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Haha I liked it when...

  • the AI girl joked about eating cats

    Votes: 7 4.5%
  • they referenced Minecraft

    Votes: 10 6.5%
  • all the characters stayed locked in a one dimensional trope

    Votes: 9 5.8%
  • I felt the last of my soul leave my body

    Votes: 128 83.1%

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Ororo

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Oct 27, 2017
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What's the point though? The IP only has meaning to old fans since it's otherwise unknown to today's kids. To younger generations, it might as well be a new IP, it requires the same marketing push as if it were one.

ReBoot was a show that really captured my imagination when I was a child, and I know this show wouldn't have had the same impact on me.

I'm not feeling entitled, I'm honestly asking, you say that Reboot fans are not the target audience for the new Reboot show; so what is the target market then? If this show named Reboot using the Reboot IP and characters isn't meant for people who know what the Reboot IP and characters are, then who exactly are you saying it's for? What is this mysterious audience that would watch a show because of the IP, that are not fans of the show?

The target audience is kids who have no idea what ReBoot is, hell most kids who grew up during the time of ReBoot don't know what ReBoot is besides maybe recognizing the designs. It's obvious they're not going to launch a new series based on an old IP that no one knew back then unless they radically changed it. ReBoot isn't exactly an evergreen IP.

By your logic do you really think they revive TMNT for the old fans? No, they don't mind the older audience but they want kids watching it. TMNT is not a great example since that is indeed an evergreen property so unlike reboot it's been tested to work over a long time while ReBoot hasn't.

And as I mentioned I think so far it was a mistake for them to use ReBoot as now you have all these angry neckbeards writing bad reviews when they aren't the target audience. If you take the ReBoot debacle out, is the show really that bad? It's a bit rough but I see potential in it and if we compare it to say ReBoot's first season then it's vastly superior. Really, the original ReBoot isn't that great either: Season 1 is bad, it's decent in season 2 and gets good in season 3, S4 is a mixed bag.

These first 10 episodes don't seem to be all of season 1 either, Netflix has been splitting their kids shows (the target audience) in half to make the wait not seem as long between new episodes so I'm guessing we'll be getting 10 more episodes in a few months to end the season. I do think the show while having weak episodes had some good ones and near the end you could start to see story arcs being set up.

I think the second part of season 1 should be more interesting and things will get a lot better instead of being so episodic. Also based on the last episode I'm guessing they WILL include more of the ReBoot mythology and connections that you guys want. These last two things are pure speculation but even if not The Last Guardian is an alright kids VR show if nothing else once you take away the ReBoot branding, we're not the target audience so as of now it's not doing much for me but this is the type of show I would've loved as a kid and people when they review shows as an adult forget that.
 

Dreamwriter

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Oct 27, 2017
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TMNT *is* for the old fans, as much as newer ones, just like the Transformers movies. That's the point of making a new show based on an old IP, not only introduce new audiences to it, but also make money off of the old audience, plus people will have heard of the old series so will watch it just based on the recognizable name. It's like the new Scooby Doo prequel movie - kids these days haven't grown up with Scooby Doo, so they made a movie that can get those kids interested, while still keeping it similar enough to the original show to make money off of original fans, even if it only has two members of the original gang. The trailer really gives the sense of a Scooby Doo mystery. Otherwise they might as well just make an entirely new show with a new IP that wouldn't require paying for the rights to use the IP.

You still haven't said who you think the target audience is, if it isn't us. What is this target audience for whom the Reboot license makes sense over creating an entirely new IP, such as "VR Guardians" or some such? So far your only reason for the "Reboot" license being a bad idea is so they don't annoy "angry neckbeards" (great way to make a reasonable argument, insulting people who you don't agree with).

Note, I'm not talking about the quality of the show at all. I'm asking who you think this target audience is, since you say the target audience is not people who have seen the original series.
 

cervanky

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Oct 27, 2017
1,296
And as I mentioned I think so far it was a mistake for them to use ReBoot as now you have all these angry neckbeards writing bad reviews when they aren't the target audience. If you take the ReBoot debacle out, is the show really that bad?
I don't think the show is bad because it's different from the original ReBoot. I think the show is bad judged independently, and it's just a shame that it happens to be using an IP that was once a great children's property.

