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The last year or so has been very good for JRPGs and niche Japanese games. We had Final Fantasy 15 go on to become one of the highest selling games in the franchise (and apparently secure its future within Square Enix), we had Persona 5, a turn based anime JRPG, sell 2 million, we had Nier Automata, a Platinum Games and Yoko Taro joint, hit 2.5 million, we had Fire Emblem Echoes being one of the only successful 3DS software releases in a year when 3DS software sales largely fell off the cliff, we had Xenoblade 2 break out and hit over a million worldwide on a relatively constrained install base, and we had Monster Hunter World become Capcom's most successful release ever. Even more niche games, such as Yakuza 0, gained traction and cachet in the west over the last year.

And then we have Ni no Kuni 2- a sequel to a game that by all accounts was pretty well loved in the west. A game marketed as a high budget old school style JRPG on a system that it is contended has fans for that style of game on lock. A game that got incredibly positive reviews (which I never understood, but my personal opinion on the game is irrelevant to this discussion). It was also a reasonably high profile release- why, then, has it failed to gain traction literally anywhere in the world? The game's showing in Japan was dismal; its chart position in UK was pretty bad. It topped charts in France in its debut week, then promptly fell off the charts entirely the next week. According to Sony's monthly PSN download charts for the month of March, the game failed to chart in the Top 20 for Europe and North America.

Why exactly did Ni no Kuni 2 fail to take off, especially coming with some decent marketing by Bandai Namco, who are known to be able to sell relatively niche games well in the west anyway?
 

Cybersai

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The art style making it look like its for kids and not being as good as the first game may have something to do with it.
 

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I bought a copy day 1. But maybe word of mouth spread relatively quickly that the game was very lackluster. Do we even know sales data yet?
 
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JeffGubb

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It isn't horny enough for the weebs my dear friend Mike Minotti.

Edit: Was trying to joke. Should've remembered the audience to ensure it was clear that I wasn't serious. Consider my buns sufficiently blasted.
 
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treasureyez

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I think word of mouth matters more in the games industry than ever before, and most of the posts I've read about it don't make it seem like anyone would be hyping it to their friends.
 

DecoReturns

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I bought the first game here in US for 5 bucks. And it was brand new.

I've heard it's sells were a bit inflated by price cuts
 

astroglide

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I think it didnt so well because it was never advertised and I dont mean this to sound mean but it looks like a cartoon which turns a lot of peopls off. Jrpgs sent what they once were
 

SilverX

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It'll sell over time, it is still a solid game despite its drawbacks. I havent played much but the game looks absolutely stunning with HDR and the combat is fun enough.
 

Xaero Gravity

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For me personally, I opted not to touch it after how much I despised the AI in the first one. I thought the game had so much charm, but the partner AI was just so bad that I couldn't finish it. Word of mouth on the original was so high that I caved and bought it, so I won't be touching this one until it's significantly discounted. And while it's anecdotal, pretty much everyone I know that played the original echoes my sentiments.
 

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The Studio Ghibli connection really helped sell the first game in the west
 

Raw64life

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A lot of half measures. The game just isn't as good. They fixed the combat but made a lot of other things worse and added gameplay mechanics nobody wanted or asked for.

I'm about 2/3 through the game right now, and I'm enjoying it, but I'm not hooked at all. It's not as good as the first one overall.
 

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Niche game in a niche genre with not much word of mouth.

Also maybe not a great release date - I grabbed Far Cry 5 instead
 

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Too easy, lack of voice acting, nowhere near the emotional depth of the first game. That's what I've noticed, and I've played a decent amount. I'm somewhere near the Casino area. Also, this game doesn't have Ghibli attached to it like the first one.
 

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I'd guess that a large part of it, perhaps the most crucial one, is what I'd describe as a failure to tailor the game to a well-defined userbase/target.
Its overall positioning -- as you call it, a "high budget old school style JRPG" -- would imply that your primary target is older core gamers - but for those, the absolutely nonexistent challenge is a pretty big negative factor. And the same goes for the art style: It's very anime, which will turn off some of the audience, but at the same time it's also not particularly appealing to much of the core "anime game" audience.
 

