If Project Cars is anything to go by. People would die at Eau Rouge with DRS on.
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FIA Formula One 2018 |OT| Halo: Racing Evolved
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If Project Cars is anything to go by. People would die at Eau Rouge with DRS on.
Lol, in Project Cars 1 everytime I activated DRS in a Formula Renault 3.5 at Blanchimont, the car would blowover.
Yeah.
What they ARE bad for, is seeing who the fuck is driving the car from a lot of views, haha. Luckily there is enough other ways to tell, but it still sucks not being able to see their helmets as much.
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That's not true, I found at least three dozen power moons.
OK, this is great!
Just to be sure, Motosport TV requires a different [paid] sub? Still no way to watch Flying Lap for free?
Damn I liked Force India, they have been doing a good job consistently the last years often being the best of the mid-field.
Sad for FI. It would look horrible for F1 if they go under.
Lol, Williams is salty. I've grown to hate them over the last few years.
Lol, Williams is salty. I've grown to hate them over the last few years.
If they go down, it would have been a double or nothing scenario. Which I appreciate. Sad though, but they will be picked up by someone.
Btw, it's Aston Martin, Red Bull will pick Honda everybody happy.
You should watch the frank Williams and Williams grand prix (one in same really) biography on Netflix. Its....enlightening. let's just say you'll be even less of a fan than you are now
Read somewhere that the BWT sponsorship was only worth $8m, don't quote me on that though.
Remember when Force India blocked Marussia's comeback? Now a Williams vote could effectively kill Force India.
What goes around comes around.
What goes around comes around.
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How do you know those deals are decent? All you know is they have some sponsors on the car. I've always figured FI was dirt cheap given how many names are on that car compared to everybody else.
That's really sad to hear, Force India has been a team that does a lot with fewer for a long time now.
It would suck to see them go, lose another two drivers and have the grid shrink again.
Should really be the opposite, more teams, more drivers, not a constant battle for survival...
Between Haas, Sauber, McLaren and Force India, you can see how much the sponsorships have dropped F1, less and less sponsors to be seen on cars, it's sad..
It would suck to see them go, lose another two drivers and have the grid shrink again.
Should really be the opposite, more teams, more drivers, not a constant battle for survival...
Between Haas, Sauber, McLaren and Force India, you can see how much the sponsorships have dropped F1, less and less sponsors to be seen on cars, it's sad..
That would be a sweet deal for BWT if true. Force India has been recognized as the best rookie/small team in the past two years and they even changed their colors to accomodate for the new sponsor.
Changing the car colour AND putting huge logos on for $8m is madness.
When you look at all of the empty space on F1 cars, clearly the price they're asking of sponsors is too high. I could understand if a team was light on sponsors one year because they couldn't come to an arrangement within a certain time frame, but with blank spaces on cars year after year, you have to say that the sponsorship market is sending a clear message.
Yeah poor word choice on my part, I meant it more like a small team compared to the top three. :)
It's apparent every team that is not a manufacturer or has another business backing the F1 team like Red Bull Toro Rosso is struggling financially in this F1. It's reasonable to think the problem is the sport rather than assuming Force India, Williams, Sauber and to an extent McLaren and Haas are not capable of inking at least decent sponsorship deals.
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Is it though?
Every other team has at least half the sponsors on the car than Force India. So that means one of two things. 1. Force India is somehow much better at getting sponsors than other teams, or is somehow much more appealing to sponsor than any other team on the grid. Or 2. Force India is cheaper to advertise on and as such a better choice than sponsoring one of the other teams.
And then there's the Mallya factor. A man with a questionable past as far as legitimate business deals go. Has tons of money, and bankrolls the entire team for years. Has his accounts frozen late last year, less than six months later -even though there have been no big shifts in the team income or the sponsors displayed on the car- Force India is suddenly in dire need of money to the point where they'll be bankrupt within a month if they don't find a lifeline.
I think in this case, blaming "the sport" for this would not be my default position.
You're not wrong. Historically they've always managed to punch above their weight. Losing them in F1 would be a major loss.
The cynic inside me thinks Williams might be vetoing this to get a shot at another Merc engine discount..
I really don't think these two options you make up are as clear cut and I haven't seen a source with F1 sponsor revenues per team so we can't compare anything. What I was saying is a problem is that teams that are in the business of being only an F1 team struggle financially. FI is a rather successful team and they shouldn't be struggling. Sauber has become a bottom of the barrel team and is kept afloat as Alfa Romeo, Williams sold their souls to pay drivers to stay alive... Are they all missmanaged or there's a broader problem?
The sport needs to be sustainable, running teams has to be massively cheaper. Simplifying aero and engine design would do wonders for competition, spectacle, keeping teams in the sport and attracting new ones as well as sponsors.
They're in direct competition with Force India and don't want them to suddenly get a $70m budget boost (or whatever the prize money was for their finish last year). It's pretty easy to see Williams' position.
And Force India pulled a similar trick to get some money from Marussia's failure. I'm sorry for the "low level" employees who may end their dream of working in Formula 1, but as for the managers and such... karma's a bitch.
edit, found the 2017 figures, details per team/sponsor/partner quoted for compaction
https://imgur.com/a/LCEux
in euros, sponsors then partners+price money(partners alone)
Mercedes : 112.5m + 385m (213m)
Ferrari: 216m + 257.5m (53.5m)
McLaren: 122m + 329.7m (217.7m)
RedBull: 220.5m + 209.1m (24.6m)
Renault: 54.2m + 216.95m (126.25m)
Williams: 39.1m + 150.2m (39.2m)
Force India: 50.6m + 94.45m (9.45m)
Toro Rosso: 56m + 68.3m (3.3m)
Haas: 50m + 67.8m (2.8m)
Sauber: 23.5m + 67.4m ( 10.8m)
old 2015 reference, published in 2016:
Team , Sponsors , Partners , FOM , Total
Red Bull Racing , €266m , €35.7m , €167m , €468.7m
Mercedes , €122m , €212.4m , €133m , €467.4m
McLaren Honda , €144.5m , €216.5m , €104m , €465m
Ferrari , €208.5 , €34.5m , €175m , €418m
Williams , €52.5m , €22.9m , €111m , €186.4m
Lotus , €69.5m , €13.6m , €56m , €139.1m
Toro Rosso , €68m , €9.4m , €60m , €137.4m
Force India , €49.5m , €12.2m , €68m , €129.7m
Sauber , €44m , €9.3m , €50m , €103.2m
Marussia , €500k , €32.5m , €50m , €83m
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