It's not just ReBoot, my feelings aren't it aren't defined as someone who only cares about this IP. For instance, similarly, I think the new Peter Rabbit film is trash. It's trash on its own merit, but it's doubly insulting that a film where characters based on quaint Beatrix Potter books try to kill the antagonist with food allergies forcing him to use an EpiPen. I would rather read the original books to children than show them that film, not because it's different, but because the film is poor. The film critic Mark Kermode has a similar complaint as these fans of ReBoot, asking why bother using an IP that had quiet stories with all this care and attention put into them when they could have just used a new IP like "Annoying Rabbit".

It was regrettable that the former female main character from ReBoot was relegated to essentially a damsel in distress in Episode 10 of TGC. Dot didn't do anything but act fearful and smooch Bob, while she was always a strong character in the original show from the first episode of Season 1. You have to understand, I know I'm not the target audience, but I can still identify crap when I see it. I don't care about continuity, I'm not looking for answers to a cliffhanger I watched when I was 10. I'm saying this not as a fan of a children's show from 20 years ago, but as someone who'd decide whether or not to show a child a television program.

There are plenty of good shows for kids to watch. The bar is high. Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Star vs The Forces is Evil, and so on. They inspire the imagination and recognize that children are complex and capable of understanding all sorts of things. It's a shame own its own that a show like TGC is put out there for kids.
 
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I found my Binome rough concepts I did for Rainmaker back in May 2014

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Oh wow, I'm surprised you can share this, thanks! :) Any other pieces you can share?

Edit: Oh shit, you have! :D
 

Ororo

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Oct 27, 2017
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TMNT *is* for the old fans, as much as newer ones, just like the Transformers movies. That's the point of making a new show based on an old IP, not only introduce new audiences to it, but also make money off of the old audience, plus people will have heard of the old series so will watch it just based on the recognizable name. It's like the new Scooby Doo prequel movie - kids these days haven't grown up with Scooby Doo, so they made a movie that can get those kids interested, while still keeping it similar enough to the original show to make money off of original fans, even if it only has two members of the original gang. The trailer really gives the sense of a Scooby Doo mystery. Otherwise they might as well just make an entirely new show with a new IP that wouldn't require paying for the rights to use the IP.

See, you're wrong right there, TMNT is not for old fans, you're confusing marketing strategies. TMNT is for kids, it's a kids property, especially now that Viacom bought it. They might make some products where they have a wider target demographic like the Platinum Dunes movies (which failed) and the IDW comic among other nostalgic merchandising aimed at adults. The 2012 show was still a kids show, the fact that adults could enjoy it was an extra, Rise of the TMNT is getting a backlash because entitled nerds think they need to be catered to when in the end as long as they're making money, they don't care. Geek culture has become mainstream and companies are marketing more to a different crowd but don't confuse that as being the real target audience, especially not comparing evergreen properties like TMNT or Marvel to smaller niche ones.

Kids don't need to be introduced to series as you say, I watched so many shows without knowing anything about them as a kid just fine. I watched Scooby-Doo incarnations like 13 ghosts without having watched anything prior and you can bet my dad who had watched Scooby-Doo didn't care to watch a new cartoon of a pup named Scooby Doo and yet it was my favorite interpretation.

I do agree with your last point, when you make something so different then it hurts it, the scooby formula is evergreen because it's proven to work over different generations. ReBoot was not proven to be an evergreen show however. And having the ReBoot name IS hurting the show as everyone is reviewing it negatively because it's not ReBoot. I mentioned in the review I linked that the show would do a lot better if it didn't have the ReBoot baggage.


You still haven't said who you think the target audience is, if it isn't us. What is this target audience for whom the Reboot license makes sense over creating an entirely new IP, such as "VR Guardians" or some such? So far your only reason for the "Reboot" license being a bad idea is so they don't annoy "angry neckbeards" (great way to make a reasonable argument, insulting people who you don't agree with).

