Not if I've paid for the game. And when I said we shouldn't worry about corporations legal right, I meant that we shouldn't act as 'company lawyers' on the internet. They have lawyers and are well aware of their legal rights.
No, I don't want anyone to lose his/her job. But I don't think I should give up my legal right either.
Technically your legal right is to play the copyrighted material on the device it was supposed to. Also you have to hack your Switch to dump games, something which is not your legal right to do so. And lastly while you are allowed to "back-up" your games, the reason to do so is to literally have a "back-up" incase the original gets destroyed or lost. Not to play on an emulator.
Not that any of this would be enforced, just something to think about from an ethics perspective. Everyone has different ethics so this is something that would never be agreed on.
It's true that emulators are legal (if this isn't using copyrighted code to emulate the bios or drivers which I doubt is true this early) but emulation of things being currently sold by the copyright holder is essentially piracy if not in fact then in any logical way of thinking about it.
And even if you don't need a bios file that doesn't guarantee that the emulator was built with 100% original code and does not use copyrighted material, especially for one this new.
Technically your legal right is to play the copyrighted material on the device it was supposed to. Also you have to hack your Switch to dump games, something which is not your legal right to do so. And lastly while you are allowed to "back-up" your games, the reason to do so is to literally have a "back-up" incase the original gets destroyed or lost. Not to play on an emulator.
Not that any of this would be enforced, just something to think about from an ethics perspective. Everyone has different ethics so this is something that would never be agreed on.
Again, you're incorrect on both accounts. Your legal right is to play the material in whichever device you want to, and hacking your Switch is also your legal right.
Again, you're incorrect on both accounts. Your legal right is to play the material in whichever device you want to, and hacking your Switch is also your legal right.
Don't know what's the problem here.
Before Switch emulator can work somewhat well, pirated Switch will be a thing first.
Also platform maker does not make bulk of their profit from hardware sales.
As long as people buy software (which admittedly is not expected from emulator community), Nintendo should be happy.
I think pirated Switch is more of a threat to Nintendo since it's easier to do, but even then it won't affect their bottom line much.
4 pages of people fighting if it's legal to use emulators, fun fun.
Back to the topic of the emulator itself I worry a bit about the Switch turning into the next Dreamcast with stuff like this happening so soon, but with a hardware revision happening soon (if leaks are to be believed) I get a feeling it wont be as bad as it was with Sega if this does pick up.
Hey on the positive side at least we will be able to backup our game saves with this lol.
Computer programs that enable smartphones, tablets and portable all-purpose mobile computing devices, and smart televisions to execute lawfully obtained software applications, where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of such applications with computer programs on the smartphone or device, or to permit removal of software from the smartphone or device,
I'll think you'll find that games consoles are not covered by this, due to piracy. Whether the Switch is seen as an "all-purpose mobile computing device" or a games console is up for debate, yes.
Basically that exemption was to make jailbreaking iPhones legal.
I'm sorry, what else is there to discuss? A Switch emulator can get 2 games to the menu screen and also cause epileptic fits...cool? I'm not sure what is wrong with discussing the legality of emulators in an emulator thread...
Releasing an emulator during the active life of a console is wrong.
While interesting I can't support this and will actively go against it.
Forums should have rules against emulators and their current live counterpart.
When Nintendo's next console is out then I'm all for said emulation, but not until then.
Because it's a tired discussion that derails the topic at hand. If people care so much about it, they should make their own thread. Literally every emulation thread turns into this.
Aside of what people looking the other side and just talking how much they want X or Y game for 4K cause is not like anyone here is developing nor the project advances fast enough
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For me the perfect scenario would be an emulator that require an authentification from a bought game rather than a dump
I'd argue that even discussing this is derailing the thread. This is a thread about RyujinNX emulator and its progress, not legality of emulators. I recall previous place had a lot stricter moderation and any derailment resulted in bans. Currently, this thread is already derailed and nothing is being done about it.
I'd argue that even discussing this is derailing the thread. This is a thread about RyujinNX emulator and its progress, not legality of emulators. I recall previous place had a lot stricter moderation and any derailment resulted in bans. Currently, this thread is already derailed and nothing is being done about it.
The progress of RyujiNX, where it is at the point of being able to load retail games of a console that has been barely out for a year, surely gives reason to discuss the legality and ethics of it?
Yeah, and most people will pirate games on the Switch after its throughly hacked, but that doesn't mean owning a switch is legally grey, doesn't mean every switch user is a pirate and certainly derailing switch thread after switch thread talking about how the switch could be used for illegal uses wouldn't be allowed.
The progress of RyujiNX, where it is at the point of being able to load retail games of a console that has been barely out for a year, surely gives reason to discuss the legality and ethics of it?
The emulator itself is not illegal, I've already said that, but there are issues surrounding emulation that do raise questions as have already been said in this thread so I won't bother repeating.
The progress of RyujiNX, where it is at the point of being able to load retail games of a console that has been barely out for a year, surely gives reason to discuss the legality and ethics of it?
Not in this thread. Argument about emulator ethics can be brought up in any emulator thread, and it derails all emulator threads. This is why it was highly moderated in the previous place.
If people want to discuss emulator ethics/legality, it should be done in a new dedicated thread.
