The Good Fight Season 2 |OT| The best (fictional) show featuring a Pee Tape episode

berzeli said:

Suits is pretty damn similar in tone and pacing, and it has Gina Torres. Unfortunately it doesn't work as well for me as Good Fight/Wife.

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I agree, but thats because Suits skimps on the actual courtroom parts, and the mary-sueing of Donna is a bit OTT.
Lewis Lit could easily be a Louis Canning / Nancy Crozier / Patti Nyholm type though.

Going a bit older, Boston Legal is also in a similar vein, but a bit less focussed on the 'intrigue' aspect but more focussed on the actual courtroom parts (and more played for laughs)

Lol Boseman hamming it up for the jury was great. Also I like the possibility of seeing Maia do some lawyerin' in a court room.

The preview for next week's episode featured Russian alphabet letters. Lmao they're having a lot of fun with the show.

That episode was so good. Boseman was a champ. Consistently funny and surprising episode, and S2 proves that the writers here can consistently do what shows like Suits cannot: say what needs to be said and move on. Honestly just begging for the triumphant cameo return of Eli Gold at this point...

Good things happening to Marissa on the show make me happy.

Did they change the intro for the second season? I really love it all of the sudden.

Also, really excellent episode today. Felt chillingly relevant.

Yeah, Boseman was great, character has improved a lot since last season. Cold Open was fun, too, although the premise of his video going viral felt a bit like a stretch.

The one thing that continues to bother me with the cases of the week this year are the "lazy" resolutions. Every week, they find a smoking gun in the end and it wasn't even necessarry here. They were pretty much winning from the beginning, even the judge pointed it out; the nazi kid had no arguments, no charisma, nothing. Yet, they need to have the police find and bring in the arsenist, which made everything that had happened before pretty much obsolete? The Good Wife did that too at times but I don't remember it ever been that obvious (after season 1 at least, which felt the most like your average CBS procedural).

Hella said:

Did they change the intro for the second season? I really love it all of the sudden.

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Trump stuff wasn't in there before, otherwise it's the same, I think.

Boseman's expression when he learns of "the video" is priceless. I lost it.

Sloane said:

Trump stuff wasn't in there before, otherwise it's the same, I think.

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I guess I just didn't appreciate it, then! It's a really good jam, and the way it's tied into the visuals is just excellent.

And re: the smoking guns, I think it's just a matter of resolving the case in that episode, rather than leaving any question as to how it ends via continuances or contrived "you win" concessions from their opponent. The thing I've always appreciated about TGW/TGF is how the lawyers vigorously represent their clients without capitulation, unless entirely defeated. It feels more realistic to me (having no knowledge of how courts work at all!).

I thought this was the best episode of the season, mainly due to the focus on Boseman. I've always liked Delroy Lindo but he's fantastic on this show. The season has been pretty great overall besides the first two episodes which I felt were way too Maia scandal heavy.

really really liking the good fight. if it continues to excel like this, i could easily see this surpassing The Good Wife(even if this is an unfair comparison)

Can someone explain to me what the case of the week was actually about? I think I somehow missed that?

Also, I think I would have liked the opposing prosecutor, but her "wanna spar?" introduction felt like something out of Ace Attorney, and that colored my view of her throughout the episode. (All she needed was a whip...)

Hella said:

Did they change the intro for the second season? I really love it all of the sudden.

Also, really excellent episode today. Felt chillingly relevant.

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A majority of the objects that break are reused, but they retooled how all of them are paced and modified the music to get much more built up at the end. It makes a big difference!

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Edit: I recognize I'm doing the exact same crappy thing as the characters in the show, but... three days off of work when you have a child? Really? Is that child going to... get the attention it needs? In my eyes, this has less to do with Luca being a woman (sexism) and more to do with her being a single parent—there's no father to step in and help here.

Luca just seems to have this super nonchalant attitude about parenthood. Unless she's planning to put the kid up for adoption, this is going to change her life in a super dramatic way.

Wowfunhappy said:

Can someone explain to me what the case of the week was actually about? I think I somehow missed that?

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basically the guy they're representing gave out the address of the neonazi historical enthusiast kid on the internet and his house got burned

they're basically trying to prove the arsonist could have gotten the address somewhere else

caliph95 said:

basically the guy they're representing gave out the address of the neonazi historical enthusiast kid on the internet and his house got burned

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Thanks.

So, uh, I hate Neo Natzis as much as the next guy, but the judge really should have shut down that line of questioning as irrelevant to the case. Pretty blatant attempt to bias the jury.

Wowfunhappy said:

Thanks.

So, uh, I hate Neo Natzis as much as the next guy, but the judge really should have shut down that line of questioning as irrelevant to the case. Pretty blatant attempt to bias the jury.