Note, I'm not talking about the quality of the show at all. I'm asking who you think this target audience is, since you say the target audience is not people who have seen the original series.

It's clearly not us as the target audience, I mean they hope old fans can like it but they know a few neckbeards can't carry a show. And I don't mean neckbeards as a way to insult, just to categorize that we're not who it's intended for, it's a stereotype that they even use in the actual show on the last episode. And I did answer who the target audience is: Kids, kids who will catch this on TV or Netflix and like it with all the hype that VR has which is still there despite what "neckbeards" may think, I mean it's no coincidence the show launched the week that Ready Player One came out.

Yes, I agree a new IP would've been better for what they're doing (at least so far), I would've gladly preferred that as it's more like Power Rangers than anything else and I think a VR Power Rangers is a really cool idea.

Why are they using the ReBoot IP? I already mentioned it but I think Rainmaker/Mainframe love ReBoot, and after unsuccessfully trying to get the show going, they opted for a new concept and sneaking ReBoot in it. Based on episode 10 I also think they will try to incorporate more stuff going forward.

I don't think the show is bad because it's different from the original ReBoot. I think the show is bad judged independently, and it's just a shame that it happens to be using an IP that was once a great children's property.

It was regrettable that the former female main character from ReBoot was relegated to essentially a damsel in distress in Episode 10 of TGC. Dot didn't do anything but act fearful and smooch Bob, while she was always a strong character in the original show from the first episode of Season 1. You have to understand, I know I'm not the target audience, but I can still identify crap when I see it. I don't care about continuity, I'm not looking for answers to a cliffhanger I watched when I was 10. I'm saying this not as a fan of a children's show from 20 years ago, but as someone who'd decide whether or not to show a child a television program.

There are plenty of good shows for kids to watch. The bar is high. Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Star vs The Forces is Evil, and so on. They inspire the imagination and recognize that children are complex and capable of understanding all sorts of things. It's a shame own its own that a show like TGC is put out there for kids.

It's difficult to put your bias aside even when trying to be neutral about a show, you can think it's bad, that's fine. I think it's a bit mediocre so far but it has potential to get better since I like the concept and they started laying seeds for story arcs in the later episodes. I may be wrong but I wouldn't call the show trash, I'm just not the target audience, if I were a little kid I would've loved it. Many of us loved Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers as kids and yet it wasn't all that different from this show. and had no level of "complexity". The idea of going into virtual worlds was always something I wanted to see more of as a kid and I'm sure many kids will fill their imaginations with this idea.

Let's also not act like ReBoot was a different show, its first season is extremely rough and I think this show has a better first season than the original show had. Dot was not that much of a "strong" female character at all during that first season, we saw that evolve as well as the other characters. Episode 10 showed us the characters in their season 1 characterization, it's not "web corrupted' Bob and Enzo is a kid, sure that may need some explanation but I guess the system just rebooted like Season 4 tried to explain or whatever. It was done for fan service more than to further the original ReBoot plot similar to Turtles Forever which can't really fit in the original show of TMNT's continuity very well. They were also trying to re-create the "bad" CG of the 90s, because the rest of the CG characters are really cool even if not all the set pieces so those criticisms that "the cg is worse than the 90s" didn't seem to get it, they were meant to look like their season 1 counterparts, Dot even has the uniboob.
 

cervanky

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Let's also not act like ReBoot was a different show, its first season is extremely rough and I think this show has a better first season than the original show had. Dot was not that much of a "strong" female character at all during that first season, we saw that evolve as well as the other characters.
In the third episode of Season 1, Dot gets sick and Bob tries to find a cure. Before he can get the cure, a game cube falls. Within the game, Bob hears Dot's screams from a castle. He heads there to rescue her, only to find Enzo with a voice-changing megaphone.
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Dot shows up in knight armor and fights the User.
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After the game's finished, Bob finds out that Dot didn't need his help and that before the game cube fell she got the cure herself.

The whole storyline played with expectations of a woman in need of rescue, not that unlike what they do with a character like Princess Bubblegum in Adventure Time. And it was in 1994 - not that this was super progressive for the time or anything, but the seeds were there right from the start, it wasn't some shift in character that she became commander of Mainframe in Season 3, it was natural progression.