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These niche games depends on word of mouth to sell and NNK 2 had a horrendous one.
The first came out when there weren't many good JRPGs on the PS3 while 2 came on a system had a good chunk of them.
 

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I am confused. I remember most people, myself included, feeling burnt out and bored with the original. It was padded and took too long to get interesting and take off. I think most people, including myself, just didn't want to bother with the sequel.
 

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First game was heavily overshipped in the west. I feel like more core RPG players don't like the series very much, Japan doesn't care about it and it's not very appealing to more casual players outside the Ghibli aesthetics.
 

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Word of mouth was probably pretty bad after people got their hands on it. It had one of the more overall negative OTs I can remember for a game (and well deserved). We'd probably have to go back to Bioshock Infinite or GTA IV to find such a large difference between media opinion and fan opinion.

Also I question how high budget it is because it got barely any marketing that I saw and the game itself has a lot of shortcuts, most notably in the voice acting department. So many scenes that seemed like it was meant for voice but weren't, or they'd start a conversation in text and inexplicably transition into voice after a few lines.
 

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also the first game came out when there had been a drought of JRPGs on the PS3 the genre is a lot healthier on the PS4
 

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I hated the first game and had no faith this one would fix what I didn't like about it.

Also this one was not hyped or marketed at all. They really sold the Ghibli game angle the first time but this one just sort of came out with basically no talk about it at all
 

Dysun

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It's a weak answer, but I think the setting and child-like designs/story don't appeal as much as the other games you listed (Persona/Nier/Xeno).
 

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It's a niche game that didn't get much word of mouth and almost no marketing. What word of mouth it got was mostly bad which certainly didn't help things.
 
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I am confused. I remember most people, myself included, feeling burnt out and bored with the original. It was padded and took too long to get interesting and take off. I think most people, including myself, just didn't want to bother with the sequel.
I mean, I didn't like the first one at all, and didn't care for the second one either, so I agree with you on that. But for the first one my understanding is I was in the minority, and the second one seemed to get great reviews so I figured I was in the minority again.
 

Tibarn

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The main character looks terrible, and if someone asks me to buy this game full price, my answer will be a rotund NO.
I was too surprised by the good reviews, and even if the overall critics and media are positive about the game, it's easy to find lots of complaints about the game if you search a little, and today everyone has access to lots of opinions to decide buying or not a game.
Even so, I expected better sales considering that the trailers and demos looked really well...
 

Kanann

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Review outlets that gave it 8-9 score didn't play pass 1 hour.

7 at best, It was one of the game that personally insult my lifetime.

Imagine making ramen, nothing can go wrong but Pres. Hino somehow put just tap water on it instead of some soup. How can they do that?! Boring-ing the boring game itself!
 

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I mean, the release date argument hardly holds. Nier launched against Zelda, Mass Effect, Ghost Recon, and Horizon, Persona launched against Mario Kart.

Theres also a lot of games that get destroyed by launching too close to another major title, youre only including the successes.

Ni No Kuni has a fraction of the pedigree Persona does. Nier was definitely a commercial surprise.
 

kennyamr

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NNK1 was much better than this one as far as I remember, although my memory is a bit fuzzy.

At least the characters, I keep saying this, but I was a bit annoyed by Lofty for example, while I remember liking Mr. Drippy a ton.

The story was also very meh. It was just a single very simple objective, then completing 4 similar steps, and then the end.

The kingdom builder was not as cool as I hoped (and very lengthy), and the skirmishes didn't help.

It's just a "swimming in 7s" game for me.
Still good but it lacks that push to be a success.
 
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I saw very little marketing/discussion about it, here or elsewhere.

Especially since it came to PC, it would've been nice for them to explain what makes this game/series special to newcomers.