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I should add it was publicly available information

I should watch the episode again but It's probably to show why his house would get burned

It was all for naught because the arsonist was arrested and revealed she'd never heard of the publication anyway. The case was more of a showcase for Boseman's newfound fame than anything else. Well, that and Matt Walsh's adorable turn as a hyper-competent judge.

Just what the show needed; someone running for office!

Good ep. Yeah the stuff with Lucca kinda feels good wifey. But I dig it tbh.

janusfilmsfan said:

Good ep. Yeah the stuff with Lucca kinda feels good wifey. But I dig it tbh.

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But she's taking a completely different approach compared to Alicia, which I'm glad we'll get to witness how things will unravel.

Shizuka said:

But she's taking a completely different approach compared to Alicia, which I'm glad we'll get to witness how things will unravel.

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Yeah I noticed that too. It's also interesting how the consultant dude was like "you can say anything now!" "We fucked in the courthouse bathroom" "okay maybe we need to massage this a bit" Lol

Well it's also TGW because that's the consultant who feuded with Eli Gold. :lol

But that's part of what's great about this universe - the coherency. Characters matter, whether it's a recurring judge or crazy lawyer.

(Treats it as a sign of Eli's glorious return)

It feels a little surreal having them involved directly with the DNC

Shizuka said:

But she's taking a completely different approach compared to Alicia, which I'm glad we'll get to witness how things will unravel.

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Yeah. I guess it bothers me a bit (not caring for these storylines on TGW aside) because the characters feel already pretty detached from each other. Except for Diane, Boseman, and Liz, they are pretty much all doing their own thing. Lucca is apparently being entirely defined by her pregnancy for the moment (a fair statement, I guess, but not exactly subtle), Colin is running for office now for some reason, Maia is entirely out of the loop...

I liked the campaign manager vs Lucca scene though, maybe they can find a fresh angle on this thing considering Colin's mother seems to be the driving force behind it.

I continue not to be a fan of all the Trump stuff but I thought the argument, the lawyers having to play up stereotypes even for the DNC, and Diane's and Liz' anger / frustration worked pretty well. Could have done without the goofy camera, one of those gimmicks per episode is usually enough, but oh well.

Not sure what to make of Marissa's boyfriend. Reminds me a little of Kalinda and her husband but I doubt they'd go there again.

Sloane said:

Yeah. I guess it bothers me a bit (not caring for these storylines on TGW aside) because the characters feel already pretty detached from each other. Except for Diane, Boseman, and Liz, they are pretty much all doing their own thing. Lucca is apparently being entirely defined by her pregnancy for the moment (a fair statement, I guess, but not exactly subtle), Colin is running for office now for some reason, Maia is entirely out of the loop...

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This show has been like that since the beginning IMO. I guess Luca and Dianne were somewhat more connected at the very beginning of season 1, but they diverged quickly.

This bothered me in The Good Wife, but not here, because it doesn't feel like anyone's plot is being rushed. Each is given the breathing room it needs.

At least there's no behind the scenes drama that forces characters to be in different plot

It's nice to be reminded that Jonathan Coulton is still alive:

Hella said:

It's nice to be reminded that Jonathan Coulton is still alive:

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As much as I enjoyed this, it seemed kind of random? They just dropped it in at the end.

So what is the endgame with Diane's hallucinations? I lost track of whether they were caused by that microdosing thing, or are trying to show that Diane is losing it (either via stress, or in general). I just can't see it going anywhere good for Diane, which bums me out.

I kiiiinda think they're foreshadowing Diane's demise, between that and the lawyer killing subplot. But it feels too on the nose to actually happen... so I dunno.

Wowfunhappy said:

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As much as I enjoyed this, it seemed kind of random? They just dropped it in at the end.

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It was totally random, indeed.

It seems like they wanted to start the episode off with that, or work it in somehow, but couldn't. And then thanks to the longer runtime they just plopped it in at the end. I was really expecting something to follow it up myself, but nope!

It's still awesome, though. Really glad I got to see it that way. My thought process was: maaan, this is so Jonathan Coulton. Too bad it couldn't possibly be him. I'll have to look up what he's doing n--OHMYGODITSHIM

I'm wondering if we'll ever get a Kalinda return. You know, it would settle the mystery of who the on set troublemaker was once and for all. Cause if only Julianna had a problem with her, I could see them bringing her back.

It was Juliana

Hella said:

So what is the endgame with Diane's hallucinations? I lost track of whether they were caused by that microdosing thing, or are trying to show that Diane is losing it (either via stress, or in general). I just can't see it going anywhere good for Diane, which bums me out.

I kiiiinda think they're foreshadowing Diane's demise, between that and the lawyer killing subplot. But it feels too on the nose to actually happen... so I dunno

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I think Diane is just stressed and losing it and not helped by the constant Trump news

Oh, I completely missed the thread.