Yes, the first season was rough, but I'm not down for this sort of revisionist history, here. It's pretty pathetic when a show from 1994 has more complex storylines and characterization than something from 2018:

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If you asked a kid about Dot's character in this episode, what would they say? There's nothing at all they could say, except that she was Bob's girlfriend. If you asked me about Dot in 1994, my child self would tell you that she owns a diner and fights Megabyte.

Finally, the show's creator talked about how they were specifically targeting both children and adults. Michael Hefferson said,
YTV also wanted a show with co-viewing appeal, so we wanted to reach kids but also hook parents and older siblings. So we went with a live action–animation hybrid, to expand our audience range by making characters and topics more relatable, because the characters are real kids dealing with the fallout of the cyberverse.
I don't think that worked out for them.
 
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firehawk12

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Oct 25, 2017
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I assume they wanted this show to be for kids, because they're not really hitting the nostalgia button that hard anyway.
 

Lagamorph

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm kind of hopeful that since season 1 was a "this or nothing" then season 2 might start up with a bit more nostalgia and maybe tying up some of the Season 4 loose ends, if only in flashbacks.
 

elgato

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dot would have never cowered behind Enzo. From the very first episode, she was portrayed as a confident, if not overly self absorbed, business woman who was protective of her little brother.

I'm kind of hopeful that since season 1 was a "this or nothing" then season 2 might start up with a bit more nostalgia and maybe tying up some of the Season 4 loose ends, if only in flashbacks.

From the leaked plot synopsises, don't expect the last 10 episodes to offer any of that.
 

gryvan

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Oct 25, 2017
487
So i didn't finish this show yet but I already have a huge issue with 3/4 of the "actors" and switching between VAing their cyber forms and their real self was like...

Like all the 4 main characters of the guys/girl don't have...emotion to their dialogues..I don't know if this is just me or not. Even their battle scenes were like "whoa" instead of "WHOAA!!!!"

The actress for VERA is doing an amazing job though and keeping up with the dialogue as a sentient AI.

Megabyte VA was very good as well

The sourcerer.....................he is trying too hard...
 

Sovan Jedi

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Oct 30, 2017
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I looked up some videos. I have to admit, Megabyte's voice actor does a really great job with the character, even though he doesn't sound much like Tony Jay.
 

Kamek

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yo the sourceror is so bad he's good. Whoever said that was right. I'm on episode 5 and it's just making me laugh
 

gryvan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok I'm sorry but i'm just gonna say this

who in the world puts a news title as "Sourcerer hacks Hurricane"
LOL
 

gryvan

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Oct 25, 2017
487
Did...did I just see the last episode as one of the original writers of Reboot turning it into his personal fan fiction by incorporating himself into the show where it then leads into his personal wet dream of 25 years? am I saying this right?
 

DrEvil

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I don't mind all that. But the writing of this new show is just so cringy. I watch plenty of kids shows and enjoy many of them. THIS kids show is just terrible so far. I can't even get through an episode... I still talk to a lot of ex-Mainframe ppl on FB and it's universally panned by all of them. Especially those who worked on this reboot early on.


Can you tell us what it was going to be originally? When did things change? I'd love to know more about the history of this, even if it's via PM.
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can you tell us what it was going to be originally? When did things change? I'd love to know more about the history of this, even if it's via PM.
There's this anonymous account that was posted in the other thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...iler-it-looks-awful.24934/page-8#post-4992640

Although there's at least one factual error in it. He warns that the episode 10 fanservice episode is just as badly written and acted as the other episodes, but... it's not "just as bad", it's significantly worse.
 

mas8705

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Oct 27, 2017
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So yeah... Didn't have anything else better to do today, so leave it to netflix to suggest another thing to watch that made me question why (and should have taken the first hint that Netflix was telling me to go screw myself after suggesting to watch the Emoji movie)...

