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Poodlestrike · Mar 20, 2018

Fine Ham Abounds said:
WTH is Carbot? These things look like something someone on reddit would post for brutal critiques. You can barely tell who half of these characters are because they've either managed to completely miss their personality or failed to incorporate enough of their actual design to be more than a blob with colors. I never thought I'd see something uglier than the Toon portraits.

Like look at this thing:

Took me 10 seconds to figure out this wasn't an ice cube with a tail flashing it's asshole. These things make Funko figures look good.

Is that supposed to be... Probius?

Wao.

Deleted member 1190 · Mar 20, 2018

Fine Ham Abounds said:
WTH is Carbot? These things look like something someone on reddit would post for brutal critiques. You can barely tell who half of these characters are because they've either managed to completely miss their personality or failed to incorporate enough of their actual design to be more than a blob with colors. I never thought I'd see something uglier than the Toon portraits.

Like look at this thing:

Took me 10 seconds to figure out this wasn't an ice cube with a tail flashing it's asshole. These things make Funko figures look good.

Carbot is the group behind HeroStorm

Mayordolo · Mar 20, 2018

Fine Ham Abounds said:
Took me 10 seconds to figure out this wasn't an ice cube with a tail flashing it's asshole. These things make Funko figures look good.

You may have actually taken the cake from Ketch for the most get off my lawn post in history.

Have you never seen the HeroStorm shorts? That would help. And yeah, some aren't great, but some (like the one in my avatar) are easily recognizable and good. Like with anything.

scabobbs · Mar 20, 2018

HobbesTheTiger said:
Read a post about a GM that's used to be a support main that finally gave up because of the big nerfs to supports at the beginning of the year to get rid of double support meta (no wave clear, less damage, less healing for more "impactful" heals) and he switched to DPS now. Now i'm Not GM (mid-high plat) but i've Also been really frustrated at maining support in HL lately and think i'm Giving up this season as well and will only fill when necessary. Before with a lot of supports you could make up the difference for what was lacking on your team or where the weak link was (you could have decent to good wave clear if you had to solo a lane for a moment or go catch soak or you could make up some DPS or CC or even jungle camps) but now you are literally relegated to babysitting and having your only contribution be to team fights.

Any suggestions for reliable/best DPS or solo landers to "get gud" with for HL right now? I had moved to Tracer and greymane but greymane got nerfed and looks like tracer is as well. Now a days I mostly just pick Sonya if I am first or second pick

First I'd say that maining support is still completely viable as supports continue to be an integral role of any team comp.

Heroes to carry with in solo lane are Sonya, Blaze, Zagara, and Malthael.

Assassin picks: Chromie, Genji, Thrall, Maiev, Hanzo.

HobbesTheTiger · Mar 21, 2018

Yeah i'll Still volunteer support when everyone else insta-shows their assassin's, just expressing how I feel completely worthless when not in a team fight. Just doesn't feel as fun anymore to play support.

scabobbs · Mar 21, 2018

Well the point of supporting is to always be with the team so you should feel kind of worthless alone. If you want to be alone then ya I'd guess play the solo lane every match.

Schreckstoff · Mar 21, 2018

I don't play a lot of supports but I basically never feel useless playing Lucio, not even when I'm soaking a lane by myself.

scabobbs · Mar 21, 2018

Ya supports are very impactful right now. Malfurion and Stukov in particular are insane playmakers

Fancolours · Mar 21, 2018

Lúcio has irreparably ruined me. Every other support feels so boring to play now.

Poodlestrike · Mar 21, 2018

Fancolours said:
Lúcio has irreparably ruined me. Every other support feels so boring to play now.

Lol, I was just playing a game with a friend who would *not* stop complaining about how boring he thought Lucio was to play (admittedly it was the brawl so that might have influenced stuff). What's your tips?

Schreckstoff · Mar 21, 2018

Poodlestrike said:
Lol, I was just playing a game with a friend who would *not* stop complaining about how boring he thought Lucio was to play (admittedly it was the brawl so that might have influenced stuff). What's your tips?

Be aggressive. Lucio can be very forward and is great at securing kills and disrupting retreats.

Unless you're playing against a Diablo position so you can keep up accelerando and the armor from wallride at 13 near constant.

The times you need to speed out or heal is a learning curve, don't default to healing just cause people are low. You're "healing" more if you get people out of range of stuns and other skillshots.

You can pop sound barrier while you're still on the way to whomever you want to save as the wind up is considerably long.

Q is very, very good, it can stop channelled ults like mosh and even a lot of tanks engage and disengages. Like Mura ETC and Blaze. Just boop them. Another thing it can do is push mercs into tower/fort range to speed up the clear.

