Pretty sure 12 months is the maximum penalty, fair play
Edit: our test team is going to be so so bad for a while. It might actually improve the one day lineup though.
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Pretty sure 12 months is the maximum penalty, fair play
Edit: our test team is going to be so so bad for a while. It might actually improve the one day lineup though.
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Something feels so off about this whole thing that my lust for punishment isn't satisfied with just Warner suffering long term.
The punishments are in line with what I proposed but the fact that nobody else has gone down with them is nonsense. Did the coach not know? The leadership group was just two players? Not one bowler was in on it?
Yeah right.
A little more info:
Smith is banned from any leadership position for a further 12 months after his ban is up, Warner is banned forever from leadership. 100 Hours of community service as well, cricket service I assume, it's not a criminal offence.
Smith is banned from any leadership position for a further 12 months after his ban is up, Warner is banned forever from leadership. 100 Hours of community service as well, cricket service I assume, it's not a criminal offence.
How long did Atherton/Du Plessis/Inzamam/Afridi/Philander/Dravid/Tendulkar get suspended for?
I think you'll find Bancroft is serving longer than all those combined.
Don't get on your high horse about convenient punishments.
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Do you think Steve Smith should be allowed to captain his country again?
Your question is stupid and irrelevant.
I was saying you're silly to call the suspensions convenient.
They clearly aren't when compared to every sanction that's come before this.
I was saying you're silly to call the suspensions convenient.
They clearly aren't when compared to every sanction that's come before this.
Doesn't matter what I think it is. It's way bigger than anyone has received before. Calling it convenient betray's your ignorance.
No other country would or has banned players found guilty of this, so fair play to Australia. The problem with their decision is that it is ludicrous that only these knew. Also, it is time that everyone has a decision on what is and isn't fair play because a lot of teams are dancing along the line between what is and isn't acceptable to do to a ball.
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I'm not Australian. Been there, got best friends who live all around the country there and even I know that Cricket is a huge part of their sporting fabric. Its something that is heavily invested both financially and culturally. For them, who already have one of the best teams in the world, to have been blatantly caught in a cynical conspiracy between their two skippers and a great young opening batsman to tar the team's name, to let down the blue chip sponsors, and their public, this is minimal punishment IMO. If they could have banned Smith and Warner for longer, I think they would have.
Are there any Aussies in the thread who might disagree with the above?
Are there any Aussies in the thread who might disagree with the above?
A minimal punishment would have been a £2,000 fine.
This most probably ends Warner's and Bancroft's international careers. No-one else has had such ramifications.
This most probably ends Warner's and Bancroft's international careers. No-one else has had such ramifications.
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Warner, maybe because he's been in enough spats and controversies before this incident.
If you don't think Bancroft will be brought back into the side then you're incredibly naive. Mohammad Amir was banned for 5 years for something way worse and made his way back into the Pakistan team.
If you don't think Bancroft will be brought back into the side then you're incredibly naive. Mohammad Amir was banned for 5 years for something way worse and made his way back into the Pakistan team.
Comparing this to previous punishments ignores the fact that those could be argued to be one individual acting in the spur of the moment (We all know that's kinda BS, but there's enough to argue for a reasonable doubt) while this one was a group of players getting together and planning a method to scuff up the ball and even taking materials onto the field with which to enact that plan.
Bancroft is doubtful. He's young so he may but he was already on the way out.
Selectors will have to be compelled by desperation or compelling form to look at him again.
Selectors will have to be compelled by desperation or compelling form to look at him again.
Mike Selvey was on the TV the other day and mentioned an elite umpire told him that a trick the umpires often do to avoid officially changing the ball for ball tampering is to use the rings they use for the women's matches. The men's ball doesn't fit through them so they pretend the ball has gone out of shape and use that as an excuse to change the ball without having to deal with the bother of saying someone has tampered with the ball
I think this is a really harsh but appropriate penalty that only escalated to this level because of the specific Australian culture's aversion to cheating and the public's huge reaction.