Now, I have no idea where to start with this show, so I'll list out a small list of "Concerns"

1) Why didn't we establish this "game" they were playing? I feel like if we had some bits of a context of this game and how they are seen as the best players, that'd be a good way to then phase into the actual "That was training" trope instead of "These are the best players, now watch them fight insects!"

2) So somewhere inbetween 20 years worth of progress in technology, we seriously didn't see any other more dangerous viruses than Megabyte? You'd think that we'd have a newer villain or something and then from there, have Megabyte come out so that perhaps he could either work with the newer villain or plan a coup d'etat. Sure, it is great for those who followed the series, but that leaves others to question his involvement if he is literally playing second fiddle to our anonymous "Sourceror." Speaking of...

3) Part of me was banking on the fact that this guy was actually our lead protag's daddy that was assumed to be dead and is just hiding wherever he's at to seek vengeance against blah blah blah. Again, I feel like if he is our lead baddie here, you'd think he would have either made his uber virus himself or took Megabyte, studied him and went from there to "improve" the model rather than just hitting the "Upgrade!" button. Of course, I feel like we're going to have a case to where either he will get his own way to get zapped into the interwebs, or Megabyte will find a way to get out so that he can track down the guy who keeps zapping him everytime he hits delete. Also I get the idea that he is a lowlife and all, but do we really need to play him up in every aspect possible of how he is a messy eater, drinks chunky milk, and overreacts with his "NO! NO! NO!" or "That's impossible! It's not possible!" or something that makes him off like a villain from the same era as the original reboot? Also I do have to admit that the whole "Sourceror Hacks Hurricane" part definitely left me rolling my eyes pretty hard. You'd think that the government would try and keep that small detail out of the public and say "Freak Storm Approaching City!" just so that it makes it seem as though this impossibility isn't happening because a weather satellite apparently can hack the weather. Part of me wonders if they came up with this episode idea after looking at Geostorm and rolling with it before the film came out and they didn't realize that it was going to be a bad flick before it was too late...

4) Is it me? or does the action seem to go by a bit too fast? I know it can't be all drama or action at the same time, but I feel like I'm getting too distracted by their walking animations that fights just come and go faster than I can enjoy them. I guess if anything else, the pacing feels off at times.

5) Can't say that many of the episodes stood out as good. They range from ok to "Why did they greenlight this?" Then we get to... that last episode. I admit that I looked through the Netflix episodes to read the descriptions for the heck of it and saw that there was going to be a callback episode...

...

And this was painful. I mean, I know I can't recall that many things about my childhood, but I can remember watching Reboot and catching onto a few things like... And I'm throwing this out there- What the hell happened to Enzo? Mind you that it took me a moment to remind myself of the "twist" that happened towards the end of the series, but you'd think that if we had those callbacks, we would have seen the other Enzo too (but I guess not). That and I'm wondering if they actually did retcon a few things such as with Hexadecimal. Mind you I don't know what happened during the last part of the series (since if I recall correctly, it either got cut halfway through or something), but didn't she get her face fixed up to where she could talk rather than freezed faces? I can understand if she is still seen as a bad guy, but that was one inconsistancy that left me scratching my head.

6) I know that the guy in the basement was supposed to be fan service too, but was that to show that Reboot really did exist in this world? If so, I feel like there would need to be some explanation of how Reboot was still relevant to get this sudden reappearance (much like how this show got onto netflix). Also where's Mike the TV? Yeah, he was a throw away character, but it'd be nice (or at least he being the catalyst of bad things about to happen like before) to see him and how you could find more ways to drive the characters insane.

So yeah.... I can't say it was something I liked, but I feel like if we were to compare this to other "Netflix rehashes" that we've had lately, this one doesn't go into full on "screw the fanbase!" mode. It isn't good, but if I was to look at it with other things that I've seen on Netflix, I say this was tolerable at best. Probably going to stick with Voltron and MST3K (and Stranger things).
 

Shogmaster

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Can you tell us what it was going to be originally? When did things change? I'd love to know more about the history of this, even if it's via PM.
When I started on the project in May 2014, it was already set as mix of live action and CG with high school kids in power rangers-esque set up. So everything was pretty much as is now back then when I got hired as freelancer. I didn't like it but I'm just a for hired grunt for visual development with no influence on the script.