I was of the same opinion regarding Lucio, nothing I did seemed to matter until he just clicked with me.

Fancolours · Mar 21, 2018

https://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blo...m-balance-patch-notes-march-21-2018-3-21-2018

Some sensible nerfs to Maiev and Graymane

Poodlestrike said:
Lol, I was just playing a game with a friend who would *not* stop complaining about how boring he thought Lucio was to play (admittedly it was the brawl so that might have influenced stuff). What's your tips?

All of the above.

I would also add that the sustained damage his AA provides is very good. It won't burst anyone down but it makes a huge difference on squishies and any chase. Because of his constant sustain, it basically allows him to trade tiny blows with anyone on the lane.

Lúcio is at his best when he enables more aggressive plays.

ScrubnMuhTub · Mar 22, 2018

Fancolours said:
Every other support feels so boring to play now.

Stukov and Malfurion have insane play-making potential. I personally find Stukov to be very exciting to play, particularly once you pick up Virulent Strain at 13 and start hammering roots in your silence. Hng.

Kelanflyter · Mar 22, 2018

Poodlestrike said:
What's everybody's favorite "just for fun" QP team comp?

Friends and I ran a couple of games as a Teamwork Makes the Meme Work team - Abathur, Cho'Gall, Murky, and Lost Vikings. Was a ton of fun. Didn't lose once, either.

Full Healer was very strong Last Year, but less efficient now.

Full Tank should still be viable (but need to choose tanks carefully, it needs tanks with auto sustain and control like Diablo, Muradin, Dehaka...)
Full Specialist could work too.

zoukka · Mar 22, 2018

usual ranked games for me: team picks 3 assassins and 1 tank, someone in the chat says we need 2 tanks or our backline gets deleted -> backline gets deleted all game long and the assassins blame whoever happened to not be next to them when they died.

Kelanflyter · Mar 23, 2018

Did Maiev Really needed a new Nerf ?
I find her already pretty weak...

I just don't understand the nerf, she's one of my lowest (if not the lowest) winrate of all the characters.

Schreckstoff · Mar 23, 2018

Kelanflyter said:
Did Maiev Really needed a new Nerf ?
I find her already pretty weak...

I just don't understand the nerf, she's one of my lowest (if not the lowest) winrate of all the characters.

Maiev was the 8th most winningest hero in the game this week, while being by far the most popular hero.

scabobbs · Mar 23, 2018

Kelanflyter said:
Did Maiev Really needed a new Nerf ?
I find her already pretty weak...

I just don't understand the nerf, she's one of my lowest (if not the lowest) winrate of all the characters.

Where are you getting this info? She's been in the top 10 since release, even after her last batch of nerfs. She was also an absolute force in HGC, which may have had something to do with them tuning her down even more.

Kelanflyter · Mar 23, 2018

It s MY lowest winrate

But i Play only in solo qm.
So lots of games without healer or without tank, or no follow

Winrate should be higher in tl or team qm

scabobbs · Mar 23, 2018

Kelanflyter said:
It s MY lowest winrate

But i Play only in solo qm.
So lots of games without healer or without tank, or no follow

Winrate should be higher in tl or team qm

Well I hate to say it but maybe you're just not as good at the hero as the rest of the population. It happens. She's considered very very strong in diamond and above.

Fancolours · Mar 23, 2018

So did Brawl just become a bunch of ARAMs?

scabobbs · Mar 23, 2018

Fancolours said:
So did Brawl just become a bunch of ARAMs?

Thank god

Poodlestrike · Mar 23, 2018

Fancolours said:
So did Brawl just become a bunch of ARAMs?

Beats the hell out of stuff like that All-Chromie pool party or the go karting or most of the other really weird brawls, tbh.

scabobbs · Mar 24, 2018

First two ARAMs I have to face Chromie. Didn't go well.

Orochinagis · Mar 24, 2018

Fenix next week, yes?

Schreckstoff · Mar 24, 2018

Yes. Hyped

Poodlestrike · Mar 24, 2018

Double Jaina in ARAM is fucking hilarious. They share the Chill effects, the combos are nuts.

Fancolours · Mar 24, 2018

I was fortunate enough to get Medivh from a chest.

He's real fun. I underestimated how much damage he can do with Q and W in a teamfight.

scabobbs · Mar 25, 2018

Fancolours said:
I was fortunate enough to get Medivh from a chest.

He's real fun. I underestimated how much damage he can do with Q and W in a teamfight.

It might be time to finally learn Medivh.

