I have never seen the vast majority of these movies. Of the 47 you linked to I have seen 5 in full, I think, along with parts of a few more. And of that 5 a few of them I only saw because they were played at summer camp or in school as well.

Some people just don't watch movies. Personally, I watch them very very rarely and when I do it's usually something recent in a theater. My family was never huge on watching older movies (beyond Star Wars, I guess?) either and we weren't allowed to watch anything that we didn't fit the age rating of till I was in my later teens anyway, which easily explains me not seeing a lot of what's in that list. Though maybe that makes it sound like a harsh penalty, when I wasn't really interested to begin with.

My mom's actually very into movies but that largely means going to the theater a ton rather than watching things at home, or maybe it's more accurate to say that anything she watches at home she watches by herself. My youngest sister's also much more into watching a ton of TV/movies, older ones included, but I was at college by the time she started that so I didn't get pulled into it.

I'm trying to watch more myself, but at least with TV (which I also do not watch that often, but much more often than movies) it's something I can get into over time and binge. I also feel more comfortable pausing episodes so I don't always have to specifically sit down to watch something for a few hours (which is probably the biggest barrier if I actually feel like doing it).

EDIT:

And I understand not being able to see some movies, but can you look at the list of those movies and see it as reasonable that a person studying acting hasn't seen any of them? Also, I didn't say I dislike her. I said I dislike that about her.

...in that case, I mean, which of those movies are something you'd point to as having revelatory acting in them that you'd want to learn from? Cause I'm guessing it's not the majority of the list.
 

RedMercury

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So are the people who are making a conscious choice to stay at CA just getting a pass? Angry Joe is a fairly big name, he's really not going to see any fallout?
 

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So are the people who are making a conscious choice to stay at CA just getting a pass? Angry Joe is a fairly big name, he's really not going to see any fallout?

I'm not going to hold it against someone for not saying anything or staying out of it. We don't know everyone's story and they'll share if they wish.
 

dennett316

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Why should people be villainized for choosing to stay on Channel Awesome? How is that productive?
Because there's torches and pitch forks to bust out, and we've gotta RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

Seriously though, Joe has been busy getting his Kickstarter together for that Street Fighter board game he was working on, he may not even have seen any of this shit kick off. Even if he has, the repeated message from all who spoke out on the document and on Twitter was that producers shouldn't be harassed, or held accountable for the actions of CA management.
 

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Because it's tacitly supporting the awfulness of the people at the top. It's willingly making money for terrible people who don't deserve it.

I get that but I don't know all the details. Brad Jones is good friends with Phelous, Lupa and Linkara for example. Maybe he'll ask to be removed as well, but if he doesn't then I'm not going to hate him for it. I don't watch his stuff through Channel Awesome anyways and honestly I didn't even know he still uploaded stuff there because there's no sign of CA on his own website or videos. Just his Patreon.

Joe probably isn't even aware he's still on the site. He's way bigger than they'll ever be.
 
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Let's not derail the discussion to Tamara, okay?
Yeah. Her and Malcolm are paid employees and are just talent, not anything to do with production or management, which is the issue of the thread.

And, to point out the unfairness of it, the Tamara video is the most recent video since this debacle took off, and so it's gotten the brunt of negativity to the point that it is now underwater in dislikes, more than 50%, which has never happened to any of their videos, I think. The last Tamara video had a ten to one split in favor of likes.

So are the people who are making a conscious choice to stay at CA just getting a pass? Angry Joe is a fairly big name, he's really not going to see any fallout?

Almost everyone involved with the document has asked for people not to harass and harangue anyone choosing to stay because we do not know their stories or reasons for staying.
 
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Yeah. Her and Malcolm are paid employees and are just talent, not anything to do with production or management, which is the issue of the thread.

And, to point out the unfairness of it, the Tamara video is the most recent video since this debacle took off, and so it's gotten the brunt of negativity to the point that it is now underwater in dislikes, more than 50%, which has never happened to any of their videos, I think. The last Tamara video had a ten to one split in favor of likes.
That's stupid and unfair. For all intent and purposes, she seems like good people. Is she being blamed for any of it? Or are people just using her video to bitch about CA as a whole?