I knew that this was Rainmaker, and OG Reboot creators weren't involved anymore (Ian Pierson, Gavin Blair, Brandon McCarthy etc.), but the Art Director who contacted me for the gig was on the original Season 3 crew with me so there was that silver lining. Honestly I kinda knew that the live action bits would be cheesy and sucky (had copy of early script and it did not read well lol) but the end results went beyond my expectations on that front.
 

DrEvil

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When I started on the project in May 2014, it was already set as mix of live action and CG with high school kids in power rangers-esque set up. So everything was pretty much as is now back then when I got hired as freelancer. I didn't like it but I'm just a for hired grunt for visual development with no influence on the script.

I knew that this was Rainmaker, and OG Reboot creators weren't involved anymore (Ian Pierson, Gavin Blair, Brandon McCarthy etc.), but the Art Director who contacted me for the gig was on the original Season 3 crew with me so there was that silver lining. Honestly I kinda knew that the live action bits would be cheesy and sucky (had copy of early script and it did not read well lol) but the end results went beyond my expectations on that front.


Was the storyline similar back then? Or did it closely tie into the OG show more? I oddly remember some of the earlier promo stuff having more hints of bob and such in it.
 

Shogmaster

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Then why the hell did it take another 4 years? I always assumed it changed direction a million times and that was the reason for all the delay.
That's a good question. I'd imagine the funding was the main issue. Paying few concept artists vs actual production is order of magnitude difference in budget...
 

DrEvil

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That's a good question. I'd imagine the funding was the main issue. Paying few concept artists vs actual production is order of magnitude difference in budget...

Was Unreal 4 always the intended rendering tool? I wonder if that had something to do with it. Any insight into the development/animation pipeline process from your end?
 

elgato

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Then why the hell did it take another 4 years? I always assumed it changed direction a million times and that was the reason for all the delay.

The show was greenlit by YTV in mid-2015. For the following year, that was when script writing happened. The live action shoots were supposed to take place in late summer 2016, but got delayed to early 2017.
 

DrEvil

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The show was greenlit by YTV in mid-2015. For the following year, that was when script writing happened. The live action shoots were supposed to take place in late summer 2016, but got delayed to early 2017.

Yeah but I'm pretty sure mainframe/rainmaker had a reboot renaissance planned for years.. I remember they were gonna be 3 films or something at one point, too.
 

elgato

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Yeah but I'm pretty sure mainframe/rainmaker had a reboot renaissance planned for years.. I remember they were gonna be 3 films or something at one point, too.

The movie trilogy was passively worked on between 2007 and 2011. The problem Rainmaker had was that no one wanted to fund them. The company's gone through a lot of different management over the years. The people responsible for trying to get the movie trilogy made aren't the people behind TGC and neither were behind the original series.

Did they bring any of the old voices back for Bob and company?

Bob, Dot and Hex have their original voice actors. Megabyte's passed away years ago and Enzo was voiced by a bunch of child actors back in the day. Just note that outside of Megabyte, the original characters are currently limited to just one episode, the 10th.
 

Turbo Tu-Tone

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Now is probably a good time to note that Megabyte's new VA sounds nothing like Tony Jay, but the new guy is absolutely killing it. The actor is doing a fantastic job portraying Megabyte, and I totally did not expect that.
The one and only thing I was truly (morbidly) curious about. Will give it a watch when I get home.
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Then why the hell did it take another 4 years? I always assumed it changed direction a million times and that was the reason for all the delay.
TV shows can take a long time to get going.

The original ReBoot came out in 1994, but here's Mainframe in 1990 trying to get it made.



The movie trilogy was passively worked on between 2007 and 2011. The problem Rainmaker had was that no one wanted to fund them. The company's gone through a lot of different management over the years. The people responsible for trying to get the movie trilogy made aren't the people behind TGC and neither were behind the original series.
Funding has always been a pretty big issue for ReBoot.