Schreckstoff · Mar 25, 2018

scabobbs said:
It might be time to finally learn Medivh.

do it, it's amazing to jump onto your carry W you both then nuke people w/ the explosion. Absolutely broken too.

Fancolours · Mar 25, 2018

The thing about his W is that it works both as a kill denier and a direct punishment to any melee assassin that tries to burst your teammate.

It can also be used to clear camps much faster, and is a godsend on chokes once you get his multi shield talent. I was literally doing more damage than Hammer and Valla because of it and I remember it once melting nearly half of Etc's life because he powerslid against four shields.

The only reason why I'm not using him much on HL is because I need to fill as a healer, but he's always a very welcome addition against any burst heavy comp.

Orochinagis · Mar 25, 2018

Something that bugs me is why always you have to wait to reconnect to enter a match, like you are time traveling all your bot did and wait extra time to join the match.

Deleted member 1190 · Mar 25, 2018

Orochinagis said:
Something that bugs me is why always you have to wait to reconnect to enter a match, like you are time traveling all your bot did and wait extra time to join the match.

An unfortunate hold over from the SC2 engine they used as the base for this game.

scabobbs · Mar 25, 2018

Orochinagis said:
Something that bugs me is why always you have to wait to reconnect to enter a match, like you are time traveling all your bot did and wait extra time to join the match.

That's what happens when you build your new game on a decade-old engine like a buncha idiots. Unfortunately this will never change and we'll also never be able to spectate friends games... sucks.

Mobius and Pet Octopus · Mar 26, 2018

I remember HOTS was originally intended to be a custom map thing for SC2. So yeah it's not surprising they didn't change engines even after they decided to go bigger standalone with it.

Fancolours · Mar 26, 2018

Fun Medivh factoid: You can guarantee baby D.va gets polymorphed as soon as she leaves her mech if you use the ulti on it because it counts as two different units.

Orochinagis · Mar 27, 2018

No Carbot Auriel? you are dead to me Carbot

Fancolours · Mar 27, 2018

So far new Varian feels more or less the same, but with his huge power spike at 4 with his Parry and Taunt build, although maybe it would be better to take his Q quest now.

And that Tracer nerf really hurt her, she can't be as careless with blinks and the bomb isn't killing as much as it did before.

Li Li is still Li Li.

scabobbs · Mar 27, 2018

I think they overdid it on Varian's HP nerfs. Its suicide to take anything but Taunt.

Orochinagis · Mar 27, 2018

Fenix AA reminds me why I love pilot Dva a lot, Feniz is insane if you let her land AAs let alone his Q and his ult

scabobbs · Mar 27, 2018

He seems to do a LOT of damage. Poor Raynor.

Schreckstoff · Mar 27, 2018

Fenix is gonna get a couple rounds of nerfs too. The really need to stop overtuning these heroes at release.

Fancolours · Mar 27, 2018

Varian's base HP should probably be around 2000

scabobbs · Mar 27, 2018

Schreckstoff said:
Fenix is gonna get a couple rounds of nerfs too. The really need to stop overtuning these heroes at release.

idk i enjoy it. I can tell you i really hate when heroes are bad at launch, kills the hype almost immediately. Also Blaze was basically perfectly balanced at launch.

Schreckstoff · Mar 27, 2018

scabobbs said:
idk i enjoy it. I can tell you i really hate when heroes are bad at launch, kills the hype almost immediately. Also Blaze was basically perfectly balanced at launch.

They did end up having to nerf bunker and it's arguably still too strong. I'm not saying to make them bad but looking at maiev I enjoy her just as much now and she's been tuned way way down to her release state and yet is still very strong.

Poodlestrike · Mar 28, 2018

Fenix' damage is RIDICULOUS and he combos stupid well with Auriel but he doesn't seem busted, yet. He's got the teleport escape, but it's fairly short range and he's otherwise slow and fragile enough that he can get focused down fairly easily.

scabobbs · Mar 28, 2018

He also has a HUGE hit box, which not enough people are realizing. It's very easy to hit skillshots on him.

Fancolours · Mar 28, 2018

Conclusion after 10 or so QMs with Varian: Taunt build is still super viable, everything else kinda sucks on him

He totally heals way more than the HP reduction he's received with Q talents. A sensible change to make his other builds still viable would be to reduce a little bit of healing from Q and up his base HP.

Orochinagis · Mar 28, 2018

Fenix Blaster Blaster Blaster Canon combo is hilarious at low level

Kirblar · Mar 28, 2018

They are most definitely overtuning on purpose now w/ new heroes so they show up in pro play. It's not an accident.

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