I wouldn't mind all instances of ball tampering being punished this harshly from now on. When you look at past punishments it's all really minor stuff like just losing their match fees. This is the biggest punishment by far for ball tampering and even though this is different because of the premeditated aspect, it's going to look really bad from here, for whatever cricketing board has to do it, if the next instance of ball tampering is only punished by match fee.
Anyways a whole year for Smith is huge, losing millions of dollars for him, losing the most prestigious position in Australian cricket, not being able to play for Australia while being in the prime of his career, not being able to play IPL either, having eternal shame brought upon him now in the cricket history books. The team gets punished too by not having the best batsman in the world available to play. This is a harsh punishment and any more would be excessive.
I don't get the argument that premeditation is what separates this incident from others. Stuffing your pockets full of mints so you can produce a mouthful of ball polish on demand is premeditated. Ball tampering in general isn't a spur of the moment, accidental foul type of thing, it's something that requires repeated attention during the downtime of a match in order to create an advantage in another part of play.
This is a good article written around the second time Du Plessis was charged for tampering:
http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-ball-tampering-the-making-of-a-ball-4397263/
This is a good article written around the second time Du Plessis was charged for tampering:
http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-ball-tampering-the-making-of-a-ball-4397263/
I don't think so, club cricket is the max in Australia. Obviously CA can't stop them playing in one of the various T20 leagues or bar them from taking up a county contract.
Channel Nine, as late as last night, bought the Tennis coverage beating Seven and maybe others. After the last week and now this, I suspect CA will not be getting anywhere near the amount of cash for TV rights they hoped for not that long ago.
Yeah that's the forgotten, but maybe most significant sting in the tail. Sutherland's probably fucking furious. And I will be too if half the games end up on fucking Foxtel or Optus or something. Thank god for the anti-siphoning list.
And I guarantee you the next one will be piss weak.
Remember anderson scratching at the ball like Philander did? Nothing came of that. Umpires even gave it the okay to placate things.
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https://news.sky.com/story/devastat...steve-smith-cries-at-news-conference-11307929
What a shitty and sad situation.
What a shitty and sad situation.
Sad and hard to watch. Hope he makes a proper comeback a year from now.
My feelings as well. I really like that about the Aussie sporting mentality. I think the punishment handed down from this will definitely send a message to anyone else contemplating the same.
Was Warner really that disliked? I mean before all this. I know he was a bit of a hothead and a jerk in the past, but he seemed to have settled down after wife/kid and seemed solid generally. I liked him well enough from what I saw anyway. Haven't followed cricket as closely as before since moving to England, though.
Yeah. When I thought it was only going to be a one game suspension or some other slap on the wrist I was pretty disappointed, but this seems about right. Harsh, but right. What they did wasn't anything much for some, but it seems to have done some serious damage to the sport's image/integrity, so I think it's fair. This will stay with Warner and Smith for the rest of their careers, but they deserve another chance to come back from it (if anyone's willing to have them).
:( Man, that hits me. Like, I'm glad they're really stamping down on this thing, but it's painful to see someone so destroyed, especially if it's true that he was mostly just covering for Warner. I really liked Smith and I hope he's able to get some of the respect back eventually and return properly.
Did he do something particular, or was it just his general attitude? Sorry if this is obvious stuff. I really feel out of the loop these days...
Just general attitude. He pretty much epitomises everything that's been wrong with Australian cricket for the last 20 years. Rude, obnoxious, a sore loser and an even worse winner. No grace in victory and no humility.
Just watched the vid of the press conference with Smith breaking down and i do feel for the guy. He seems pretty regretful and obviously loves the game. It just baffles me why he would do it in the first place, hes a top player, captain in a top team. Why cheat? Is it cos basically every (or at least most) teams do something similar and so its wasn't considered such a big deal?
So currently I have a plan with Verizon but they've told me I'll be getting a rate increase. Anyone know Cricket's reliability compared to the major carriers?
Apparently, the spirit of Cricket has been irrepairably broken after some nasty tampering by a couple of Aussie hooligans.
I've usually found it is very dependent on the weather. A little bit of rain and everyone goes inside. Also, make sure to get a good case for you phone so that it doesn't get damaged by any sandpaper you may have in your pocket.
(This isn't the phone service thread...)