Seasons 1&2 (1994-1996) apparently did okay because ABC was paying the bills (in addition to YTV's small share), but then Disney bought ABC, and ABC cut ReBoot loose.

For season 3 (97-98 in Canada, 98-99 in America) they decided to fund themselves and try their luck in the syndication market (basically the free agents of TV shows, not tied to any networks), but it didn't work out as well as they had hoped (largely due to a downturn in the syndication market), so ReBoot was cancelled.

But right around this time, the Cartoon Network grew into prominence, and Mainframe convinced them to produce a season 4 in 2001. But CN didn't like it's ratings so they cancelled it mid-season, resulting in the cliffhanger. Because of the financial blow, Mainframe's shareholders kicked out Ian Pearson, Gavin Blair left with him, and Mainframe ceased to be the Mainframe we knew and loved.

In 2006, Rainmaker bought out Mainframe, but that hardly mattered. Rainmaker wasn't to blame for the sorry state of Mainframe or ReBoot. They didn't replace anyone who anyone knew or cared about. And they apparently tried to fix things, but it doesn't matter since nothing came of their attempts.

And then Michael Heffron came along in 2012 to block a Chinese hostile takeover bid, and he made his own push to try and bring back ReBoot, focused on super-low budget so it could be made with just Rainmaker and YTV, and got lucky timing with the rise of Netflix. It's just a shame Michael Heffron isn't even a fraction of the showrunner that Ian Pearson was.
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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Bumping for this vid. Great recap of what made the original so exciting, the long, arduous road to the revival and the incredible disappointment that we ultimately got.

 
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BADMAN

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Bumping for this vid. Great recap of what made the original so exciting, the long, arduous road to the revival and the incredible disappointment that we ultimately got.



My heart goes out to Wollie. For as much as this show pains me I know it pains him a million times more. RIP Reboot.
 

Cheerilee

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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Bumping for this vid. Great recap of what made the original so exciting, the long, arduous road to the revival and the incredible disappointment that we ultimately got.


As an aside, it feels weird when people give Michael Heffron crap for naming the main character after his son, when Ian Pearson = Old Man Pearson (aka Talon), Gavin Blair = The Crimson Binome (real name Gavin), and Phil Mitchell = Mr Mitchell (one of Dot's occasionally referenced major accounts, and the owner of the yacht Dot commandeered to rescue Bob from the pirates). Among many other personal references, I'm sure.

And a couple weeks ago I rewatched Percy Jackson and the Olympians, and the main character has dyslexia and ADHD, because the author's kid has dyslexia and ADHD, and it seems like everyone who hears that says "Awww, how sweet."

It just seems weird that people give the showrunner crap for doing something nice for his kid which has literally zero impact on anyone else, in a show that's already famous for these sorts of little references. There are plenty of other, better reasons to give this show crap.
 
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BADMAN

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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As an aside, it feels weird when people give Michael Heffron crap for naming the main character after his son, when Ian Pearson = Old Man Pearson (aka Talon), Gavin Blair = The Crimson Binome (real name Gavin), and Phil Mitchell = Mr Mitchell (one of Dot's occasionally referenced major accounts, and the owner of the yacht Dot commandeered to rescue Bob from the pirates). Among many other personal references, I'm sure.

And a couple weeks ago I rewatched Percy Jackson and the Olympians, and the main character has dyslexia and ADHD, because the author's kid has dyslexia and ADHD, and it seems like everyone who hears that says "Awww, how sweet."

It just seems weird that people give the showrunner crap for doing something nice for his kid which has literally zero impact on anyone else, in a show that's already famous for these sorts of little references. There are plenty of other, better reasons to give this show crap.

Wow that's petty as fuck. Bad form from the fans doing this.
 

DarthButcher

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Oct 30, 2017
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Enzom21 I just want you to know that back in the old GAF days, I commissioned the Matrix Scribblenauts avatar. You're welcome. ;)

I actually binge watched this last week while I was sick, it did not help me get any better. The last episode almost felt like a slap in the face to both me and my childhood. It's always fun when a show decides to give an open-handed slap in the face to its audience. I can't believe anyone at Rainmaker thought that was a good idea.