Not in this thread. Argument about emulator ethics can be brought up in any emulator thread, and it derails all emulator threads. This is why it was highly moderated in the previous place.
If people want to discuss emulator ethics/legality, it should be done in a new dedicated thread.
I was just sharing my opinion with the moderator that posted here. Not trying to backseat mod, but since you quoted me, I just responded. Of course this is just my opinion and mods here don't have to listen to it at all.
I mean, even if that's the case, what's the use in discussing it? People do morally questionable and illegal things with regards to movies, video games, and music all the time, but there are already laws in place to punish those who are caught.
This is about legal software, not people who may or may not illegally download games in the future.
The progress of RyujiNX, where it is at the point of being able to load retail games of a console that has been barely out for a year, surely gives reason to discuss the legality and ethics of it?
The only way to protect a platform against early emulation is to actually use high end hardware.
The thing is that the Switch isn't much different than the GBA, DS, etc. It is a portable that happens to let you plug it into your TV, too. Nintendo's portables were all emulated early too. Nothing surprising here.
This sounds awesome. So I'm guessing in a year or 2 we'll be able to probably play some games at higher resolutions and better frame rates. There's already some amazing screenshots on the PC Screenshot thread with Breath of the Wild. Can't wait to see what comes from this.
This is where I'm at. This isn't emulation of some old console that has long since ceased production, this is a very recent system that is widely available.
So while I'm not Switch emulation outright, I do think that you should own both the system and the games you're emulating before you do so.
Whether you disagree that it's useless doesn't change the fact that it stuffs up and obfuscates the actual thread-specific conversation in literally every emulator thread.
It's the same reason this kind of conversation is frowned on in other kinds of threads. For example, port begging. There is nothing wrong or useless about asking for a port and it's almost always relevant, but it is frowned upon because it fills up threads and detracts from the conversation they actually pertain to.
Actually it is useless. Zelda64 was emulated less than a year after its release. It did fine. There were GBA games that were leaked and emulated literally before you could buy them (Metroid Fusion, for example). Nintendo did fine.
It's going to happen, nothing's going to change, and you're wasting everyone's time by yammering on about it. If you're so concerned about it, tell Nintendo to start actually using modern hardware in their platforms again, which would be too demanding for modern PCs to emulate at full speed.
Whether you disagree that it's useless doesn't change the fact that it stuffs up and obfuscates the actual thread-specific conversation in literally every emulator thread.
It's the same reason this kind of conversation is frowned on in other kinds of threads. For example, port begging. There is nothing wrong or useless about asking for a port and it's almost always relevant, but it is frowned upon because it fills up threads and detracts from the conversation they actually pertain to.
I completely understand but if that discussion wasn't happening you would have 1 or 2 pages at most with many just saying "can't wait to play (Nintendo exclusive X) in 4K! We rarely have discussion about the technology behind the emulators because most of us are not emulation coders.
Of course if a mod/admin says to stop then I most certainly would.
It's going to happen, nothing's going to change, and you're wasting everyone's time by yammering on about it. If you're so concerned about it, tell Nintendo to start actually using modern hardware in their platforms again, which would be too demanding for modern PCs to emulate at full speed.
Proof are the 40+ people I met in my life with an emulator on their PC or phone who didn't pay for a single game on there. Enthusiast forums sure are full of people who actually buy their stuff before using an emulator, but the reality is it's way too convenient to just not pay for it when you don't have to. (Granted, most of them played older games, but definetly not all of them). This is like asking of proof that god doesn't exist. We can all be damn sure about that but we can't prove it. Only thing that's missing is you going "checkmate, dirty console buyer."
And before you call anecdotal evidence, 40+ people is quite a number compared to the 0 people I met who bought games without owning the console to then emulate the game legally.
Seriously, the amount of corporate sycophancy on this site is truly horrifying - I've yet to come across anything quite like it. It seem a huge portion of people on here would love nothing better than to live within a corporate dystopia. The hypocritical part is that these very same people will be up in arms about social injustices and left-wing politics 5 minutes later.
I'm someone who pays to use someone elses product, I'm oldschool like that. Or what was your post supposed to adress if not piracy?
Because if the companies get their money anyway since everyone using an emulator is so earnest and buys the games before emulating then what are those sycophants so up in arms about? How is running an emulator fighting against a corporate dystopia if you buy their shit anyway?
See, I have nothing against emulation. But when people told me it's used for preservation purposes in a thread about an emulator running BotW (which wasn't even out at that point) I have to laugh.
I completely understand but if that discussion wasn't happening you would have 1 or 2 pages at most with many just saying "can't wait to play (Nintendo exclusive X) in 4K! We rarely have discussion about the technology behind the emulators because most of us are not emulation coders.
Of course if a mod/admin says to stop then I most certainly would.
I completely understand but if that discussion wasn't happening you would have 1 or 2 pages at most with many just saying "can't wait to play (Nintendo exclusive X) in 4K! We rarely have discussion about the technology behind the emulators because most of us are not emulation coders.
Of course if a mod/admin says to stop then I most certainly would.
Not every thread has to be arguing about the same subject over and over. You do not know what kind of conversation could possibly pop up in a given thread. Some are just updated when there's news.