What's up with Maia? S1 made it look like we were going to get into some huge-legal battle with plenty of mind games, but instead they literally dropped that sub-plot after two episodes. What?

I'm not feeling Diane either. Marissa is great on other hand and I'm loving Lucca's stuff, for once.

Taruranto said:

What's up with Maia? S1 made it look like we were going to get into some huge-legal battle with plenty of mind games, but instead they literally dropped that sub-plot after two episodes. What?

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I think they just decided they wanted to go in a different direction with the show.

But I also think there are a substantial number of hints that we're not done with the Maia Rindell case. Please excuse my quoting myself, but:

Wowfunhappy said:

Did anyone else notice how openly Diane and Liz were talking in the bar? Dianne literally says "why are you slipping us information?" Liz responds that she is "gunning" for the attorney's office. It's an open bar—anyone could have heard and recorded them, or testified to what they were saying. Couple this with how noticeably well-prepared Maia and Lucca were for Dianne Lockheart's "surprise" testimony—the judge remarks on how well they did—and the prosecution's assertion at the beginning that Maia's firm shouldn't be allowed to represent her at all due to Liz's partnership... I bet someone at the ASA's office is going to do some digging.

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Taruranto said:

Oh, I completely missed the thread.

What's up with Maia? S1 made it look like we were going to get into some huge-legal battle with plenty of mind games, but instead they literally dropped that sub-plot after two episodes. What?

I'm not feeling Diane either. Marissa is great on other hand and I'm loving Lucca's stuff, for once.

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really? i felt it was over when she helped to get her father back, so they dropped most charges.

Dio said:

really? i felt it was over when she helped to get her father back

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Yeah, same here. Her entire transformation from being the main character in season one to... whatever she is at the moment did feel a bit abrupt though admittedly.

Sloane said:

Yeah, same here. Her entire transformation from being the main character in season one to... whatever she is at the moment did feel a bit abrupt though admittedly.

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that i agree. while i like her character and think Rose Leslie is doing a great job, it does feel like they shifted gears and made Diane and Lucca the main characters. hopefully we'll see more development on her, given the marriage plot on that last ep.

Dio said:

really? i felt it was over when she helped to get her father back, so they dropped most charges.

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? Yeah, that's my issue. It ended too early.

I'm kinda glad they sideburnered the Rindell case. It was just such a bore with how long they were dragging out the "when will Maia realise her parents lie" angle. I imagine the way it conluded will return to haunt Maia somehow, but so long as it doesn't take over the show like in S1 I'll be fine with it.

Whoah. Return of Monica Timmons?!

Edit: she's a character from 2015 - the lawyer pitted against another for one job.

Great ep. Finally a case of the week that didn't end exactly as expected, some interesting conflict, no Colin, no CDC guy, and 45 only namedropped once. Also, Hoynes and Bingo Bob crossing paths was fun, even if only for a moment.

Yooo that preview for next week's ep though. Looks juicy.

Hella said:

I'm kinda glad they sideburnered the Rindell case. It was just such a bore with how long they were dragging out the "when will Maia realise her parents lie" angle. I imagine the way it conluded will return to haunt Maia somehow, but so long as it doesn't take over the show like in S1 I'll be fine with it.

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Oh absolutely. Glad they did what they did with Rindell. The show is way better for it.

THE P.P. TAPE

Good episode, I'm glad they are giving Jay a bit more depth. Hopefully they don't make Marissa too perfect, though.

Ohmygod that Trump judiciary appointee. It's too perfect.

Also glad this ep touched on the microdosing stuff. Was really wondering about that. And that explains Diane's hallucinations.


Season 2 just keeps getting better. Feels like the show is really hitting it's stride in terms of characters and storylines, balancing compelling courtroom stuff with the continuous plotlines going on. I also really love the show's scathing wit. Just wish it had the same 20+ episode seasons as The Good Wife, 'cause it totally deserves it.

Hella said:

Also glad this ep touched on the microdosing stuff. Was really wondering about that. And that explains Diane's hallucinations

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Oh yeah that explains it

But wasn't some of it on TV

caliph95 said:

Oh yeah that explains it

But wasn't some of it on TV

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Yeah, she saw some white house pig news story that no one knew anything about.

A pig in the white house, I mean that's just crazy.

Time just accelerating quickly, at least based on the pregnancy. It's weird because it's like I guess the random lawyer deaths just stopped happening and no one cares anymore?
Either way, I guess I'm glad they haven't bothered going back to the Rindell family drama.

Colin's storyline actually wasn't bad this ep, nice way to resolve that case — although I hope it doesn't mean the issue with his record is resolved just like that.

Also, I tend to avoid the preview but didn't this week. Really looking forward to

Poor Ogla.